Chris Cornell - Long Gone

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  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Facepollution said it earlier in this thread, and it seems to be the case. Attention. It makes sense... Soundgarden ends, and he tries to make an album on his own merits. Critical acclaim, low buys. Audioslave happens - suddenly he's right back in the public eye. Audioslave ends, he tries to make an album on his own merits. It falters, both creatively and publically. And now he throws his lot in with Timbaland, maybe the hottest ticket of the last two, three years. I sense a pattern.

    Welcome to PJ forums, though. :) Cuss all you like. ;)


    To be fair it was CC who ended Audioslave of his own accord, from what I read anyway.
    I don't like to label the point but my ghast has well and truly been flabbered by this new stuff I've heard .
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    jamie uk wrote:
    To be fair it was CC who ended Audioslave of his own accord, from what I read anyway.
    I don't like to label the point but my ghast has well and truly been flabbered by this new stuff I've heard .
    It's probably just me trying to make my theory work (;)) but I think he was probably jealous of Tom, Tim and Brad getting all the attention for Rage, while he was stuck playing solo acoustic gigs in Sweden to little fanfare, as excellent as that gig was. If Tom, Tim and Brad don't need Chris, Chris didn't need them, right?

    See: Carry On.

    So... If Chris didn't need Rage, but clearly needed someone, my guess is when Timbaland was suggested as a remixer to make his stuff accessible to the youths, he hopped on the bandwagon with gusto.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    It's probably just me trying to make my theory work (;)) but I think he was probably jealous of Tom, Tim and Brad getting all the attention for Rage, while he was stuck playing solo acoustic gigs in Sweden to little fanfare, as excellent as that gig was. If Tom, Tim and Brad don't need Chris, Chris didn't need them, right?

    See: Carry On.

    So... If Chris didn't need Rage, but clearly needed someone, my guess is when Timbaland was suggested as a remixer to make his stuff accessible to the youths, he hopped on the bandwagon with gusto.


    maybe..or maybe as you say you are 'crow barring' in reasons to suit your theory :p The last Audioslave album did well, just Chris refused to tour it. I read then after he split, he said "it was unfair, I realised I had no intention of being in this band, so I did the decent thing and told them..." something like that anyway. And also I have to say once again that Euphoria Morning is really a fabulous record he made that sounded nothing like Soundgarden or Audioslave. I like it anyway :o
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    jamie uk wrote:
    maybe..or maybe as you say you are 'crow barring' in reasons to suit your theory :p The last Audioslave album did well, just Chris refused to tour it. I read then after he split, he said "it was unfair, I realised I had no intention of being in this band, so I did the decent thing and told them..." something like that anyway. And also I have to say once again that Euphoria Morning is really a fabulous record he made that sounded nothing like Soundgarden or Audioslave. I like it anyway :o
    I'm not saying that Audioslave weren't doing well - I'm just saying that when Rage got back together and it was bigger than anything Chris had done since Superunknown, it kinda left him on the sidelines, and that probably bruised his ego. So he wanted to prove he was just as much as a draw on his own as with Audioslave. Of course he wasn't gonna come right out and say it, or else this wouldn't just be a theory. ;):p

    And I'll never hear a bad word said against Euphoria Morning, except that he might have used the Flutter Girl demo instead of the take he ended up using. And whoever told him adding a French version of Can't Change Me to the album was a good idea needs to be shot.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I'm not saying that Audioslave weren't doing well - I'm just saying that when Rage got back together and it was bigger than anything Chris had done since Superunknown, it kinda left him on the sidelines, and that probably bruised his ego. So he wanted to prove he was just as much as a draw on his own as with Audioslave. Of course he wasn't gonna come right out and say it, or else this wouldn't just be a theory. ;):p

    And I'll never hear a bad word said against Euphoria Morning, except that he might have used the Flutter Girl demo instead of the take he ended up using. And whoever told him adding a French version of Can't Change Me to the album was a good idea needs to be shot.

    I forgot now what the new stuff sounds like, I just heard a new Motorhead song on the radio called.........'Rock out...with your cock out' :D
    Lemmy cleansed my mind :D.....now, there's a thought, Lemmy doing a solo record with Timbaland ;)
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • CCRefugee
    CCRefugee Posts: 76
    Marie Curie wrote:
    Welcome, what is your username on the CC board?

    McKay21. I hadn't posted on any of the forums for years, but the Timbaland
    stuff drew me out.
  • CCRefugee
    CCRefugee Posts: 76
    jamie uk wrote:
    To be fair it was CC who ended Audioslave of his own accord, from what I read anyway.
    I don't like to label the point but my ghast has well and truly been flabbered by this new stuff I've heard .

    Yeah, he pretty much ended it in a hissy fit because they wouldn't pay him more. He got his cut for the lyrics plus an equal share for the music. Probably was right, though, I don't know that they all deserved an equal publishing cut when it came to the music. But treating them like studio musicians was probably the end of it, regardless of whether Chris wanted to leave or not.
  • elmer
    elmer Posts: 1,683
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    And whoever told him adding a French version of Can't Change Me to the album was a good idea needs to be shot.
    for crying out loud, Mr Rhino! That shit moved me, thought he shoulda done away with the english track.
  • jamie uk
    jamie uk Posts: 3,812
    CCRefugee wrote:
    Yeah, he pretty much ended it in a hissy fit because they wouldn't pay him more. He got his cut for the lyrics plus an equal share for the music. Probably was right, though, I don't know that they all deserved an equal publishing cut when it came to the music. But treating them like studio musicians was probably the end of it, regardless of whether Chris wanted to leave or not.

