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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,390
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    The flip side of the identity politics argument that FiveBelow made is the put upon white people who need a scape goat for their problems and found some brown ones. 
    The article that started this conversation shouldn’t even be "news". Somebody got punished for breaking the law…riveting stuff. The rule of law underpins liberalism and is essential (regardless of identity) in any democracy, even in a power-brokered duopoly like the one we've somehow settled for. Exceptions needn’t be made, unless tribalism is the end goal.

    how many civil infractions garner incarceration ? with no criminal history to speak of?
    That’s up to the judicial system to decide. It’s also important to remember detainment is not incarceration. A few hours of detainment for 10 years of not wiping your ass isn’t that big of a deal, if you ask me.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,683
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,754
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,859
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    No it’s Nazi America 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,905
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    It's clear that the people who support this don't care about things like The Rule of Law or The Constitution. The current regime doesn't care about The Rule of Law or The Constitution so why should they.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,683
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    I can see how people think there is a violation. But I can also see a law enforcement perspective. If you are a citizen and you experience an excessive ICE interaction, you will have a recourse. But if you are not a citizen or otherwise do not have a legal right to be here, then be warned.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,683
    josevolution said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    No it’s Nazi America 

    Targeting of ethnic groups, and even horrible detention, does not equal mass murder. We can agree to disagree. But to compare what is happening with the concentration camps is just hyperbole and grandstanding.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    *The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

    “Just comply”. Because they “can” and “do”. Fuck the constitution and your rights, eh?



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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,655
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    or maybe you will die in custody. or maybe you will get "lost". or deported to a third country.

    have you been paying attention the last 10 months at all, or nah?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,655
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    *The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

    “Just comply”. Because they “can” and “do”. Fuck the constitution and your rights, eh?



    the constitution does not apply here at all. we are in lawless times for those in power.

    and those that support them... like some of us on here.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,976
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    *The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

    “Just comply”. Because they “can” and “do”. Fuck the constitution and your rights, eh?



    the constitution does not apply here at all. we are in lawless times for those in power.

    and those that support them... like some of us on here.

    *The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

    Some on here might even become “special prosecutors” when the special tribunals begin to prosecute the “enemies” of the state because they’ll “justify” it and them.
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  • Go Beavers
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    Get_Right said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    I can see how people think there is a violation. But I can also see a law enforcement perspective. If you are a citizen and you experience an excessive ICE interaction, you will have a recourse. But if you are not a citizen or otherwise do not have a legal right to be here, then be warned.
    Your first sentence suggests it’s not happening, despite the myriad of evidence of First and Fourth Amendment violations. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,859
    edited March 8
    Get_Right said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    I can see how people think there is a violation. But I can also see a law enforcement perspective. If you are a citizen and you experience an excessive ICE interaction, you will have a recourse. But if you are not a citizen or otherwise do not have a legal right to be here, then be warned.
    Ok so what recourse do the two Minneapolis folks who got murdered at point blank range have? 
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,683
    josevolution said:
    Get_Right said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    I can see how people think there is a violation. But I can also see a law enforcement perspective. If you are a citizen and you experience an excessive ICE interaction, you will have a recourse. But if you are not a citizen or otherwise do not have a legal right to be here, then be warned.
    Ok so what recourse do the two Minneapolis folks who got murdered at point blank range have? 

    I would guess there are civil lawsuits pending. Jose gun shots rarely happen for no reason although it does occur. If an officer stops you for broken tail light or a speeding violation, asks for ID, tells you to stop the car and get out what reason would you have to not provide ID? 99.99% percent of the time there is no issue. Bad things can happen when people think they know more than the rights of police officers in the US. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 41,094
    Get_Right said:
    josevolution said:
    Get_Right said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    I can see how people think there is a violation. But I can also see a law enforcement perspective. If you are a citizen and you experience an excessive ICE interaction, you will have a recourse. But if you are not a citizen or otherwise do not have a legal right to be here, then be warned.
    Ok so what recourse do the two Minneapolis folks who got murdered at point blank range have? 

