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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,551
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    HA..."reformists"

    Should we bomb them or evangelize them? If neither of those, then we should negotiate a deal with them, which we did.
    I didn't realize there were only three options. How could I be so obtuse?
    What do you propose?
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 9,031
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    HA..."reformists"

    Should we bomb them or evangelize them? If neither of those, then we should negotiate a deal with them, which we did.
    I didn't realize there were only three options. How could I be so obtuse?
    What do you propose?
    I believe he has stated he is in favor of more ineffective sanctions.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,363
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    Come to the conclusion humans need to hate. Need to have their tribe in battle with the other tribe.

    Must be learned though. Guess it starts young with pledge of allegiance and USA chant. Humans do make great trainable beings. Little more complicated than training a dog, but not much more.

    You call me a dog well that's fair enough...but I've never pledged allegiance or done a USA chant...just old fashioned Canadian public school education. We tend to be big on human rights.
    Except where Palestinians are concerned it seems.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,870
    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    Come to the conclusion humans need to hate. Need to have their tribe in battle with the other tribe.

    Must be learned though. Guess it starts young with pledge of allegiance and USA chant. Humans do make great trainable beings. Little more complicated than training a dog, but not much more.

    You call me a dog well that's fair enough...but I've never pledged allegiance or done a USA chant...just old fashioned Canadian public school education. We tend to be big on human rights.
    Except where Palestinians are concerned it seems.
    No. We recognize that Hamas is murdering moderate Palestinians on a daily basis and we want that to stop. We believe once it stops a peace seeking Palestinian government might arise that could be negotiated with. Unfortunately too many of you are sympathetic to Islamists all in the name of resistance and hence maintain this horrific status quo. Sensible Canadians will unfortunately have to sit back and wait until you come to this realization yourself. There is nothing left for us or anyone else to do. It is on you.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,870
    rgambs said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    HA..."reformists"

    Should we bomb them or evangelize them? If neither of those, then we should negotiate a deal with them, which we did.
    I didn't realize there were only three options. How could I be so obtuse?
    What do you propose?
    I believe he has stated he is in favor of more ineffective sanctions.
    Yup. That's all. In favour of ineffectiveness only.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,551
    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    HA..."reformists"

    Should we bomb them or evangelize them? If neither of those, then we should negotiate a deal with them, which we did.
    I didn't realize there were only three options. How could I be so obtuse?
    What do you propose?
    I believe he has stated he is in favor of more ineffective sanctions.
    Yup. That's all. In favour of ineffectiveness only.
    To be fair, the sanctions brought them to the negotiating table. The point of the sanctions was never 'regime change' so if anyone in the US thought that was the end game, it was somewhat naive. However, the international community was not going to allow continued sanctions when the Iranians were willing to disassemble the nuclear program. Russia and China would never have backed more sanctions.
    So, in my view, the sanctions did was that were designed to do, and then Kerry and co. effectively negotiated a long term solution WITH the kicker that sanctions go back into effect if they violate it. Russia and China signed on to that so they will have to support it.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 15,915
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    HA..."reformists"

    Should we bomb them or evangelize them? If neither of those, then we should negotiate a deal with them, which we did.
    I didn't realize there were only three options. How could I be so obtuse?
    What do you propose?
    I believe he has stated he is in favor of more ineffective sanctions.
    Yup. That's all. In favour of ineffectiveness only.
    To be fair, the sanctions brought them to the negotiating table. The point of the sanctions was never 'regime change' so if anyone in the US thought that was the end game, it was somewhat naive. However, the international community was not going to allow continued sanctions when the Iranians were willing to disassemble the nuclear program. Russia and China would never have backed more sanctions.
    So, in my view, the sanctions did was that were designed to do, and then Kerry and co. effectively negotiated a long term solution WITH the kicker that sanctions go back into effect if they violate it. Russia and China signed on to that so they will have to support it.
    agreed. the international community flat out refused any further sanctions. the choice for the US became either agree with them and implement sanctions again if terms are violated, or be a powerless lone wolf with no power to impose sanctions. i think we made the right choice.

    tom cotton will tell you otherwise, but he was paid at least one million bucks by israel to oppose any agreement at all.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,363
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    Come to the conclusion humans need to hate. Need to have their tribe in battle with the other tribe.

