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MayDay10 · 2:04PM

Alabama beat Georgia, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, and Missouri. Notre Dame did not beat anyone at that level. Had 2 chances and lost them both.

Notre Dame plays the independent game with their weird, easy, 1-sided "rivalries", avoids conference championship games, and it usually works in their favor.

Miami had the head to head. I dont care if it was the first game of the season. You cant schedule your 2 hard games right off the bat and then try to claim the result doesnt matter if it isnt favorable.

Notre Dame should be in the Big 10 for football. Would be a challenging, normal schedule against mostly mid-west opponents. Things would be apples to apples and it would not leave much up for debate. They were a legit good team this season. This time that schedule worked against them.

Wobbie · 2:26PM

“mid-west opponents” like oregon, washington, UCLA, USC and rutgers. 🤪

but, yeah, not being in a conference hurts ND, except financially, and it’s of their own doing.

MayDay10 · 3:13PM

Wobbie said:

“mid-west opponents” like oregon, washington, UCLA, USC and rutgers. 🤪

but, yeah, not being in a conference hurts ND, except financially, and it’s of their own doing.

I believe the next progression will be for the big 4 to break away and essentially realign geographically again.

mrussel1 · 3:32PM

pearldavidson said:

darwinstheory said:

cutz said:

Wobbie said:

disclaimer: I’ve been a bama hater for as long as I can remember…

yeah, they beat goergia in athens…but besides losing to sucky FSU, I look at their last four…lost to OK, homecoming opponent, unimpressive win over sucky auburn, lost to georgia….I would have penalized them for that.

And after that Auburn game Alabama went ahead of ND. (ND beat Standford) To me that made no sense. Like you said, Alabama's win was not impressive and ND did what they should've done. With that flip-flop of the Ranking of those 2 teams pretty much was a guarantee that Alabama was in, regardless of how they played vs Georgia? I think so.

How about when the Committee head said the Committee penalized the way BYU played in their Championship game, but they didn't penalize Alabama for theirs's?

Yup. It was blatantly obvious that the fix was in. Like ND or hate them, there's no denying that some serious fuckery was going on here. Personally, I think Bama should have fallen out and ND and Miami should have made it.

Tuesday, they had ND in front of Miami. Since then, neither Miami nor ND has played. None of Miami season opponents played. One of NDs opponents played and won (Boise St).

Bama loses by 21 points and remains in 9th. Since 2014, every conference championship loser has dropped at least 1 spot. Every single one...except 1: Alabama in 2025.

I am glad ND opted to not play in a bowl game. ESPN can enjoy the revenue Duke (or whomever the ACC puts in there) gives them in that useless bowl game.

I think the fuckery here Is that JMU and Tulane are in the CFP. That being said, I believe ND should be in over Bama.

No, these are the agreed-upon rules. The top five rated conference champs are in. ND isn't in a conference and Duke isn't ranked. This not fuckery.

mrussel1 · 3:35PM

The committee's mistake, which they didn't see coming, was ranking ND ahead of Miami this whole time. But then they look and see there is no ACC team in the CFP. I think that's what changed it all.

Regarding Bama, if they would have nixed Bama after the loss, you would see bubble teams start opting out of playing for the conference championship. While I can agree that such a bad loss like Bama maybe should eliminate them, the reality is that if Bama didn't qualify to play in the SEC champ, they would not have been a controversial pick.

Wobbie · 4:03PM

mrussel1 said:

pearldavidson said:

darwinstheory said:

cutz said:

Wobbie said:

disclaimer: I’ve been a bama hater for as long as I can remember…

yeah, they beat goergia in athens…but besides losing to sucky FSU, I look at their last four…lost to OK, homecoming opponent, unimpressive win over sucky auburn, lost to georgia….I would have penalized them for that.

And after that Auburn game Alabama went ahead of ND. (ND beat Standford) To me that made no sense. Like you said, Alabama's win was not impressive and ND did what they should've done. With that flip-flop of the Ranking of those 2 teams pretty much was a guarantee that Alabama was in, regardless of how they played vs Georgia? I think so.

