I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
See what I mean?
If we were talking about decent human beings, I would afford at least a modicum of respect. We aren't though... so they get none.
You wanna know something somewhat interesting? Besides my dad and brother who have gone full on shit in their pants crazy like some people here, i am one of the most outspoken anti-trump people in my daily life. I mean, there are a lot of people that don’t like trump but seem to scared to mention his bullshit in public or work settings. I just call it like I see it. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right. But I don’t get making fun of melanias eyes. I wonder if she was Asian if that be ok?
And anymore on AMT if you don’t call trump names and mock his and his famiy’s appearance etc then of course you must be a trump supporter. Get the fuck out of here.
When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
See what I mean?
If we were talking about decent human beings, I would afford at least a modicum of respect. We aren't though... so they get none.
You wanna know something somewhat interesting? Besides my dad and brother who have gone full on shit in their pants crazy like some people here, i am one of the most outspoken anti-trump people in my daily life. I mean, there are a lot of people that don’t like trump but seem to scared to mention his bullshit in public or work settings. I just call it like I see it. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right. But I don’t get making fun of melanias eyes. I wonder if she was Asian if that be ok?
And anymore on AMT if you don’t call trump names and mock his and his famiy’s appearance etc then of course you must be a trump supporter. Get the fuck out of here.
When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
Great post. Concerning the part I bolded, I also make that argument against Hillary. And yes, I have been assumed to be a Trump-supporter when I trash Hillary. Not necessarily here, but in conversations elsewhere. But I'm actually very much like Cincy. I just hate partisanship.
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Sure, and that cuts both ways: Poor Melania vs. enabling Hillary, etc.
I would say that mocking someone's appearance generally is not cool, regardless of gender. I make an exception for amoral bloviators who use their public bullhorns to mock the appearance of women and make fun of disabled individuals. To me, it's similar to outing people: it's never okay to out someone -- unless they are using their power to aggressively persecute other queer people.
So I won't make fun of Melania's looks -- or Sarah Sanders's, etc. But when Agent Orange devotes his energy to mocking women's looks, getting weird orange spray tans, and to writing dubious "letters" from his "doctor" about how amazingly healthy and virile he is, instead of doing his damn job, well, he's fair game.
And I agree that partisanship is problematic. It's important for both sides to leave the echo chamber. I'm not talking about the Fox News "fair and balanced" BS. I'm talking about checking your own beliefs and testing them against the writings of respected, principled "thought leaders" from the other side of the political spectrum and applying, as you said, the test of "How would I feel if the tables were turned?"
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All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
See what I mean?
If we were talking about decent human beings, I would afford at least a modicum of respect. We aren't though... so they get none.
You wanna know something somewhat interesting? Besides my dad and brother who have gone full on shit in their pants crazy like some people here, i am one of the most outspoken anti-trump people in my daily life. I mean, there are a lot of people that don’t like trump but seem to scared to mention his bullshit in public or work settings. I just call it like I see it. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right. But I don’t get making fun of melanias eyes. I wonder if she was Asian if that be ok?
And anymore on AMT if you don’t call trump names and mock his and his famiy’s appearance etc then of course you must be a trump supporter. Get the fuck out of here.
When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
While I generally agree that we take too many digs at too many superficial things, I'm not on board with this whole "elitist" shtick. Sure, if we make fun of Trump for having TP on his shoe, they can do that...it's lower-hanging fruit. But if it wasn't that, it would be that we're awful for supporting abortion, or for being anti-business (i.e., pro-environment). Hell, if we didn't mock stuff like that, we'd be roasting him for his attitude toward people like McRaven (which is absolutely substantive) and the right would still be calling us elitists. It's a giant clusterfuck of hate and this nonsense about "elitism" seems like a distraction, at the most. So part of what I say is a bit of a whataboutism; I can't believe I have to say it on this board but "the right is just as bad" (I'd argue worse, but whatever)
You won't see me take many shots at Trump for being Orange or fat, at his sons for looking like Bevis and Butthead, at his wife for the circumstances of their marriage, etc. (in fact, this sentence is the worst I've done) because I do believe that takes our eyes off of the actual ball. And I do think it can tarnish the message. In fact, Steven Colbert a couple of years ago had a great monologue about Trump...but what did people remember? Drumph. That ended up being the takeaway and it was too bad. So I tend to agree that sticking with substance (which does not have to be pure policy; this includes disrespectful intangibles such as throwing paper towels and mocking war heros) is better.
On the other hand, I tend to let it go when I see it because why get bogged down in the minutiae of that stuff? If people want to amuse themselves by laughing at this guy or even his wife, so be it. It's OK to just move on and let that go.
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I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
See what I mean?
If we were talking about decent human beings, I would afford at least a modicum of respect. We aren't though... so they get none.
