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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,248
    So Putin should of just gone in to Kiev turned all the lights off in a bigly fashion and taken zelensky out of there and claimed rulership.......unreal behaviour 


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  • josevolution
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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/03/us-oil-trump-venezuela
    Maybe these corporations will wait till this cools down to start pumping money into it! 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,107
    edited January 4
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and bingo was his name-o

    Anyone even feeling the need to take the time to mention something about what Maduro is or is not in this context of unjust and illegal invading of another country, is an idiot.

    I agree - I honestly don't believe it's relevant. People seem to be saying it, ultimately, as a way to somehow excuse what America is doing on some level, which is crazy. That, or people are worried on a personal level that others will think they are Maduro supporters, lol, which is also crazy. 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,561
    edited January 4
    It’s like a weak back door justification. Ultimately what the US did was the bigger wrong, but it can both be wrong and he’s a POS dictator. 

    And yes, I understand the irony of saying this while under the rule of a POS dictator-lite
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Tim Simmons said:
    It’s like a weak back door justification. Ultimately what the US did was the bigger wrong, but it can both be wrong and he’s a POS dictator. 

    And yes, I understand the irony of saying this while under the rule of a POS dictator-lite

    I do not support what Trump did here without congressional approval, but Venezuela is not without blame. Venezuela stole upwards of two hundred billion dollars from the international community, about a quarter of that from America and American companies, ignored “international courts” and used that money to fund an illegal drug and murder operation into the states. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,107
    edited January 4
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It’s like a weak back door justification. Ultimately what the US did was the bigger wrong, but it can both be wrong and he’s a POS dictator. 

    And yes, I understand the irony of saying this while under the rule of a POS dictator-lite

    I do not support what Trump did here without congressional approval, but Venezuela is not without blame. Venezuela stole upwards of two hundred billion dollars from the international community, about a quarter of that from America and American companies, ignored “international courts” and used that money to fund an illegal drug and murder operation into the states. 

    Venezuela didn't steal anything. You can't steal what is yours. They nationalized their own natural resource. Whike this required an upheaval for the oil companies that were there (a risk they took when they decided to go there and drink from the well). And since when are the assests of oil companies the domain of the US government? Oh wait - hahahaha. 
    I wish Canada would nationalize all of its natural resources too, just like Norway nationalized their oil, to their own citizens' great benefit. Valling the nationalization of resources stealing is simply greedy rich fat cats claiming that nationalized resources are theirs, for their own profit, rather than for the benefit of the people. Now I'm not saying Venezuela used it to benefit its people of course, but that is beside the point. 
    I can't believe there are actually people buying that particular accusation, when he literally told us all that the US government is now going to steal Venezuela's oil. It's absolutely ludicrous!

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  • mickeyrat
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    Venezuela's interim government says it remains united behind Maduro - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/venezuelas-maduro-custody-trump-says-us-will-run-country-2026-01-04/
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,820
    edited January 5
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It’s like a weak back door justification. Ultimately what the US did was the bigger wrong, but it can both be wrong and he’s a POS dictator. 

    And yes, I understand the irony of saying this while under the rule of a POS dictator-lite

    I do not support what Trump did here without congressional approval, but Venezuela is not without blame. Venezuela stole upwards of two hundred billion dollars from the international community, about a quarter of that from America and American companies, ignored “international courts” and used that money to fund an illegal drug and murder operation into the states. 

    Venezuela didn't steal anything. You can't steal what is yours. They nationalized their own natural resource. Whike this required an upheaval for the oil companies that were there (a risk they took when they decided to go there and drink from the well). And since when are the assests of oil companies the domain of the US government? Oh wait - hahahaha. 
    I wish Canada would nationalize all of its natural resources too, just like Norway nationalized their oil, to their own citizens' great benefit. Valling the nationalization of resources stealing is simply greedy rich fat cats claiming that nationalized resources are theirs, for their own profit, rather than for the benefit of the people. Now I'm not saying Venezuela used it to benefit its people of course, but that is beside the point. 
    I can't believe there are actually people buying that particular accusation, when he literally told us all that the US government is now going to steal Venezuela's oil. It's absolutely ludicrous!


    I take him to mean those contracts with the various oil companies were equally advantageous to Venezuela and its citizens. And that they then got greedy....
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,107
    edited January 5
    mickeyrat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It’s like a weak back door justification. Ultimately what the US did was the bigger wrong, but it can both be wrong and he’s a POS dictator. 

    And yes, I understand the irony of saying this while under the rule of a POS dictator-lite

    I do not support what Trump did here without congressional approval, but Venezuela is not without blame. Venezuela stole upwards of two hundred billion dollars from the international community, about a quarter of that from America and American companies, ignored “international courts” and used that money to fund an illegal drug and murder operation into the states. 

    Venezuela didn't steal anything. You can't steal what is yours. They nationalized their own natural resource. Whike this required an upheaval for the oil companies that were there (a risk they took when they decided to go there and drink from the well). And since when are the assests of oil companies the domain of the US government? Oh wait - hahahaha. 
    I wish Canada would nationalize all of its natural resources too, just like Norway nationalized their oil, to their own citizens' great benefit. Valling the nationalization of resources stealing is simply greedy rich fat cats claiming that nationalized resources are theirs, for their own profit, rather than for the benefit of the people. Now I'm not saying Venezuela used it to benefit its people of course, but that is beside the point. 
    I can't believe there are actually people buying that particular accusation, when he literally told us all that the US government is now going to steal Venezuela's oil. It's absolutely ludicrous!