How about when the Committee head said the Committee penalized the way BYU played in their Championship game, but they didn't penalize Alabama for theirs's?

Yup. It was blatantly obvious that the fix was in. Like ND or hate them, there's no denying that some serious fuckery was going on here. Personally, I think Bama should have fallen out and ND and Miami should have made it.

Tuesday, they had ND in front of Miami. Since then, neither Miami nor ND has played. None of Miami season opponents played. One of NDs opponents played and won (Boise St).

Bama loses by 21 points and remains in 9th. Since 2014, every conference championship loser has dropped at least 1 spot. Every single one...except 1: Alabama in 2025.

I am glad ND opted to not play in a bowl game. ESPN can enjoy the revenue Duke (or whomever the ACC puts in there) gives them in that useless bowl game.

I think the fuckery here Is that JMU and Tulane are in the CFP. That being said, I believe ND should be in over Bama.

No, these are the agreed-upon rules. The top five rated conference champs are in. ND isn't in a conference and Duke isn't ranked. This not fuckery.

I don’t think he meant it was shady….just dumb. they talk about “the twelve best teams” but these rules don’t ensure that.

rumor has it, ND would have played BYU in a bowl. I would have liked seeing that…

eddiec · 4:18PM

mrussel1 said:

The committee's mistake, which they didn't see coming, was ranking ND ahead of Miami this whole time. But then they look and see there is no ACC team in the CFP. I think that's what changed it all.

This is the thing, and why ND is pissed off. How can you be ranked 9th, win, and then slip to 10th behind a team that barely won. Then be idle, and get jumped by another idle team to slip to 11th. Regardless of the head to head, it just doesn't sit right.

If ND were to join a league, wouldn't they just slot into the ACC since all their other sports teams are a part of it?

pjhawks · 4:23PM

mrussel1 said:

The committee's mistake, which they didn't see coming, was ranking ND ahead of Miami this whole time. But then they look and see there is no ACC team in the CFP. I think that's what changed it all.

Regarding Bama, if they would have nixed Bama after the loss, you would see bubble teams start opting out of playing for the conference championship. While I can agree that such a bad loss like Bama maybe should eliminate them, the reality is that if Bama didn't qualify to play in the SEC champ, they would not have been a controversial pick.

Agree but by their own words they punished BYU for their championship game performance and not Alabama.

Giving weekly updates on the standings just creates this controversy. Having ND ahead of Miami until this week where neither played then flipping them is a terrible look.

Unless you go strictly by computer rankings there is always going to be human bias. Certain programs and conferences get more benefit of the doubt than others. Alabama is going to get more leeway than a team like BYU.

MayDay10 · 4:23PM

Notre Dame vs BYU or Texas would have been a good watch. Honestly wont miss Notre Dame at all though and will still watch as many bowl games as I can.

The process is kind of dumb I guess. Doesn't help that Duke won the ACC somehow and BYU pooped their pants in the Big 12 Championship game. The process would be more clear if Notre Dame joined a conference though. An odd aberration that 2 of the top 5 conference winners are JMU and Tulane.

pearldavidson · 5:20PM

Wobbie said:

mrussel1 said:

pearldavidson said:

darwinstheory said:

cutz said:

Wobbie said:

disclaimer: I’ve been a bama hater for as long as I can remember…

yeah, they beat goergia in athens…but besides losing to sucky FSU, I look at their last four…lost to OK, homecoming opponent, unimpressive win over sucky auburn, lost to georgia….I would have penalized them for that.

And after that Auburn game Alabama went ahead of ND. (ND beat Standford) To me that made no sense. Like you said, Alabama's win was not impressive and ND did what they should've done. With that flip-flop of the Ranking of those 2 teams pretty much was a guarantee that Alabama was in, regardless of how they played vs Georgia? I think so.

How about when the Committee head said the Committee penalized the way BYU played in their Championship game, but they didn't penalize Alabama for theirs's?