You wanna know something somewhat interesting? Besides my dad and brother who have gone full on shit in their pants crazy like some people here, i am one of the most outspoken anti-trump people in my daily life. I mean, there are a lot of people that don’t like trump but seem to scared to mention his bullshit in public or work settings. I just call it like I see it. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right. But I don’t get making fun of melanias eyes. I wonder if she was Asian if that be ok?
And anymore on AMT if you don’t call trump names and mock his and his famiy’s appearance etc then of course you must be a trump supporter. Get the fuck out of here.
When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
While I generally agree that we take too many digs at too many superficial things, I'm not on board with this whole "elitist" shtick. Sure, if we make fun of Trump for having TP on his shoe, they can do that...it's lower-hanging fruit. But if it wasn't that, it would be that we're awful for supporting abortion, or for being anti-business (i.e., pro-environment). Hell, if we didn't mock stuff like that, we'd be roasting him for his attitude toward people like McRaven (which is absolutely substantive) and the right would still be calling us elitists. It's a giant clusterfuck of hate and this nonsense about "elitism" seems like a distraction, at the most. So part of what I say is a bit of a whataboutism; I can't believe I have to say it on this board but "the right is just as bad" (I'd argue worse, but whatever)
You won't see me take many shots at Trump for being Orange or fat, at his sons for looking like Bevis and Butthead, at his wife for the circumstances of their marriage, etc. (in fact, this sentence is the worst I've done) because I do believe that takes our eyes off of the actual ball. And I do think it can tarnish the message. In fact, Steven Colbert a couple of years ago had a great monologue about Trump...but what did people remember? Drumph. That ended up being the takeaway and it was too bad. So I tend to agree that sticking with substance (which does not have to be pure policy; this includes disrespectful intangibles such as throwing paper towels and mocking war heros)
On the other hand, I tend to let it go when I see it because why get bogged down in the minutiae of that stuff? If people want to amuse themselves by laughing at this guy or even his wife, so be it. It's OK to just move on and let that go.
I think the "elitist" tag comes from anti-Trump people looking down there noses and insulting people that are pro-Trump. I saw a lot of that during the Bush years too: Anti-Bush people suggesting that everyone that voted for him or supports him is an idiot. We're seeing that tenfold with Trump. Strangely, I didn't hear or see much of it during the Obama years. Not to say that conservatives didn't hate him because they sure did. But they didn't seem to take their hatred of Obama out on his supporters. I'm sure some did. But it's nothing like the venom that Bush and Trump supporters have had spewed at them. And before anyone says "Well look at all the crap Trump spews," I say then spew it back at him and his administration. Not someone that voted for him,.
is saying Melania looks like she is bending spoons with her mind really "mocking her appearance"? With those photos, politics aside, I would chuckle.
By choice, probably out of greed, she is also married to a bully who says much worse about people far more innocent than Melania Trump.
I have felt bad for her at times. During the campaign, it looked like she wanted to be doing anything else and just wanted it to end. Trump's public oafishness and infidelity aired out. Humiliating. She has kind of made this bed. I do feel bad for Barron Trump. No idea what kind of upbringing he is experiencing. Does anyone think his dad talks to him regularly?
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
See what I mean?
If we were talking about decent human beings, I would afford at least a modicum of respect. We aren't though... so they get none.
You wanna know something somewhat interesting? Besides my dad and brother who have gone full on shit in their pants crazy like some people here, i am one of the most outspoken anti-trump people in my daily life. I mean, there are a lot of people that don’t like trump but seem to scared to mention his bullshit in public or work settings. I just call it like I see it. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right. But I don’t get making fun of melanias eyes. I wonder if she was Asian if that be ok?
And anymore on AMT if you don’t call trump names and mock his and his famiy’s appearance etc then of course you must be a trump supporter. Get the fuck out of here.
When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
While I generally agree that we take too many digs at too many superficial things, I'm not on board with this whole "elitist" shtick. Sure, if we make fun of Trump for having TP on his shoe, they can do that...it's lower-hanging fruit. But if it wasn't that, it would be that we're awful for supporting abortion, or for being anti-business (i.e., pro-environment). Hell, if we didn't mock stuff like that, we'd be roasting him for his attitude toward people like McRaven (which is absolutely substantive) and the right would still be calling us elitists. It's a giant clusterfuck of hate and this nonsense about "elitism" seems like a distraction, at the most. So part of what I say is a bit of a whataboutism; I can't believe I have to say it on this board but "the right is just as bad" (I'd argue worse, but whatever)
You won't see me take many shots at Trump for being Orange or fat, at his sons for looking like Bevis and Butthead, at his wife for the circumstances of their marriage, etc. (in fact, this sentence is the worst I've done) because I do believe that takes our eyes off of the actual ball. And I do think it can tarnish the message. In fact, Steven Colbert a couple of years ago had a great monologue about Trump...but what did people remember? Drumph. That ended up being the takeaway and it was too bad. So I tend to agree that sticking with substance (which does not have to be pure policy; this includes disrespectful intangibles such as throwing paper towels and mocking war heros)
On the other hand, I tend to let it go when I see it because why get bogged down in the minutiae of that stuff? If people want to amuse themselves by laughing at this guy or even his wife, so be it. It's OK to just move on and let that go.
