Yeah the suspect should of just sat there in car the worst that would of happened was jail for the warrant out on him jail but still alive .... Police could of just shot him not to kill but to stop , or gd could of chased him down this guy was no Bo Jackson or just let him go they had his license ...they could of tracked him down Did any body see the video of the cops running over the guy with gun on street just walking & shooting into air they just ran him over to stop him ...
I think most cops want to use their gun. I think this because they are trained to use it. When you train to do something you don't want to be denied the desire to use your training. I think a lot of cops are just looking for that excuse to pull their guns.
An example My friend is a fireman in Colorado up in the mountains. For the 1st two years they didn't fight a fire, yeah, they put out some BBQ fires and other little things, but no house in the town had gone on fire. One day they were called out and they rounded a bend to see a house on fire. He told me the whole truck started cheering because they were going to fight a real fire. There was no concern that somebody was losing their home, just elation that as firefighters they were going to fight a fire.
Obviously pulling your gun has a much more serious effect than pulling out a hose but carrying a gun is part of the job and training and I think a lot of cops daydream about taking a criminal out. I know I've daydreamed about everything I've ever trained for.
The common denominator in EVERY one of these police shootings has been these guys were resisting arrest. When will some of you realize that you can't do this. That your chances of being shot or killed increase dramatically when you resist.
Andy Savage is a GREAT defense attorney. I just wonder if there will be riots here in Charleston when this guy gets a second degree manslaughter conviction. Better yet for the defense, if the prosecution goes for first degree murder, there very well could be an acquittal.
But he wasn't being arrested though...it was just a routine traffic stop.
I think most cops want to use their gun. I think this because they are trained to use it. When you train to do something you don't want to be denied the desire to use your training. I think a lot of cops are just looking for that excuse to pull their guns.
An example My friend is a fireman in Colorado up in the mountains. For the 1st two years they didn't fight a fire, yeah, they put out some BBQ fires and other little things, but no house in the town had gone on fire. One day they were called out and they rounded a bend to see a house on fire. He told me the whole truck started cheering because they were going to fight a real fire. There was no concern that somebody was losing their home, just elation that as firefighters they were going to fight a fire.
Obviously pulling your gun has a much more serious effect than pulling out a hose but carrying a gun is part of the job and training and I think a lot of cops daydream about taking a criminal out. I know I've daydreamed about everything I've ever trained for.
There is definitely a tendancy among FF/EMT's to hope for adrenaline inducing cases, despite the fact that it means more likelihood of death aand destruction. Are cops different? Yes, but I highly dpubt that tendancy doesn't come into play to a certain extent. I know when I worked in the OR I delighted in the most complicated procedures... Though I must say, that was in Orthopedics, in the more life threatening services (cardio-thoracic, nephro, GI, neuro and the like) I only hoped for swift and simple resolution.
This fight occurred in various stages over 100s of yards. The cop had deployed non-lethal tactics to detain the guy, but failed in each attempt. The cop no longer had his taser because it was used against him as he wrestled with the guy (which speaks to the problems inherent with choosing to engage a hostile suspect in such a manner). Right up to the point where he shot him, the cop had performed admirably- including at the stop.
To me, the cop had the following options at the point where he drew his pistol: 1. Shoot him. 2. Track him down again and get into another fight. 3. Let him run away.
If the recent developments are accurate and options 2 and 3 not really options, option number one doesn't seem as ridiculous as it originally did; however, the choice to not let off a warning shot and choosing to shoot multiple times is where this cop screwed things up in my mind.
Sad on so many levels.
Option 3 is definitely an option. Remember this is a routine traffic stop. He was not stopped for any violent crime, or even any urgent issues. There is no reason that this needed to lead to him being shot, as opposed to the cop calling for reinforcements. The worst that would have have happened was that they failed to find him, at which point they are no worse off than before he was stopped.
In our jurisdiction there is a police policy not to engage in high speed chases with suspects in cars. If the suspect races away, then the following cop slows and calls for reinforcements to try to block the driver up ahead. They had found in several cases that engaging in a high speed chase simply increases risk for everyone, including innocent drivers on the road. This is similar - no need to escalate a routine situation into an emergency.
I'm not sure I'm inclined to agree with you here.