    Well, I only read Chris's version of it.
    I saw them live once, just after the second album came out.... it was a killer show :)
    I came, I saw, I concurred.....
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Personally I blame every fickle muthafucker who wouldn't give Euphoria Morning a fair chance. Whilst Audioslave made some good music, I could have done without them if he had followed the style of EM. The songs on that record fit together so well - and that is what he doesn't seem to be able to create by himself.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    elmer wrote:
    for crying out loud, Mr Rhino! That shit moved me, thought he shoulda done away with the english track.
    Ugh... no, it just sounded... I dunno, like, his thought process was that, if he sang in French, people would take him more seriously as an artist. And the cheesy accordion that they added to it...

    Yeah, I'm pretty dead set on thinking it was awful. If anyone says differently, they should come to Ireland, and we can box, or something. :D
    facepollution wrote:
    Personally I blame every fickle muthafucker who wouldn't give Euphoria Morning a fair chance. Whilst Audioslave made some good music, I could have done without them if he had followed the style of EM. The songs on that record fit together so well - and that is what he doesn't seem to be able to create by himself.
    Chris does seem to need a band environment to have any kind of creative cohesion in his albums. That's why I was so eagerly anticipating him hitting the studio with his touring band. They could've done something special, I think. But instead we get chirping-monkey Chris, and moody-spoken-word-breakdown Timbaland. And I weep.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    I just watched a video of him performing Loud Love from the other day, it actually makes me sad - I wanna hate him right now, but his voice is just too damn good :mad:
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    This one? http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=qaVDoSKlTao

    This shit is exactly the reason this new, neutered stuff is so disappointing: he has the voice to pull off some of the best performances of his career, and he's wasting it on low-grade pop nuggets.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    This one? http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=qaVDoSKlTao

    This shit is exactly the reason this new, neutered stuff is so disappointing: he has the voice to pull off some of the best performances of his career, and he's wasting it on low-grade pop nuggets.

    Yep that would be the one, some quality old-school wailing in there!
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    facepollution wrote:
    Yep that would be the one, some quality old-school wailing in there!
    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=S0W6vKABGrM

    And then you watch that. He even looks sorta douchebaggy there.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=S0W6vKABGrM

    And then you watch that. He even looks sorta douchebaggy there.

    It's night time, take your sunglasses off you fucking penis!

    I won't even get started on the organ sound he's added to Spoonman :eek: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=w4V3EQC6ajM
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    facepollution wrote:
    It's night time, take your sunglasses off you fucking penis!

    I won't even get started on the organ sound he's added to Spoonman :eek: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=w4V3EQC6ajM
    And people have the nerve to complain about Boom?!?
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • reversedarwinism
    reversedarwinism Posts: 1,151
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    This one? http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=qaVDoSKlTao

    This shit is exactly the reason this new, neutered stuff is so disappointing: he has the voice to pull off some of the best performances of his career, and he's wasting it on low-grade pop nuggets.

    I would love to catch a show off this tour. Sounds amazing and Long Gone is sounding damn good live and Watch Out isn't bad. I'm starting to like the five new tracks more. I understand so many not liking it, but I like timbaland's music for what it is. That type of music doesn't stick with me like rock does, but I like it for what it is. I'll be picking this album up when it comes out. I think there is a pretty good chance it will be better than Carry On. Cornell will do some good albums in the future of who knows what genres, and his live shows continue to kick ass. This album will undoubtedly throw many fans off, but future albums will bring many of them back.
    bombs, dropping down, please forgive our hometown
  • corduroy85
    corduroy85 Posts: 139
    CCRefugee wrote:
    But, they have no point of reference. How old do you think most of these people are? Down on the Upside came out in 1996. I don't think they bought that when they were 10 or younger, and you can forget anything that came before. Maybe for these nutcases, their point of reference is so new (Audioslave) that this seems somewhat reasonable or something?

    I remember going way back to Euphoria Morning, Matt said he wasn't a big fan of the overproduction. Well, Matt ain't seen nothing yet, he's gonna be screamin out da top of his head.

    Although I agree with you 100% on pretty much everything you've said but I don't think age really matters. I mean I was 11 when DOTU came out, really dug into SG, TOTD 1,5~2 years ago. Since then SG were and still are my favorite band (like them even more than PJ who of course are a close 2nd).
    I think those teens on his message board just have water closets in their heads and that's it.

    P.S. It does seem like this patient is done and lost. There's no way he could get back on top with music that can compare to the one we all love and cherish.
    P.P.S. If it weren't for this board I would never give EM a second chance.
    Don't go messing with machoes!
  • Marie Curie
    Marie Curie Posts: 1,250
    corduroy85 wrote:
    Although I agree with you 100% on pretty much everything you've said but I don't think age really matters. I mean I was 11 when DOTU came out, really dug into SG, TOTD 1,5~2 years ago. Since then SG were and still are my favorite band (like them even more than PJ who of course are a close 2nd).
    I think those teens on his message board just have water closets in their heads and that's it.

    P.S. It does seem like this patient is done and lost. There's no way he could get back on top with music that can compare to the one we all love and cherish.
    P.P.S. If it weren't for this board I would never give EM a second chance.


    I have to agree with this too, I was 12 when DOTU came out. Never really cared for Audioslave...


    Also, I have to ask, how was EM on the 2nd chance?
    “Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky

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