I think the "elitist" tag comes from anti-Trump people looking down there noses and insulting people that are pro-Trump. I saw a lot of that during the Bush years too: Anti-Bush people suggesting that everyone that voted for him or supports him is an idiot. We're seeing that tenfold with Trump. Strangely, I didn't hear or see much of it during the Obama years. Not to say that conservatives didn't hate him because they sure did. But they didn't seem to take their hatred of Obama out on his supporters. I'm sure some did. But it's nothing like the venom that Bush and Trump supporters have had spewed at them. And before anyone says "Well look at all the crap Trump spews," I say then spew it back at him and his administration. Not someone that voted for him,.
Scour the internet for a while and tell me how often "liberal" is used a a pejorative and how often "conservative" is...it's not even close and wasn't during the Obama years, either. To what degree the President's name is used with the hate is neither here nor there. The vilification from right-to-left outside of echo chambers is more common and more vial. Maybe we need to come up with a catch-term to parallel "elitist." I'd say "anti-elitst" but that would make me "elitist" and we'd be spinning in circles.
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It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
See what I mean?
If we were talking about decent human beings, I would afford at least a modicum of respect. We aren't though... so they get none.
You wanna know something somewhat interesting? Besides my dad and brother who have gone full on shit in their pants crazy like some people here, i am one of the most outspoken anti-trump people in my daily life. I mean, there are a lot of people that don’t like trump but seem to scared to mention his bullshit in public or work settings. I just call it like I see it. Sometimes I’m wrong, sometimes I’m right. But I don’t get making fun of melanias eyes. I wonder if she was Asian if that be ok?
And anymore on AMT if you don’t call trump names and mock his and his famiy’s appearance etc then of course you must be a trump supporter. Get the fuck out of here.
When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
While I generally agree that we take too many digs at too many superficial things, I'm not on board with this whole "elitist" shtick. Sure, if we make fun of Trump for having TP on his shoe, they can do that...it's lower-hanging fruit. But if it wasn't that, it would be that we're awful for supporting abortion, or for being anti-business (i.e., pro-environment). Hell, if we didn't mock stuff like that, we'd be roasting him for his attitude toward people like McRaven (which is absolutely substantive) and the right would still be calling us elitists. It's a giant clusterfuck of hate and this nonsense about "elitism" seems like a distraction, at the most. So part of what I say is a bit of a whataboutism; I can't believe I have to say it on this board but "the right is just as bad" (I'd argue worse, but whatever)
You won't see me take many shots at Trump for being Orange or fat, at his sons for looking like Bevis and Butthead, at his wife for the circumstances of their marriage, etc. (in fact, this sentence is the worst I've done) because I do believe that takes our eyes off of the actual ball. And I do think it can tarnish the message. In fact, Steven Colbert a couple of years ago had a great monologue about Trump...but what did people remember? Drumph. That ended up being the takeaway and it was too bad. So I tend to agree that sticking with substance (which does not have to be pure policy; this includes disrespectful intangibles such as throwing paper towels and mocking war heros)
On the other hand, I tend to let it go when I see it because why get bogged down in the minutiae of that stuff? If people want to amuse themselves by laughing at this guy or even his wife, so be it. It's OK to just move on and let that go.
I think the "elitist" tag comes from anti-Trump people looking down there noses and insulting people that are pro-Trump. I saw a lot of that during the Bush years too: Anti-Bush people suggesting that everyone that voted for him or supports him is an idiot. We're seeing that tenfold with Trump. Strangely, I didn't hear or see much of it during the Obama years. Not to say that conservatives didn't hate him because they sure did. But they didn't seem to take their hatred of Obama out on his supporters. I'm sure some did. But it's nothing like the venom that Bush and Trump supporters have had spewed at them. And before anyone says "Well look at all the crap Trump spews," I say then spew it back at him and his administration. Not someone that voted for him,.
Scour the internet for a while and tell me how often "liberal" is used a a pejorative and how often "conservative" is...it's not even close and wasn't during the Obama years, either. To what degree the President's name is used with the hate is neither here nor there. The vilification from right-to-left outside of echo chambers is more common and more vial. Maybe we need to come up with a catch-term to parallel "elitist." I'd say "anti-elitst" but that would make me "elitist" and we'd be spinning in circles.
I don't need to scour the internet for that. I noticed it in mid-term campaign ads. I saw one ad for the republican candidate where the narrator says of his opponent "He was a lobbyist for six years....and a life-time liberal." The GOP has done a good job of toxifying the word "liberal." I wouldn't call this vile. I think it's good political strategy. I saw many ads where the republican candidate proudly proclaimed he's a "conservative," but none of the democrat ads I saw mentioned the word "liberal."
