"Chinese Democracy" The Single...Survey Says....

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  • JimBerkell
    JimBerkell Posts: 579
    facepollution wrote:
    I don't think the wait was supposed to signify the quality, I guess it just was what it was - him not being happy with it. In all honesty, for a lot of people I don't think this record could fail to dissapoint them - the expectations are way too high. For me as a very casual fan who likes about a handful of songs I couldn't care less if it's good or bad.

    I get what you're saying. I think most people might feel that way. I kinda feel the opposite... I have pretty darn low expectations for the album because it's just Axl + a million guests... were it the original lineup, sure my expectations would be really really high for this long a wait. So anything good that comes out of this will be a bonus for me. So far the single hasn't let me down because it's as generic as I expected.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    facepollution wrote:
    I don't think the wait was supposed to signify the quality, I guess it just was what it was - him not being happy with it. In all honesty, for a lot of people I don't think this record could fail to dissapoint them - the expectations are way too high. For me as a very casual fan who likes about a handful of songs I couldn't care less if it's good or bad.
    I never thought the ratio of waiting-to-song quality was gonna work in Axl's favour - but even if he wanted people to take this as "just another GnR album", as opposed to "the album he took 15 years to perfect", it still wouldn't be a great follow-up to the Illusion records.

    Also, to put this in perspective: since the Illusion records came out, Greg Dulli has released Gentlemen, Black Love, 1965, all four Twilight Singers albums, and the Gutter Twins stuff. Think about that for a minute. :p
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  • Porchsitter
    Porchsitter Loganville, GA Posts: 1,092
    Not....good.
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  • PissBottleMan
    PissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    Overproduced? What the hell do you think he's been doing for the past 15 years? Tweaking the album art?

    Being a GNR mark since I was 11, my biased opinion is that it is alright, but I've heard leaks that are far better than this song.

    From a marketing standpoint, I guess it makes sense to release the title track as the single.

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    PBM
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  • aspoonfulweighsaton
    aspoonfulweighsaton Posts: 2,067
    This was always my least favorite of all the leaked tracks over the years. Why it's a single is beyond me... I mean I don't hate it but it is now way overproduced.

    With that being said, this album is going to be incredible. Will it live up to the hype? Of course not, but the ones complaining about that are the ones that created the hype in the first place.
  • dharma69
    dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    gnr+pj=2bestever wrote:
    This song was written waaaayyy before Velvet Revolver was even a thought. It was first performed in 2001. Get it right.
    When it was written and the finished product are two things that have nothing to so with one another.

    And that is right.
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I never thought the ratio of waiting-to-song quality was gonna work in Axl's favour - but even if he wanted people to take this as "just another GnR album", as opposed to "the album he took 15 years to perfect", it still wouldn't be a great follow-up to the Illusion records.

    Also, to put this in perspective: since the Illusion records came out, Greg Dulli has released Gentlemen, Black Love, 1965, all four Twilight Singers albums, and the Gutter Twins stuff. Think about that for a minute. :p

    Lol, oh yeah I get that he's taken forever! You have to kind of give him credit for finally releasing it though. I don't think the long wait was anything to do with a quality control issue - it was more a mental issue that he had, and it would appear that he's finally realised that you can't force a 'classic' album.

    From what I've heard the new stuff is pretty solid, and it is a pretty huge task to release something after 15 years that doesn't sound dated, yet still maintains certain stylistic criteria for what would be expected from a G'N'R record.
  • gnr+pj=2bestever
    gnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    For your info:

    Caram Costanzo Co-Produced Chinese Democracy. He also produced Pearl Jam's, No Code.
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  • DocChicago
    DocChicago Posts: 653
    gnr+pj=2bestever wrote:
    have you listened to the song?

    1) there most definitely is a chorus

    2) the verse riff is NOT the same as the chorus riff
    What's the matter with you? I already said I agree with you that there IS a chorus. Your issue is with dharma69, not me.

    You have to admit the riff is similar though.
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  • gnr+pj=2bestever
    gnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    DocChicago wrote:
    What's the matter with you? I already said I agree with you that there IS a chorus. Your issue is with dharma69, not me.

    You have to admit the riff is similar though.

    oops sorry, wrong person about the chorus.

    As far as the riff though....it's along the same vein, but the verse is definitely more funky/bluesy/not power chords
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  • OffHeGoes132
    OffHeGoes132 Posts: 594
    gnr+pj=2bestever wrote:
    For your info:

    Caram Costanzo Co-Produced Chinese Democracy. He also produced Pearl Jam's, No Code.

    Didn't Brendan O'Brien produce No Code??
  • muppet
    muppet Posts: 980
    PissBottleMan wrote:
    Overproduced? What the hell do you think he's been doing for the past 15 years? Tweaking the album art?

    That's probably the main problem that I've got with the songs that I've heard so far. They've obviously been tinkered and tweaked so much for 15 years that they've lost...soul? Sounds pretentious but yeah, it's good to take time on an album but too long can be bad.

    Although I'm only basing this on the leaks from June so who knows, the finished product may be better. I'm not really a GnR fan (just the hits) but it's still interesting to see this album finallt getting released.

    And I thought Brendan O Brien produced No Code.
  • gnr+pj=2bestever
    gnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    OffHeGoes132 wrote:
    Didn't Brendan O'Brien produce No Code??

    umm i'm not totally sure. I was just going by what it says in this Rolling Stone article. In the first paragraph is where it says that Caram produced No Code.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/10/22/guns-n-roses-management-officially-announce-chinese-democracy-release/
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  • PissBottleMan
    PissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    OffHeGoes132 wrote:
    Didn't Brendan O'Brien produce No Code??


    Yes, along with Pearl Jam.

    Caram Costanzo was an assistant engineer...so technically he was involved in the production.

    PBM
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  • the wolf
    the wolf Posts: 7,027
    lol considering the song was written back in 1999, and played on a regular basis since 2000 or 2001, i dont think he was giving two shits about velvet revolver.

    i have had most of this album for a while now.


    this is close to the weakest song on it.


    there is some really , really deep, poppy, and multi-layered stuff going on most of the songs.

    its cool.

    and dont forget, he has said that the "big guns" wont be on this album. he recorded 3.5 albums with the last full album to be released in 2012, and a e.p. to be released in 2013.

    its the second album that is going to be the "one".
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  • holtz
    holtz Posts: 509
    aspoonfulweighsaton wrote:
    This was always my least favorite of all the leaked tracks over the years. Why it's a single is beyond me... I mean I don't hate it but it is now way overproduced.

    I think it was chosen since its just a straight ahead rock song. I think there are way better songs but Madagascar and TWAT aren't going to go over well with people expecting Appetite part 2.
  • PissBottleMan
    PissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    holtz wrote:
    Madagascar

    I think that song would actually fit in on one of the Illusion albums.

    PBM
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  • gnr+pj=2bestever
    gnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    Here's a cool link to the song:

    http://assets.interscope.com/players/gunsnroses/player2.swf
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  • holtz
    holtz Posts: 509
    I agree about Madagascar. From what I've heard this stuff is more like the Illusions, which is a good thing IMO.
  • EquallyWorthless
    EquallyWorthless Posts: 3,993
    meh, its ok. not great, not terrible. I think "better" would have been a better single, pardon the pun. The thing is, and im sure it has been said before, after 13 years or whatever, it will NEVER live up to the hype.
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