    Must be learned though. Guess it starts young with pledge of allegiance and USA chant. Humans do make great trainable beings. Little more complicated than training a dog, but not much more.

    You call me a dog well that's fair enough...but I've never pledged allegiance or done a USA chant...just old fashioned Canadian public school education. We tend to be big on human rights.
    Except where Palestinians are concerned it seems.
    No. We recognize that Hamas is murdering moderate Palestinians on a daily basis and we want that to stop. We believe once it stops a peace seeking Palestinian government might arise that could be negotiated with. Unfortunately too many of you are sympathetic to Islamists all in the name of resistance and hence maintain this horrific status quo. Sensible Canadians will unfortunately have to sit back and wait until you come to this realization yourself. There is nothing left for us or anyone else to do. It is on you.
    Funny Hamas arent islamists.
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    BOMb the nuke sites and take their oil.

    They are bad actors and evil doers

    Damn be Iran leadership

    Freedom to their oppressed society!
    Don't worry 'bout it Dudesk!
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,551

    BOMb the nuke sites and take their oil.

    They are bad actors and evil doers

    Damn be Iran leadership

    Freedom to their oppressed society!

    Sigh... those that have learned nothing from Iraq. Pathetic.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    BOMb the nuke sites and take their oil.

    They are bad actors and evil doers

    Damn be Iran leadership

    Freedom to their oppressed society!

    You don't want peace or resolution.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 9,031

    BOMb the nuke sites and take their oil.

    They are bad actors and evil doers

    Damn be Iran leadership

    Freedom to their oppressed society!

    Let's just kill thousands of innocent people, evil brown people don't matter anyways right?
    If you think bombs bring freedom there is no getting through a skull that thick with reason.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,363
    How does that troll bait taste?
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,870
    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    Come to the conclusion humans need to hate. Need to have their tribe in battle with the other tribe.

    Must be learned though. Guess it starts young with pledge of allegiance and USA chant. Humans do make great trainable beings. Little more complicated than training a dog, but not much more.

    You call me a dog well that's fair enough...but I've never pledged allegiance or done a USA chant...just old fashioned Canadian public school education. We tend to be big on human rights.
    Except where Palestinians are concerned it seems.
    No. We recognize that Hamas is murdering moderate Palestinians on a daily basis and we want that to stop. We believe once it stops a peace seeking Palestinian government might arise that could be negotiated with. Unfortunately too many of you are sympathetic to Islamists all in the name of resistance and hence maintain this horrific status quo. Sensible Canadians will unfortunately have to sit back and wait until you come to this realization yourself. There is nothing left for us or anyone else to do. It is on you.
    Funny Hamas arent islamists.
    If only this were true.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 23,905
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,551
    mickeyrat said:

    How does that troll bait taste?

    If that's the case, then that's a shitty person. The people on AMT care deeply about what they believe so if it's just trolling, then it's ass hole behavior.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,363
    mrussel1 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    How does that troll bait taste?

    If that's the case, then that's a shitty person. The people on AMT care deeply about what they believe so if it's just trolling, then it's ass hole behavior.
    Pay close attention. You'll see .
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Give it up BS. yes we know political machine is still hard at work in Iran and there's stupid shit happening there.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,551
    BS44325 said:
    The author says this..The regime in Tehran is now more confident, wealthier, more expansionist and belligerent than at any time since the bloody decade of the 1980s.

    And that's really the beauty of an opinion piece. You can say whatever they hell you want without any evidence to back it up.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,363
    Estimated 70% turnout.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 15,915
    mickeyrat said:

    Estimated 70% turnout.

    sadly still higher than US turnout.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 16,531
    Shocking ...
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,870
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,551
    Jason P said:

    Shocking ...

    And the other angle not from the notoriously right wing rag, Free Beacon... http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-iran-missiles-20160309-story.html
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,870
    More Free Beacon unfortunately...

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/us-demands-oversight-iran-nuke-program/

    This "deal" just keeps getting better
  • dignindignin Posts: 5,089
    BS44325 said:

    More Free Beacon unfortunately...

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/us-demands-oversight-iran-nuke-program/

    This "deal" just keeps getting better

    Didn't we just establish this source can't be trusted?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,870
    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    More Free Beacon unfortunately...

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/us-demands-oversight-iran-nuke-program/

    This "deal" just keeps getting better

    Didn't we just establish this source can't be trusted?
    Nope
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