It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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the point is that criticizing the right for mocking others by mocking them is hypocritical.
It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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Then these guys that rail against the elites and vote for the worst kind of elitist, Trump.
I prefer to be led by self made elitists, like the ones you mentioned.
Dandruff Bernie... weak Hillary can't even get up the stairs... Hillary took a poo before the debates... etc.
Come on. When you wrestle with pigs... you get dirty.
And nobody is taking their eye of the ball when poking fun at a regime that makes it impossible not to poke fun at. This stuff is just 'side stuff' for shits and giggles. We've all got time to laugh at Trump for everything we can laugh at him for including his physicality: he said his body is better than Tom Brady so he's confident (he can handle it) and it's par for the course given who he's mocked with the microphone in hand.
It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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the point is that criticizing the right for mocking others by mocking them is hypocritical.
Okay, you focus on that while I mock their continued stupidity on a whole host of substantive policy matters.
When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
While I generally agree that we take too many digs at too many superficial things, I'm not on board with this whole "elitist" shtick. Sure, if we make fun of Trump for having TP on his shoe, they can do that...it's lower-hanging fruit. But if it wasn't that, it would be that we're awful for supporting abortion, or for being anti-business (i.e., pro-environment). Hell, if we didn't mock stuff like that, we'd be roasting him for his attitude toward people like McRaven (which is absolutely substantive) and the right would still be calling us elitists. It's a giant clusterfuck of hate and this nonsense about "elitism" seems like a distraction, at the most. So part of what I say is a bit of a whataboutism; I can't believe I have to say it on this board but "the right is just as bad" (I'd argue worse, but whatever)
You won't see me take many shots at Trump for being Orange or fat, at his sons for looking like Bevis and Butthead, at his wife for the circumstances of their marriage, etc. (in fact, this sentence is the worst I've done) because I do believe that takes our eyes off of the actual ball. And I do think it can tarnish the message. In fact, Steven Colbert a couple of years ago had a great monologue about Trump...but what did people remember? Drumph. That ended up being the takeaway and it was too bad. So I tend to agree that sticking with substance (which does not have to be pure policy; this includes disrespectful intangibles such as throwing paper towels and mocking war heros)
On the other hand, I tend to let it go when I see it because why get bogged down in the minutiae of that stuff? If people want to amuse themselves by laughing at this guy or even his wife, so be it. It's OK to just move on and let that go.
I think the "elitist" tag comes from anti-Trump people looking down there noses and insulting people that are pro-Trump. I saw a lot of that during the Bush years too: Anti-Bush people suggesting that everyone that voted for him or supports him is an idiot. We're seeing that tenfold with Trump. Strangely, I didn't hear or see much of it during the Obama years. Not to say that conservatives didn't hate him because they sure did. But they didn't seem to take their hatred of Obama out on his supporters. I'm sure some did. But it's nothing like the venom that Bush and Trump supporters have had spewed at them. And before anyone says "Well look at all the crap Trump spews," I say then spew it back at him and his administration. Not someone that voted for him,.
Scour the internet for a while and tell me how often "liberal" is used a a pejorative and how often "conservative" is...it's not even close and wasn't during the Obama years, either. To what degree the President's name is used with the hate is neither here nor there. The vilification from right-to-left outside of echo chambers is more common and more vial. Maybe we need to come up with a catch-term to parallel "elitist." I'd say "anti-elitst" but that would make me "elitist" and we'd be spinning in circles.
I don't need to scour the internet for that. I noticed it in mid-term campaign ads. I saw one ad for the republican candidate where the narrator says of his opponent "He was a lobbyist for six years....and a life-time liberal." The GOP has done a good job of toxifying the word "liberal." I wouldn't call this vile. I think it's good political strategy. I saw many ads where the republican candidate proudly proclaimed he's a "conservative," but none of the democrat ads I saw mentioned the word "liberal."
Apples and Oranges...you're comparing political ads to keyboard warriors. Look at their keyboard warriors...they're just like us. Obama was much less of a buffoon than W and Trump so mocking an "Obama voter" didn't resonate as well. But they do it by mocking libtards, cucks, beta-males, snowflakes, feminiazi, SJW, and whatever this new blank-face drawing is supposed to be. Pardon me for not feeling the need for calling out the insults from this crowd.
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When you make a habit of it... it certainly makes one think.
Thanks for clarifying that you don't support Trump despite the fact you do rush to 'support' him and his ilk often around here with significant frequency.
Trump and his foolish supporters are getting slammed with regularity for good reason- they've earned it. People don't wish to make their experience more pleasant or 'tolerable'. People wish to illustrate how absurd the entire experiment is.