    I would guess there are civil lawsuits pending. Jose gun shots rarely happen for no reason although it does occur. If an officer stops you for broken tail light or a speeding violation, asks for ID, tells you to stop the car and get out what reason would you have to not provide ID? 99.99% percent of the time there is no issue. Bad things can happen when people think they know more than the rights of police officers in the US. 
    one of the ICE agents was screaming at her to leave. so she complied with them. it is proven that these assholes purposely put themselves in situations where there is a grey area for them to use lethal force. Ask any cop. Standing in front of even motioning to the front of a vehicle is a basic part of their training NOT TO DO. She had no reason to believe she'd be shot in the face for driving away. 

    Alex was literally helping a woman get up who was violently pushed to the ground by these fascists. And they shot him in the back. 

    Keep defending it. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,655
    Get_Right said:
    josevolution said:
    Get_Right said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    I can see how people think there is a violation. But I can also see a law enforcement perspective. If you are a citizen and you experience an excessive ICE interaction, you will have a recourse. But if you are not a citizen or otherwise do not have a legal right to be here, then be warned.
    Ok so what recourse do the two Minneapolis folks who got murdered at point blank range have? 

    I would guess there are civil lawsuits pending. Jose gun shots rarely happen for no reason although it does occur. If an officer stops you for broken tail light or a speeding violation, asks for ID, tells you to stop the car and get out what reason would you have to not provide ID? 99.99% percent of the time there is no issue. Bad things can happen when people think they know more than the rights of police officers in the US. 
    we know our own rights. and the two victims in minnesota, those gunshots happened for no reason, so that blows the premise of your post right there.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,655
    hey everyone, lEt'S cElEbRaTe OuR aMeRiCaN pOlIcE sTaTe!!!
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,683
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Get_Right said:
    josevolution said:
    Get_Right said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Get_Right said:
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Our policies are more lenient than many places in the world. If you are here illegally at the moment, under the current administration, then you might not be safe. To be clear. There is aggressive enforcement going on. A civil infraction, or multiple infractions is enough. You are at risk of ICE enforcement. You might be 19, but ICE does not care and their enforcement tactics are harsh. If they catch you they are not putting you up at the Holiday Inn. You will go to detention, under shitty conditions and likely be deported.

    But you will not be sent to a death camp or a gas chamber. You will get fed. And maybe even clothed or receive medical treatment. It is not Nazi Germany Jose. Not even close. 
    Are you able to see how ice violates citizen’s constitutional rights? 
    I can see how people think there is a violation. But I can also see a law enforcement perspective. If you are a citizen and you experience an excessive ICE interaction, you will have a recourse. But if you are not a citizen or otherwise do not have a legal right to be here, then be warned.
    Ok so what recourse do the two Minneapolis folks who got murdered at point blank range have? 

    I would guess there are civil lawsuits pending. Jose gun shots rarely happen for no reason although it does occur. If an officer stops you for broken tail light or a speeding violation, asks for ID, tells you to stop the car and get out what reason would you have to not provide ID? 99.99% percent of the time there is no issue. Bad things can happen when people think they know more than the rights of police officers in the US. 
    we know our own rights. and the two victims in minnesota, those gunshots happened for no reason, so that blows the premise of your post right there.

    How about driving away from the police? Is that no reason?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,859
    Nah those two folks got murdered for no reason except that they were exercising their civil liberties rights! ICE is full of thugs that have been waiting and are itching to pull the trigger! I’ll never ever support their efforts 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,905
    josevolution said:
    Nah those two folks got murdered for no reason except that they were exercising their civil liberties rights! ICE is full of thugs that have been waiting and are itching to pull the trigger! I’ll never ever support their efforts 
    The supporters who defend the murderers actions are complicit.

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