Cops choosing not to endanger people's lives with a high speed car chase is quite a bit different than 'giving up' trying to detain a person resisting arrest in a situation where nobody else is at risk. They aren't similar at all in my mind.
How sympathetic would the public be if it was discovered that an innocent person was hurt as a result of a cop electing to let a guy run away as in this scenario?
I might be in the minority, but I don't want police to give up trying to secure a person resisting arrest because they have made it difficult. If that becomes the policy, it goes without saying the standard operating procedure for many criminals would be to resist.
I would prefer people to stop resisting arrest. Better yet... I'd prefer people stop doing things that require cops to arrest them.
There is absolutely nothing in this story to suggest he posed a risk to any innocent bystander if allowed to continue to run while the first officer continues to follow as the other officers gather; clearly they would have been there in about a minute anyway, given the video. I have seen police detain people many times and it's pretty much standard to gather reinforcements if someone has resisted one officer, or even if they haven't but the officer isn't sure of their ability to contain the situation.
You mean outside of violently resisting arrest and fleeing in a highly agitated state and ultimately knowing how things played out.
What if the second cop had tried, like the first cop, to wrestle him down and his service revolver instead of the taser was taken and used against him?
How many larger cases have been solved as a result of routine traffic stops? When he ran, as 12 said, this became a highly unusual situation.
Do you feel he has any culpability in this incident at all? If the officer had drawn his pistol and shot him as he stole his taser and began using it on him... would this be excessive force?
Yes it's excessive force. Cops can not be executioners. Can't kill for running away. Nuts.
Yeah the suspect should of just sat there in car the worst that would of happened was jail for the warrant out on him jail but still alive .... Police could of just shot him not to kill but to stop , or gd could of chased him down this guy was no Bo Jackson or just let him go they had his license ...they could of tracked him down Did any body see the video of the cops running over the guy with gun on street just walking & shooting into air they just ran him over to stop him ...
Jose, there was more to the story then he was just shooting.
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I think most cops want to use their gun. I think this because they are trained to use it. When you train to do something you don't want to be denied the desire to use your training. I think a lot of cops are just looking for that excuse to pull their guns.
An example My friend is a fireman in Colorado up in the mountains. For the 1st two years they didn't fight a fire, yeah, they put out some BBQ fires and other little things, but no house in the town had gone on fire. One day they were called out and they rounded a bend to see a house on fire. He told me the whole truck started cheering because they were going to fight a real fire. There was no concern that somebody was losing their home, just elation that as firefighters they were going to fight a fire.
Obviously pulling your gun has a much more serious effect than pulling out a hose but carrying a gun is part of the job and training and I think a lot of cops daydream about taking a criminal out. I know I've daydreamed about everything I've ever trained for.
Reminds me of some US pilots I met. They were tired of training exercises and wanted to kill and blow up things for real. Made me sick to my stomach.
This trial is wrapping up. Slager took the stand yesterday and the defense rested. The judge today is instructing the jury of the other charges that he could be found guilty of. It's highly unlikely he is convicted of first degree murder.
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I think most cops want to use their gun. I think this because they are trained to use it. When you train to do something you don't want to be denied the desire to use your training. I think a lot of cops are just looking for that excuse to pull their guns.
An example My friend is a fireman in Colorado up in the mountains. For the 1st two years they didn't fight a fire, yeah, they put out some BBQ fires and other little things, but no house in the town had gone on fire. One day they were called out and they rounded a bend to see a house on fire. He told me the whole truck started cheering because they were going to fight a real fire. There was no concern that somebody was losing their home, just elation that as firefighters they were going to fight a fire.
Obviously pulling your gun has a much more serious effect than pulling out a hose but carrying a gun is part of the job and training and I think a lot of cops daydream about taking a criminal out. I know I've daydreamed about everything I've ever trained for.
I really don't think that's the case with cops. I think it is justified in some places like the military. Someone might join because they believe a certain group of people are evil, and by killing them you are saving American lives. Not saying I 100% agree, but there's more to it than just joining to kill people.
Very few cops ever fire their weapon at someone. I think most would prefer to go their whole career and never have to. There isn't a defined enemy like ISIS they are fighting. Many cops who do shoot someone end up getting treatment and counseling or have difficulty going back on the job.