Rake the forest. Hahahahahahaha. Do you wanna know something really interesting? That idiot isn't finished saying moronic things on an epic scale that will give the world decades of laughs. He can't help himself... he's a moron. And every time he opens his pursed lips atop his jaw thrust... he proves it.
Ladies and gentlemen... the President of the United States, Donald Trump!
Alpha male of the greatest country in the world!
to be fair, and I have butted heads with cincy several times recently, it has always been obvious to me he's not a trump supporter. he is a supporter of not being partisan. in the past, I have found myself going down the same road, not necessarily defending the person/group being attacked, but the hypocrisy behind it. I often find myself thinking "would (this poster) have the same reaction if this were obama or hillary or any other democrat?". If I perceive the answer to be no, I call it out, just as cincy is doing.
around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
While I generally agree that we take too many digs at too many superficial things, I'm not on board with this whole "elitist" shtick. Sure, if we make fun of Trump for having TP on his shoe, they can do that...it's lower-hanging fruit. But if it wasn't that, it would be that we're awful for supporting abortion, or for being anti-business (i.e., pro-environment). Hell, if we didn't mock stuff like that, we'd be roasting him for his attitude toward people like McRaven (which is absolutely substantive) and the right would still be calling us elitists. It's a giant clusterfuck of hate and this nonsense about "elitism" seems like a distraction, at the most. So part of what I say is a bit of a whataboutism; I can't believe I have to say it on this board but "the right is just as bad" (I'd argue worse, but whatever)
You won't see me take many shots at Trump for being Orange or fat, at his sons for looking like Bevis and Butthead, at his wife for the circumstances of their marriage, etc. (in fact, this sentence is the worst I've done) because I do believe that takes our eyes off of the actual ball. And I do think it can tarnish the message. In fact, Steven Colbert a couple of years ago had a great monologue about Trump...but what did people remember? Drumph. That ended up being the takeaway and it was too bad. So I tend to agree that sticking with substance (which does not have to be pure policy; this includes disrespectful intangibles such as throwing paper towels and mocking war heros)
On the other hand, I tend to let it go when I see it because why get bogged down in the minutiae of that stuff? If people want to amuse themselves by laughing at this guy or even his wife, so be it. It's OK to just move on and let that go.
I think the "elitist" tag comes from anti-Trump people looking down there noses and insulting people that are pro-Trump. I saw a lot of that during the Bush years too: Anti-Bush people suggesting that everyone that voted for him or supports him is an idiot. We're seeing that tenfold with Trump. Strangely, I didn't hear or see much of it during the Obama years. Not to say that conservatives didn't hate him because they sure did. But they didn't seem to take their hatred of Obama out on his supporters. I'm sure some did. But it's nothing like the venom that Bush and Trump supporters have had spewed at them. And before anyone says "Well look at all the crap Trump spews," I say then spew it back at him and his administration. Not someone that voted for him,.
Scour the internet for a while and tell me how often "liberal" is used a a pejorative and how often "conservative" is...it's not even close and wasn't during the Obama years, either. To what degree the President's name is used with the hate is neither here nor there. The vilification from right-to-left outside of echo chambers is more common and more vial. Maybe we need to come up with a catch-term to parallel "elitist." I'd say "anti-elitst" but that would make me "elitist" and we'd be spinning in circles.
I don't need to scour the internet for that. I noticed it in mid-term campaign ads. I saw one ad for the republican candidate where the narrator says of his opponent "He was a lobbyist for six years....and a life-time liberal." The GOP has done a good job of toxifying the word "liberal." I wouldn't call this vile. I think it's good political strategy. I saw many ads where the republican candidate proudly proclaimed he's a "conservative," but none of the democrat ads I saw mentioned the word "liberal."
Apples and Oranges...you're comparing political ads to keyboard warriors. Look at their keyboard warriors...they're just like us. Obama was much less of a buffoon than W and Trump so mocking an "Obama voter" didn't resonate as well. But they do it by mocking libtards, cucks, beta-males, snowflakes, feminiazi, SJW, and whatever this new blank-face drawing is supposed to be. Pardon me for not feeling the need for calling out the insults from this crowd.
I can give you some insight on the blank-face thing and it's the dumbest, most hypocritical thing you'll hear...today.
I had to look this up because I was like "What the fuck is this?" It's apparently "NPC" which stands for "non-playable character." It references video game characters that the player might interact with. But those non-playable characters you interact with have fixed dialogue, say what they're there to say, and that's it. The "joke" I guess is that they can't think for themselves. The hypocrisy is that everyone at a Trump rally chanting "lock her up" or whatever are the epitome of that.
It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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the point is that criticizing the right for mocking others by mocking them is hypocritical.
Okay, you focus on that while I mock their continued stupidity on a whole host of substantive policy matters.
I'm able to focus on more than one thing at a time, thanks.