    I take him to mean those contracts with the various oil companies were equally advantageous to Venezuela and its citizens. And that they then got greedy....
    That isn't what he said. And that still isn't stealing billions from the US, which is what Trump is trying to make people believe. 
    This whole thing is just bananas. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Blink some more and then tell us you’re not lying Little Marco Rube.

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    And please blink some more while you tell us that it looks like shit, smells like shit but it’s not shit, eh?

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  • brianlux
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    edited January 5
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    World leaders have issued varying reactions after US forces captured Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro with his wife on Saturday.

    Here’s a round-up of what we’ve seen so far:

    • British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said he would continue talking to US counterparts about a transition to democracy. “We regarded Maduro as an illegitimate President and we shed no tears about the end of his regime,” he wrote on X.
    • French President Emmanuel Macron said Maduro had “gravely undermined the dignity of his own people.” Macron added that France wishes for a transition to democracy to be overseen by Edmundo González Urrutia, the former candidate in the disputed 2024 presidential election.
    • EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said she was following the situation “very closely.” She added that “any solution must respect international law and the UN Charter.”
    • Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva called the US strike on Venezuela a “serious affront” to the country’s sovereignty. The attack crossed an “unacceptable line,” he said.
    • Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel slammed what he called a “criminal” attack by the US on Venezuela in a post on X.
    • Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum shared a statement that said her government “strongly condemns and rejects” the attack.
    • Argentine President Javier Milei, an ally of US President Donald Trump, appeared to welcome the capture of Venezuela’s leader with a terse message on X: “Freedom advances! Long live freedom, damn it!”
    • China’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson said that China was “deeply shocked by and strongly condemns the U.S.’s blatant use of force against a sovereign state.”
    Seeing who condemned it leaves me conflicted. 
    I don't care who condemns it or doesn't. More bullshit world police from the US government. This never goes well, and it's never about what they say it's about. 

    countries should respond with kidnapping and removing trump. 

    Regarding the bolded, 100%, bud.  
    Once again, Orange Man defies the foundations of democracy by acting on his own, completely going against the constitution.  There is no defense for this shit.  I don't see how anyone can condone this kind of action and say they believe in democracy or are against fascism. This is a no brainer. 

     But then maybe some here don't believe in democracy and are OK with fascism.   I hope not.



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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,996
    My fear is that Putin/trump had a deal. Putin won't meddle in us taking more control over Venezuela and trump will back down even further on Ukraine.

    I hope I'm wrong.

    I don't necessarily think getting rid of Maduro is a bad thing but trump's talk doesn't match Rubio's. 

    And are we taxpayers going to be footing the bill for the oil infrastructure? Of course trump says that the oil companies will pay but something tells me it will be all of us.
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  • Spartanacus
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    Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river.  Y'all would have preferred our nation to be run by a moron and her tax swindling con man Tampon Tim.  Trump is doing his best to clean up this country, and if he needs to ruffle some feathers in third world corrupt narco terrorist countries like Venezuela, Columbia, Cuba, and Mexico, I'm all for it.  Mexico will be the fun one.  Everyone knows the cartels run it.  It really would be best for the US and Mexican people if the US not only took out the criminals in Mexico, but took it outright.  
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  • Go Beavers
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    Spartanacus said:
    Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river.  Y'all would have preferred our nation to be run by a moron and her tax swindling con man Tampon Tim.  Trump is doing his best to clean up this country, and if he needs to ruffle some feathers in third world corrupt narco terrorist countries like Venezuela, Columbia, Cuba, and Mexico, I'm all for it.  Mexico will be the fun one.  Everyone knows the cartels run it.  It really would be best for the US and Mexican people if the US not only took out the criminals in Mexico, but took it outright.  
    What’s the US running Venezuela look like to you? 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,996
    Spartanacus said:
    Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river.  Y'all would have preferred our nation to be run by a moron and her tax swindling con man Tampon Tim.  Trump is doing his best to clean up this country, and if he needs to ruffle some feathers in third world corrupt narco terrorist countries like Venezuela, Columbia, Cuba, and Mexico, I'm all for it.  Mexico will be the fun one.  Everyone knows the cartels run it.  It really would be best for the US and Mexican people if the US not only took out the criminals in Mexico, but took it outright.  
    lol...yeah his story about "narco terrorist" doesn't carry much after he pardons other narco terrorists

    your guy is a joke
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  • josevolution
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    Spartanacus said:
    Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river.  Y'all would have preferred our nation to be run by a moron and her tax swindling con man Tampon Tim.  Trump is doing his best to clean up this country, and if he needs to ruffle some feathers in third world corrupt narco terrorist countries like Venezuela, Columbia, Cuba, and Mexico, I'm all for it.  Mexico will be the fun one.  Everyone knows the cartels run it.  It really would be best for the US and Mexican people if the US not only took out the criminals in Mexico, but took it outright.  
    So take over Mexico Greenland what other countries would you have your savior pillager take over? How many American lives would you be willing to sacrifice to take over the western hemisphere? Fuckface pillager is no better than all the other dictators around the world 👋 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    I am failing to see how taking Maduro isn't a crime of International law.

    I also still don't understand how Taking Noriega wasn't either...

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