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"Chinese Democracy" The Single...Survey Says....

dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
edited October 2008 in Other Music
"Chinese Democracy"

We waited 35 years for this?!?!?!?

Somebody's been listening to a little too much Velvet Revolver.
"I'm here to see Pearl Jam."- Bono

...signed...the token black Pearl Jam fan.

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  • Dismantle The SunDismantle The Sun Posts: 139
    After waiting for over 100 years for the event of the century, I'm pleased to say it finally arrived. Will be listening to it asap....now where's my hearing aid.
    You mean the cat ate it????? DOH!
    Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun - W.H. Auden
  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    All, do tell what you think of the chorus...

    Oh, right...there isn't one. Nevermind.
    "I'm here to see Pearl Jam."- Bono

    ...signed...the token black Pearl Jam fan.

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  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    I liked it a lot.
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    I can hardly tell that it's Axl's voice. That much over-production is not a great sign.

    A friend of a friend gave her brilliant unbiased opinion that I love the most....so far:

    "IT BE SO SUCKY, IT IS THE BLACK HOLE OF SUCK. As far as comebacks from obscurity go.... he's no Portishead."
    "I'm here to see Pearl Jam."- Bono

    ...signed...the token black Pearl Jam fan.

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  • JimBerkellJimBerkell Posts: 579
    Wow. Just wow. Um, atleast there's a solo to break up the same riff over and over again?... I can't say I like it.
    "You could have licked the lips of God, but you chose the pavement..." ~ These Arms Are Snakes
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    eh...nothing special
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • JimBerkellJimBerkell Posts: 579
    dharma69 wrote:
    I can hardly tell that it's Axl's voice. That much over-production is not a great sign.

    Yeah, the over-production on the vocals was a huge turn-off. So was the awful distortion.
    "You could have licked the lips of God, but you chose the pavement..." ~ These Arms Are Snakes
  • Marie CurieMarie Curie Posts: 1,250
    dharma69 wrote:
    I can hardly tell that it's Axl's voice. That much over-production is not a great sign.

    That's what I thought too. This song is pretty bad
    “Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    Talk about production up the ass. Its not a bad song but the production completely kills it. That intro in the beginning was stupid too
    5/28/06, 6/27/08, 10/28/09, 5/18/10, 5/21/10
    8/7/08, 6/9/09
  • DocChicagoDocChicago Posts: 653
    I'll go against the grain and say that I like it, though I don't care for the extra overproduction in the vocals. The leaked demo from a few months ago sounded better because there was less overdubbing.

    And there is a chorus. It just has the same riff as the verse.
    It is time to admit that we used to rock like hurricanes. It is time to run for the hills and go round and round. It is time for us to shout at the devil. We've got the right to choose it, there ain't no way we'll lose it, and we're not gonna take it anymore.
    - C. Klosterman
  • muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    Pretty rubbish, and I'm sure I heard this song about a year ago.

    I'm not that impressed with much of what we've heard of CD so far. It's all very overproduced. Surprised 'Better' was not the single though, because that's a pretty catchy song.
  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    muppet wrote:
    Pretty rubbish, and I'm sure I heard this song about a year ago.

    I'm not that impressed with much of what we've heard of CD so far. It's all very overproduced. Surprised 'Better' was not the single though, because that's a pretty catchy song.

    Thats the name of the song I liked...yeah that songs great
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    The chorus barely sounds like Axl.....I don't think it's a bad song at all.
  • chris05chris05 Posts: 347
    I really liked it..
    Who cares if the world is going down the toilet? Eddie Vedder got his mojo back!
  • gnr+pj=2bestevergnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    dharma69 wrote:
    "Chinese Democracy"

    We waited 35 years for this?!?!?!?

    Somebody's been listening to a little too much Velvet Revolver.


    This song was written waaaayyy before Velvet Revolver was even a thought. It was first performed in 2001. Get it right.
    Whats got the whole world faking?
  • gnr+pj=2bestevergnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    DocChicago wrote:
    I'll go against the grain and say that I like it, though I don't care for the extra overproduction in the vocals. The leaked demo from a few months ago sounded better because there was less overdubbing.

    And there is a chorus. It just has the same riff as the verse.

    have you listened to the song?

    1) there most definitely is a chorus

    2) the verse riff is NOT the same as the chorus riff
    Whats got the whole world faking?
  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Not good.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Yeah... I mean, it's not a bad song, in and of itself. But it's not the immaculate conception of a song it'd have to be to justify the wait. It's not even as good as Pretty Tied Up.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • gnr+pj=2bestevergnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    Obviously i like the song...would I have chosen it as their first single? Probably not.

    I probably would have chosen Better or I.R.S.
    Whats got the whole world faking?
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Yeah... I mean, it's not a bad song, in and of itself. But it's not the immaculate conception of a song it'd have to be to justify the wait. It's not even as good as Pretty Tied Up.