Yup. It was blatantly obvious that the fix was in. Like ND or hate them, there's no denying that some serious fuckery was going on here. Personally, I think Bama should have fallen out and ND and Miami should have made it.

Tuesday, they had ND in front of Miami. Since then, neither Miami nor ND has played. None of Miami season opponents played. One of NDs opponents played and won (Boise St).

Bama loses by 21 points and remains in 9th. Since 2014, every conference championship loser has dropped at least 1 spot. Every single one...except 1: Alabama in 2025.

I am glad ND opted to not play in a bowl game. ESPN can enjoy the revenue Duke (or whomever the ACC puts in there) gives them in that useless bowl game.

I think the fuckery here Is that JMU and Tulane are in the CFP. That being said, I believe ND should be in over Bama.

No, these are the agreed-upon rules. The top five rated conference champs are in. ND isn't in a conference and Duke isn't ranked. This not fuckery.

I don’t think he meant it was shady….just dumb. they talk about “the twelve best teams” but these rules don’t ensure that.

rumor has it, ND would have played BYU in a bowl. I would have liked seeing that…

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mrussel1 · 5:43PM

pearldavidson said:

Wobbie said:

mrussel1 said:

pearldavidson said:

darwinstheory said:

cutz said:

Wobbie said:

disclaimer: I’ve been a bama hater for as long as I can remember…

yeah, they beat goergia in athens…but besides losing to sucky FSU, I look at their last four…lost to OK, homecoming opponent, unimpressive win over sucky auburn, lost to georgia….I would have penalized them for that.

And after that Auburn game Alabama went ahead of ND. (ND beat Standford) To me that made no sense. Like you said, Alabama's win was not impressive and ND did what they should've done. With that flip-flop of the Ranking of those 2 teams pretty much was a guarantee that Alabama was in, regardless of how they played vs Georgia? I think so.

How about when the Committee head said the Committee penalized the way BYU played in their Championship game, but they didn't penalize Alabama for theirs's?

Yup. It was blatantly obvious that the fix was in. Like ND or hate them, there's no denying that some serious fuckery was going on here. Personally, I think Bama should have fallen out and ND and Miami should have made it.

Tuesday, they had ND in front of Miami. Since then, neither Miami nor ND has played. None of Miami season opponents played. One of NDs opponents played and won (Boise St).

Bama loses by 21 points and remains in 9th. Since 2014, every conference championship loser has dropped at least 1 spot. Every single one...except 1: Alabama in 2025.

I am glad ND opted to not play in a bowl game. ESPN can enjoy the revenue Duke (or whomever the ACC puts in there) gives them in that useless bowl game.

I think the fuckery here Is that JMU and Tulane are in the CFP. That being said, I believe ND should be in over Bama.

No, these are the agreed-upon rules. The top five rated conference champs are in. ND isn't in a conference and Duke isn't ranked. This not fuckery.

I don’t think he meant it was shady….just dumb. they talk about “the twelve best teams” but these rules don’t ensure that.

rumor has it, ND would have played BYU in a bowl. I would have liked seeing that…

This

I don't think it's that easy to determine the best "12", which would heavily weigh the Big and SEC. I think the concept or assumption is that no Power conference would have a five loss team like Duke. That's fair, I wouldn't expect it either. It was very weird because Duke played NC State as a non-conference game.

Believing that taking the top 5 means the Power 4 plus one Group of Five. I think that's actually pretty reasonable, it just worked out weird. But again, it really is that the committee had ND above Miami that fucked everything.

cutz · 8:16PM

darwinstheory said:

cutz said:

Wobbie said:

disclaimer: I’ve been a bama hater for as long as I can remember…

yeah, they beat goergia in athens…but besides losing to sucky FSU, I look at their last four…lost to OK, homecoming opponent, unimpressive win over sucky auburn, lost to georgia….I would have penalized them for that.