Dandruff Bernie... weak Hillary can't even get up the stairs... Hillary took a poo before the debates... etc.
Come on. When you wrestle with pigs... you get dirty.
And nobody is taking their eye of the ball when poking fun at a regime that makes it impossible not to poke fun at. This stuff is just 'side stuff' for shits and giggles. We've all got time to laugh at Trump for everything we can laugh at him for including his physicality: he said his body is better than Tom Brady so he's confident (he can handle it) and it's par for the course given who he's mocked with the microphone in hand.
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It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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Then these guys that rail against the elites and vote for the worst kind of elitist, Trump.
I prefer to be led by self made elitists, like the ones you mentioned.
Sure, I remember Rick Santorum and Sarah Palin mocking "those elitists," with their "college educations." It was perplexing then and it is perplexing now. Husband and I both came from, as Ed would say, "real small." First-gen college student (me), public assistance, blue-collar families, etc.. We both went to those "elitist" schools, got pretty good educations. Worked hard. Ended up being pretty successful and comfortable, and I'm proud to say that my man has saved countless lives along the way.
We were the embodiment of the so-called "American Dream." And then we were slammed, by talking heads, Facebook "friends," and even family members, who knew how we make our money, for being "coastal elites." WTF? We got this from left and right, mind you -- from the folks in the red hats and from the Bernie bros.
I don't need anyone's pity, by the way. We're doing just fine. But, having come from a background very similar to that of current MAGA-heads, the conflicting messages cause us a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. And, frankly, we see a lot of victimhood, abdication of personal responsibility, and deflection in this behavior. That makes me sound like a conservative, doesn't it? But, look: we know we got to where we are through a combination of hard work and luck. We know other people worked hard and had bad luck (now I sound like a liberal!) and need a hand up. But we also know that there are plenty of people who sit around and complain about the rotten bastards who are better off than they are and the lazy scum who are worse off than they are, and when are they going to get what they deserve?
And that last group is eating up the message that Mexican members of ISIS (seriously, WTF?) are pouring into the country to steal everything good, white, "real" Americans still have left. Because it's always easy to blame someone else for your problems -- much easier than putting in the effort to solve your problems and make things better for yourself. But it does society as a whole no good to keep driving home this message; it merely fosters resentment. It doesn't improve the schools, or the roads, or healthcare. It doesn't given any of the people who feel left behind the skills and resources they need to make more opportunities for themselves. It just encourages whining, helplessness, and blaming the "other." Politicians are telling the MAGA crowd to keep shooting themselves in the foot, and they are all too eager to do so.
Which brings me to the "real America" bullshit. As Nate Silver pointed out yesterday, and as David Frum (conservative!) has noted repeatedly, the media need to stop relentlessly covering white people wearing trucker hats in rural diners as members of "real America." First of all, this country is too large and too diverse to be neatly summarized by any one trait or stereotype. Secondly, the Resistance is real, and it is huge. Avocado toast and yoga now are more "American," more popular, than John Deere hats. The media need to, as one commenter on Nate Silver's thread said, spend more time at PTA meetings and in Paneras; that's where they will find "real" America, such as it is.
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It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
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Then these guys that rail against the elites and vote for the worst kind of elitist, Trump.
I prefer to be led by self made elitists, like the ones you mentioned.
Sure, I remember Rick Santorum and Sarah Palin mocking "those elitists," with their "college educations." It was perplexing then and it is perplexing now. Husband and I both came from, as Ed would say, "real small." First-gen college student (me), public assistance, blue-collar families, etc.. We both went to those "elitist" schools, got pretty good educations. Worked hard. Ended up being pretty successful and comfortable, and I'm proud to say that my man has saved countless lives along the way.
We were the embodiment of the so-called "American Dream." And then we were slammed, by talking heads, Facebook "friends," and even family members, who knew how we make our money, for being "coastal elites." WTF? We got this from left and right, mind you -- from the folks in the red hats and from the Bernie bros.
I don't need anyone's pity, by the way. We're doing just fine. But, having come from a background very similar to that of current MAGA-heads, the conflicting messages cause us a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. And, frankly, we see a lot of victimhood, abdication of personal responsibility, and deflection in this behavior. That makes me sound like a conservative, doesn't it? But, look: we know we got to where we are through a combination of hard work and luck. We know other people worked hard and had bad luck (now I sound like a liberal!) and need a hand up. But we also know that there are plenty of people who sit around and complain about the rotten bastards who are better off than they are and the lazy scum who are worse off than they are, and when are they going to get what they deserve?
And that last group is eating up the message that Mexican members of ISIS (seriously, WTF?) are pouring into the country to steal everything good, white, "real" Americans still have left. Because it's always easy to blame someone else for your problems -- much easier than putting in the effort to solve your problems and make things better for yourself. But it does society as a whole no good to keep driving home this message; it merely fosters resentment. It doesn't improve the schools, or the roads, or healthcare. It doesn't given any of the people who feel left behind the skills and resources they need to make more opportunities for themselves. It just encourages whining, helplessness, and blaming the "other." Politicians are telling the MAGA crowd to keep shooting themselves in the foot, and they are all too eager to do so.