    I don't think the wait was supposed to signify the quality, I guess it just was what it was - him not being happy with it. In all honesty, for a lot of people I don't think this record could fail to dissapoint them - the expectations are way too high. For me as a very casual fan who likes about a handful of songs I couldn't care less if it's good or bad.
  • JimBerkellJimBerkell Posts: 579
    facepollution wrote:
    I don't think the wait was supposed to signify the quality, I guess it just was what it was - him not being happy with it. In all honesty, for a lot of people I don't think this record could fail to dissapoint them - the expectations are way too high. For me as a very casual fan who likes about a handful of songs I couldn't care less if it's good or bad.

    I get what you're saying. I think most people might feel that way. I kinda feel the opposite... I have pretty darn low expectations for the album because it's just Axl + a million guests... were it the original lineup, sure my expectations would be really really high for this long a wait. So anything good that comes out of this will be a bonus for me. So far the single hasn't let me down because it's as generic as I expected.
    "You could have licked the lips of God, but you chose the pavement..." ~ These Arms Are Snakes
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    facepollution wrote:
    I don't think the wait was supposed to signify the quality, I guess it just was what it was - him not being happy with it. In all honesty, for a lot of people I don't think this record could fail to dissapoint them - the expectations are way too high. For me as a very casual fan who likes about a handful of songs I couldn't care less if it's good or bad.
    I never thought the ratio of waiting-to-song quality was gonna work in Axl's favour - but even if he wanted people to take this as "just another GnR album", as opposed to "the album he took 15 years to perfect", it still wouldn't be a great follow-up to the Illusion records.

    Also, to put this in perspective: since the Illusion records came out, Greg Dulli has released Gentlemen, Black Love, 1965, all four Twilight Singers albums, and the Gutter Twins stuff. Think about that for a minute. :p
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • PorchsitterPorchsitter Loganville, GA Posts: 1,078
    Not....good.
    We are the facilitators of our own creative evolution.--Bill Hicks
  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    Overproduced? What the hell do you think he's been doing for the past 15 years? Tweaking the album art?

    Being a GNR mark since I was 11, my biased opinion is that it is alright, but I've heard leaks that are far better than this song.

    From a marketing standpoint, I guess it makes sense to release the title track as the single.

    "You know where you are, you're in BEST BUY baby, you're gonna BUY"

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • aspoonfulweighsatonaspoonfulweighsaton Posts: 2,055
    This was always my least favorite of all the leaked tracks over the years. Why it's a single is beyond me... I mean I don't hate it but it is now way overproduced.

    With that being said, this album is going to be incredible. Will it live up to the hype? Of course not, but the ones complaining about that are the ones that created the hype in the first place.
  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    gnr+pj=2bestever wrote:
    This song was written waaaayyy before Velvet Revolver was even a thought. It was first performed in 2001. Get it right.
    When it was written and the finished product are two things that have nothing to so with one another.

    And that is right.
    "I'm here to see Pearl Jam."- Bono

    ...signed...the token black Pearl Jam fan.

    FaceSpace
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I never thought the ratio of waiting-to-song quality was gonna work in Axl's favour - but even if he wanted people to take this as "just another GnR album", as opposed to "the album he took 15 years to perfect", it still wouldn't be a great follow-up to the Illusion records.

    Also, to put this in perspective: since the Illusion records came out, Greg Dulli has released Gentlemen, Black Love, 1965, all four Twilight Singers albums, and the Gutter Twins stuff. Think about that for a minute. :p

    Lol, oh yeah I get that he's taken forever! You have to kind of give him credit for finally releasing it though. I don't think the long wait was anything to do with a quality control issue - it was more a mental issue that he had, and it would appear that he's finally realised that you can't force a 'classic' album.

    From what I've heard the new stuff is pretty solid, and it is a pretty huge task to release something after 15 years that doesn't sound dated, yet still maintains certain stylistic criteria for what would be expected from a G'N'R record.
  • gnr+pj=2bestevergnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    For your info:

    Caram Costanzo Co-Produced Chinese Democracy. He also produced Pearl Jam's, No Code.
    Whats got the whole world faking?
  • DocChicagoDocChicago Posts: 653
    gnr+pj=2bestever wrote:
    have you listened to the song?

    1) there most definitely is a chorus

    2) the verse riff is NOT the same as the chorus riff
    What's the matter with you? I already said I agree with you that there IS a chorus. Your issue is with dharma69, not me.

    You have to admit the riff is similar though.
    It is time to admit that we used to rock like hurricanes. It is time to run for the hills and go round and round. It is time for us to shout at the devil. We've got the right to choose it, there ain't no way we'll lose it, and we're not gonna take it anymore.
    - C. Klosterman
  • gnr+pj=2bestevergnr+pj=2bestever Posts: 358
    DocChicago wrote:
    What's the matter with you? I already said I agree with you that there IS a chorus. Your issue is with dharma69, not me.

    You have to admit the riff is similar though.

    oops sorry, wrong person about the chorus.

    As far as the riff though....it's along the same vein, but the verse is definitely more funky/bluesy/not power chords
    Whats got the whole world faking?
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