And after that Auburn game Alabama went ahead of ND. (ND beat Standford) To me that made no sense. Like you said, Alabama's win was not impressive and ND did what they should've done. With that flip-flop of the Ranking of those 2 teams pretty much was a guarantee that Alabama was in, regardless of how they played vs Georgia? I think so.

How about when the Committee head said the Committee penalized the way BYU played in their Championship game, but they didn't penalize Alabama for theirs's?

Yup. It was blatantly obvious that the fix was in. Like ND or hate them, there's no denying that some serious fuckery was going on here. Personally, I think Bama should have fallen out and ND and Miami should have made it.

Tuesday, they had ND in front of Miami. Since then, neither Miami nor ND has played. None of Miami season opponents played. One of NDs opponents played and won (Boise St).

Bama loses by 21 points and remains in 9th. Since 2014, every conference championship loser has dropped at least 1 spot. Every single one...except 1: Alabama in 2025.

I am glad ND opted to not play in a bowl game. ESPN can enjoy the revenue Duke (or whomever the ACC puts in there) gives them in that useless bowl game.

WOW! I did not know that (EVERY single loser in every single Championship game dropped at least one spot). That makes it's worse what happened to ND, when they should've never been below Alabama after the last game of the Regular season Ranking.

I don't blame ND not wanting to practice for over 3 weeks just to play in a Glorified Exhibition Toilet Bowl game.

mrussel1 · 8:22PM

cutz said:

darwinstheory said:

cutz said:

Wobbie said:

disclaimer: I’ve been a bama hater for as long as I can remember…

yeah, they beat goergia in athens…but besides losing to sucky FSU, I look at their last four…lost to OK, homecoming opponent, unimpressive win over sucky auburn, lost to georgia….I would have penalized them for that.

And after that Auburn game Alabama went ahead of ND. (ND beat Standford) To me that made no sense. Like you said, Alabama's win was not impressive and ND did what they should've done. With that flip-flop of the Ranking of those 2 teams pretty much was a guarantee that Alabama was in, regardless of how they played vs Georgia? I think so.

How about when the Committee head said the Committee penalized the way BYU played in their Championship game, but they didn't penalize Alabama for theirs's?

Yup. It was blatantly obvious that the fix was in. Like ND or hate them, there's no denying that some serious fuckery was going on here. Personally, I think Bama should have fallen out and ND and Miami should have made it.

Tuesday, they had ND in front of Miami. Since then, neither Miami nor ND has played. None of Miami season opponents played. One of NDs opponents played and won (Boise St).

Bama loses by 21 points and remains in 9th. Since 2014, every conference championship loser has dropped at least 1 spot. Every single one...except 1: Alabama in 2025.

I am glad ND opted to not play in a bowl game. ESPN can enjoy the revenue Duke (or whomever the ACC puts in there) gives them in that useless bowl game.

WOW! I did not know that (EVERY single loser in every single Championship game dropped at least one spot). That makes it's worse what happened to ND, when they should've never been below Alabama after the last game of the Regular season Ranking.

I don't blame ND not wanting to practice for over 3 weeks just to play in a Glorified Exhibition Toilet Bowl game.

They spent 30 years playing in exactly those bowls.

cutz · 8:29PM

eddiec said:

mrussel1 said:

The committee's mistake, which they didn't see coming, was ranking ND ahead of Miami this whole time. But then they look and see there is no ACC team in the CFP. I think that's what changed it all.

This is the thing, and why ND is pissed off. How can you be ranked 9th, win, and then slip to 10th behind a team that barely won. Then be idle, and get jumped by another idle team to slip to 11th. Regardless of the head to head, it just doesn't sit right.

If ND were to join a league, wouldn't they just slot into the ACC since all their other sports teams are a part of it?

This right here(BOLD)

Yes, I would think ND would go into the ACC.

Miami should be in over ND since they beat them (by 3 points) so that made no sense how the committee ranked them and ND.

How frustrated are the ND players with the way this(ranking) played out for them? (And with both of their loses by a combined 4 points)

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