Which brings me to the "real America" bullshit. As Nate Silver pointed out yesterday, and as David Frum (conservative!) has noted repeatedly, the media need to stop relentlessly covering white people wearing trucker hats in rural diners as members of "real America." First of all, this country is too large and too diverse to be neatly summarized by any one trait or stereotype. Secondly, the Resistance is real, and it is huge. Avocado toast and yoga now are more "American," more popular, than John Deere hats. The media need to, as one commenter on Nate Silver's thread said, spend more time at PTA meetings and in Paneras; that's where they will find "real" America, such as it is.
Exactly. And the Dow dropped another 550 points today, wiping out all those fantastic gains that 50% of Americans were experiencing in Team Trump Treason’s economy. Just wait until the recession hits.
It’s quite amusing to read the last few posts, particularly when you remember how dem candidates, politicians, in general have been mocked and ridiculed for their educational achievements. Clintons, Bill for studying at Oxford, Hillary at Yale law, yet both came from middle class backgrounds and pulled themselves up to attain the level they did, so much for the repub mantra of work hard and do your best and you too can attain the 1%. Then along cane Al Gore and his wonky global warming and talking policy minutuea, fucking elitist. Then John Kerry for, OMG, being fluent in French and having honorably served his nation under fire. Then along comes the black guy, again from a middle class background, and he’s a Harvard law grad. Fuck him and his elitist education, how dare he. And topit all off with 30 years of repubs defunding public education, faux news and the right’s mockery of science and facts, dismissive of educational achievement and some want us libtards to play nice? Holy fucking shit.
#Standuptostupid #otherwisestupidwins
Then these guys that rail against the elites and vote for the worst kind of elitist, Trump.
I prefer to be led by self made elitists, like the ones you mentioned.
Sure, I remember Rick Santorum and Sarah Palin mocking "those elitists," with their "college educations." It was perplexing then and it is perplexing now. Husband and I both came from, as Ed would say, "real small." First-gen college student (me), public assistance, blue-collar families, etc.. We both went to those "elitist" schools, got pretty good educations. Worked hard. Ended up being pretty successful and comfortable, and I'm proud to say that my man has saved countless lives along the way.
We were the embodiment of the so-called "American Dream." And then we were slammed, by talking heads, Facebook "friends," and even family members, who knew how we make our money, for being "coastal elites." WTF? We got this from left and right, mind you -- from the folks in the red hats and from the Bernie bros.
I don't need anyone's pity, by the way. We're doing just fine. But, having come from a background very similar to that of current MAGA-heads, the conflicting messages cause us a certain amount of cognitive dissonance. And, frankly, we see a lot of victimhood, abdication of personal responsibility, and deflection in this behavior. That makes me sound like a conservative, doesn't it? But, look: we know we got to where we are through a combination of hard work and luck. We know other people worked hard and had bad luck (now I sound like a liberal!) and need a hand up. But we also know that there are plenty of people who sit around and complain about the rotten bastards who are better off than they are and the lazy scum who are worse off than they are, and when are they going to get what they deserve?
And that last group is eating up the message that Mexican members of ISIS (seriously, WTF?) are pouring into the country to steal everything good, white, "real" Americans still have left. Because it's always easy to blame someone else for your problems -- much easier than putting in the effort to solve your problems and make things better for yourself. But it does society as a whole no good to keep driving home this message; it merely fosters resentment. It doesn't improve the schools, or the roads, or healthcare. It doesn't given any of the people who feel left behind the skills and resources they need to make more opportunities for themselves. It just encourages whining, helplessness, and blaming the "other." Politicians are telling the MAGA crowd to keep shooting themselves in the foot, and they are all too eager to do so.
Which brings me to the "real America" bullshit. As Nate Silver pointed out yesterday, and as David Frum (conservative!) has noted repeatedly, the media need to stop relentlessly covering white people wearing trucker hats in rural diners as members of "real America." First of all, this country is too large and too diverse to be neatly summarized by any one trait or stereotype. Secondly, the Resistance is real, and it is huge. Avocado toast and yoga now are more "American," more popular, than John Deere hats. The media need to, as one commenter on Nate Silver's thread said, spend more time at PTA meetings and in Paneras; that's where they will find "real" America, such as it is.
Exactly. And the Dow dropped another 550 points today, wiping out all those fantastic gains that 50% of Americans were experiencing in Team Trump Treason’s economy. Just wait until the recession hits.
You, me and Gern have been talking about this sort of thing since the tax cuts were on the table, that you don't cut taxes in a booming economy because you lose your tools when the inevitable slowdown comes. Goldman doesn't see a recession, but just barely above it. Check out their key points they released yesterday... Check out the GDP.