If you're going to relate putting out a fire to what police do I would say it is more like a high-speed chase, getting to drive 150 mph down the freeway. And I'm sure a lot have fun doing that. But taking a life is a whole new level that just doesn't compare.
This should come as no surprise It was a jury of 11 white people (and 1 black guy) with a white cop defendant accusing of killing a black man in the south. Of course it is a hung jury
This should come as no surprise It was a jury of 11 white people (and 1 black guy) with a white cop defendant accusing of killing a black man in the south. Of course it is a hung jury
11-1 verdict is hardly an "of course" scenario. And almost always when it is just 1 or 2 votes away from conviction, they go forward with a retrial.
I honestly don't think I could sit on that jury (dylan roof).
I would eagerly sit on that jury to convict Mushroom Head.
lol@mushroom head I just don't think I could be impartial. Although, not sure how they're going to find enough people to give him a jury of his peers, especially in Charleston. It's all still so fresh in people's minds.
Good for you feeling that way. I don't think there is any question of guilt though. What we don't need is some fool feeling sorry for mushroom head and messing with the pursuit of justice.
Good for you feeling that way. I don't think there is any question of guilt though. What we don't need is some fool feeling sorry for mushroom head and messing with the pursuit of justice.
Still have to have a trial though. I've sat on a jury for two trials, one being homicide by child abuse. As horrible as that was I can't imagine having to sit through a trial where some psycho killed 12 people in cold blood. I read today where his lawyers are trying to delay jury selection because of the Slager mistrial.
Good for you feeling that way. I don't think there is any question of guilt though. What we don't need is some fool feeling sorry for mushroom head and messing with the pursuit of justice.
Still have to have a trial though. I've sat on a jury for two trials, one being homicide by child abuse. As horrible as that was I can't imagine having to sit through a trial where some psycho killed 12 people in cold blood. I read today where his lawyers are trying to delay jury selection because of the Slager mistrial.
Brutal.
Good for you doing your civic duty. Unfortunate you have to digest that. Traumatic.
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Police could of just shot him not to kill but to stop , or gd could of chased him down this guy was no Bo Jackson or just let him go they had his license ...they could of tracked him down
Did any body see the video of the cops running over the guy with gun on street just walking & shooting into air they just ran him over to stop him ...
An example
My friend is a fireman in Colorado up in the mountains. For the 1st two years they didn't fight a fire, yeah, they put out some BBQ fires and other little things, but no house in the town had gone on fire. One day they were called out and they rounded a bend to see a house on fire. He told me the whole truck started cheering because they were going to fight a real fire. There was no concern that somebody was losing their home, just elation that as firefighters they were going to fight a fire.
Obviously pulling your gun has a much more serious effect than pulling out a hose but carrying a gun is part of the job and training and I think a lot of cops daydream about taking a criminal out. I know I've daydreamed about everything I've ever trained for.
I know when I worked in the OR I delighted in the most complicated procedures... Though I must say, that was in Orthopedics, in the more life threatening services (cardio-thoracic, nephro, GI, neuro and the like) I only hoped for swift and simple resolution.
I asked if he had shot him while the guy had taken his taser from him and was in the process of using it on him... would this be excessive force?
Resisting arrest or running can not be reason to kill.
The cop made the error being a public servant that accepted the rules of engagement and didn't follow them.
Did you care to answer the question I posed to you?
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Very few cops ever fire their weapon at someone. I think most would prefer to go their whole career and never have to. There isn't a defined enemy like ISIS they are fighting. Many cops who do shoot someone end up getting treatment and counseling or have difficulty going back on the job.
If you're going to relate putting out a fire to what police do I would say it is more like a high-speed chase, getting to drive 150 mph down the freeway. And I'm sure a lot have fun doing that. But taking a life is a whole new level that just doesn't compare.
It was a jury of 11 white people (and 1 black guy) with a white cop defendant accusing of killing a black man in the south.
Of course it is a hung jury
we will find a way, we will find our place
I just don't think I could be impartial. Although, not sure how they're going to find enough people to give him a jury of his peers, especially in Charleston. It's all still so fresh in people's minds.
Good for you doing your civic duty. Unfortunate you have to digest that. Traumatic.
I read that his mother had a heart attack in the court room yesterday. Surprised she hasn't had one before now.