-U.S. real GDP growth slows from 2.9% in 2018 to 1.6% -in 2020China's real GDP growth slows from 6.6% in 2018 to 6.1% -in 2020S&P 500 earnings growth slows from 23% in 2018 to 8% in 2019Core inflation rises from 1.9% in 2018 to 2.2% -In 2019-2010-Year U.S. Treasury Note yield hits 3.5% -in second half of 2019, U.S. unemployment rate drops to 3.2% in 2019, creating more wage pressures
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.
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I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.
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I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.
I don't think there's any evidence either way; I think it's just people's biases.
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.
I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.
I don't think there's any evidence either way; I think it's just people's biases.
Hillary has spoken frequently and publicly about their affection and love. She’s written about it in her autobiography, and I believe Bill has as well in his. Their public interactions have certainly been far warmer than those observed between Donald and Melania.
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I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.
I don't think there's any evidence either way; I think it's just people's biases.
Hillary has spoken frequently and publicly about their affection and love. She’s written about it in her autobiography, and I believe Bill has as well in his. Their public interactions have certainly been far warmer than those observed between Donald and Melania.
anything is warmer than your wife refusing to hold your hand. LOL. I see your point, I'm just saying that I'm sure there are marriages out there, public ones, that are complete facades to keep the image in place. not saying theirs is, but it does exist.
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around here, it has never been ok to make fun of a woman's appearance....unless she's a republican, it would seem. i don't care if you don't respect her as a person, as I also don't (fucking birther), but as a father of two daughters, and a husband, it just isn't right no matter who the person is. cincy is right to call that out.
I think people need to sometimes sit back and realize what they are getting upset about. I mean, ledbetter just defended your remarks about melania with reasons that could also apply, at least partially, to hillary, yet whenever someone on the right brings up hillary and her "weakness" of staying with an alleged serial cheater, she's a strong woman who can take care of herself and her own marriage. But Melania? she's a gold digging whore with no self respect.
look, the large majority of us loathe the current president and most of his adminstration, but there's a reason people on the right call us elitist and the like. it's because so many comments and arguments directed at Trump et al are hypocritical at best, deplorable at worst.
defending decency and non-partisanship is not the same as defending trump.
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You won't see me take many shots at Trump for being Orange or fat, at his sons for looking like Bevis and Butthead, at his wife for the circumstances of their marriage, etc. (in fact, this sentence is the worst I've done) because I do believe that takes our eyes off of the actual ball. And I do think it can tarnish the message. In fact, Steven Colbert a couple of years ago had a great monologue about Trump...but what did people remember? Drumph. That ended up being the takeaway and it was too bad. So I tend to agree that sticking with substance (which does not have to be pure policy; this includes disrespectful intangibles such as throwing paper towels and mocking war heros) is better.
On the other hand, I tend to let it go when I see it because why get bogged down in the minutiae of that stuff? If people want to amuse themselves by laughing at this guy or even his wife, so be it. It's OK to just move on and let that go.
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By choice, probably out of greed, she is also married to a bully who says much worse about people far more innocent than Melania Trump.
I have felt bad for her at times. During the campaign, it looked like she wanted to be doing anything else and just wanted it to end. Trump's public oafishness and infidelity aired out. Humiliating. She has kind of made this bed. I do feel bad for Barron Trump. No idea what kind of upbringing he is experiencing. Does anyone think his dad talks to him regularly?
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I prefer to be led by self made elitists, like the ones you mentioned.
Come on. When you wrestle with pigs... you get dirty.
And nobody is taking their eye of the ball when poking fun at a regime that makes it impossible not to poke fun at. This stuff is just 'side stuff' for shits and giggles. We've all got time to laugh at Trump for everything we can laugh at him for including his physicality: he said his body is better than Tom Brady so he's confident (he can handle it) and it's par for the course given who he's mocked with the microphone in hand.
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I had to look this up because I was like "What the fuck is this?" It's apparently "NPC" which stands for "non-playable character." It references video game characters that the player might interact with. But those non-playable characters you interact with have fixed dialogue, say what they're there to say, and that's it. The "joke" I guess is that they can't think for themselves. The hypocrisy is that everyone at a Trump rally chanting "lock her up" or whatever are the epitome of that.
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-U.S. real GDP growth slows from 2.9% in 2018 to 1.6%
-in 2020China's real GDP growth slows from 6.6% in 2018 to 6.1%
-in 2020S&P 500 earnings growth slows from 23% in 2018 to 8% in 2019Core inflation rises from 1.9% in 2018 to 2.2%
-In 2019-2010-Year U.S. Treasury Note yield hits 3.5%
-in second half of 2019, U.S. unemployment rate drops to 3.2% in 2019, creating more wage pressures
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