Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

I guess the opposite is also true? What would be the benefit of a career politician with no working experience?

the people chose

I believe Mr. Poilievre’s time is now limited with losing seats with the floor crossing and resignation. Will there be more?

Although I do not completely agree with floor crossing, it is the current rule. Maybe they should have to sit as an independent or face a byelection?

by the way, do you think Mr. Poilievre is interested in the day to day issues of the riding he was parachuted into? His constituents in Carleton felt neglected.

Poilievre opened a local constituency office within days of winning the byelection, ensuring the staff in the office can begin to address local concerns, bringing them to Poilievre’s attention when appropriate.

that wasn't what was asked. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

erebus said:

I guess the opposite is also true? What would be the benefit of a career politician with no working experience?

the people chose

I believe Mr. Poilievre’s time is now limited with losing seats with the floor crossing and resignation. Will there be more?

Although I do not completely agree with floor crossing, it is the current rule. Maybe they should have to sit as an independent or face a byelection?

by the way, do you think Mr. Poilievre is interested in the day to day issues of the riding he was parachuted into? His constituents in Carleton felt neglected.

Poilievre opened a local constituency office within days of winning the byelection, ensuring the staff in the office can begin to address local concerns, bringing them to Poilievre’s attention when appropriate.

that wasn't what was asked. 

Do I expect a politician to be aware of every single issue brought forward by their constituents? No, that’s what their CONSTITUENCY STAFF is for, triaging citizens concerns.

Looks like Carney’s local MP staff finally got their act together, but still no good explanation for the delay.

Edited to use the same visual source as my previous post.

Zod said:

erebus said:

I thought Ford may run for Conservative leader also, but he has too many skeletons. I haven’t voted for him, but I don’t completely hate what he does. The opposition has been fairly weak lately.

on a federal note, I hope the Cons and Bloq do not support the budget and bring down the government.
I believe PP would lose again and be ousted from his party and the Liberals would pick up a majority.
will have to wait and see how PP totally shits on the budget but avoids an election.

I am surprised the conservative party doesn't hold a leadership review.   I'm not sure PP can win an election.  Too many Canadians don't like his style, and the only reason he was going to get a bunch of votes before the US election, was because people trying to oust Trudeau.  

It seems weird to me that the Cons would stick with PP when many Canadians won't vote for him, rather then see if they can find another person?

I suppose they could wait a while to see if the same hatred builds up for Carney, but it may not, who knows, but you don't need PP to be leader for that.  Maybe put someone else in charge for closely contested elections.

100 percent.  I've been saying this for a while and now remarkably you have a small mutiny going on in the party.  Not at all where they want to be. 

@Darth... I can only speak personally here...   I didn't like Trudeau. At all. And more recently.. I was actually a bit surprised at the blow back PP received for suggesting that he should have been arrested etc.  I mean... to me... he's not wrong at all. I truly believe Trudeau benefitted from being just a less corrupt politician than Trump during a lot of his tenure. 

That said. PP has done little to nothing to motivate me to support the cons. And at present issue in our political environment.. I still choose to criticize him for the dumb things he does and says. In contrast to Carney... if I had to vote again right now... Carney.  For what it's worth...  I'm not anti-conservative with regards to policy and some values... but the behaviours and actions of Pierre and those around him.... they need to re-evaluate. 

Parksy said:

@Darth... I can only speak personally here...   I didn't like Trudeau. At all. And more recently.. I was actually a bit surprised at the blow back PP received for suggesting that he should have been arrested etc.  I mean... to me... he's not wrong at all. I truly believe Trudeau benefitted from being just a less corrupt politician than Trump during a lot of his tenure. 

That said. PP has done little to nothing to motivate me to support the cons. And at present issue in our political environment.. I still choose to criticize him for the dumb things he does and says. In contrast to Carney... if I had to vote again right now... Carney.  For what it's worth...  I'm not anti-conservative with regards to policy and some values... but the behaviours and actions of Pierre and those around him.... they need to re-evaluate. 

I just laugh at how much criticism is thrown at one of the Opposition parties, but there’s virtually no discussion about the government’s policies, either lauding them or criticizing them.

 I’m quite confident saying this will change when the CPC forms government again.

The CPC presented voters with two reasonable leaders and Canadians voted (sort of, look at the popular vote) for Trudeau’s bluster and histrionics, therefore leading to Poilievre as CPC leader in my opinion who matched Trudeau in that regard.

Instead of calling Carney a flip-flopper (Erin O’Toole) based on his campaign rhetoric and subsequent kowtowing to Trump, he’s praised. Remember when it was treasonous for Andrew Scheer held dual citizenship, yet Carney hold 3 passports and we hear crickets.

when was Scheer a traitor, exactly? I don't recall that being a thing

HughFreakingDillon said:

when was Scheer a traitor, exactly? I don't recall that being a thing

Check your memory or do some research before shitting on the points of view of others.

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am not a fan of Doug Ford either, and am legit worried about him becoming PM someday - I actually think he might have a good shot at it, which is disturbing. But I don't mind saying that I do kind of like how he deals with the Trump issue. 

To put it very mildly, I'm no fan of Trump.  But like chess, you have to understand your adversary. Based strictly on numbers... if Trump maintains his trade war with Canada, he wins. Who he hurts, etc. doesn't matter, especially to him. But by the numbers, he wins. So... we find ourselves at that disadvantage. If I'm Ford... or Carney.. and I don't like what Trump is doing...  you have to navigate delicately or you'll be undoubtedly burned. 

This goes way beyond Trump, ultimately. I expect the US to sink farther and farther into the abyss over time. It is not going to reign over the world's economy forever. I am excited that all of this, including Trump's temper tantrums against Canada, is finally forcing Canada to begin its shift away from the US economically. I know it will be painful, but Canada has to slowly start making that economic shift now rather than later, because ultimately, over many generations into the future, as the US continues its inevitable decline, Canada will be in a better position. That ad helped that in its own little way. 

I very respectfully disagree.  And that may be because I'm clinging onto hope that America smartens the fuck up. Not that it has a great history or track record to begin with but Trumpism is just insanity. 

A good relationship with America is the best path forward for Canada. For obvious logistical and military reasons, but also cultural. I understand why a lot of people don't want to hear that now... but looking ahead it makes sense. 

And what we're doing or planning on doing is also just odd.  We're 'diversifying' our trade relations sure, which is good. But our best dance partner seems to be China. Last I checked, they're not exactly a shining diamond compared to America. Amongst the long list of reasons that makes them shitty, they also recently tried to manipulate our elections etc.

Sad to say... but the world is getting fucked by a lot of assholes with money, power, and big weapons. 

Disclaimer: I understand the following comment is purely theoretical... however... 

Canada is unique in a few ways looking ahead to say 2050. We have oil, land, and critical minerals. We also two other things that I think will play a role in the future due to climate change. Fresh water and the arctic passage.  If... If things keep going the way they're going... rising temperatures, melting ice etc.... two things will happen up north:  1. Ecosystems will go bye-bye. (the common person cares, but governments and corporations do not.) 2. The northwest passage will become accessible for trade.  Canada becomes the new Panama. Speaking plainly, we either have now or will in the future have what other people want. I know the way Carney speaks now is very positive which is good. But... I just don't think we're powerful enough to make ourselves the great nation we could be. We don't have the people and we really, really, really don't have the military.

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

Parksy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am not a fan of Doug Ford either, and am legit worried about him becoming PM someday - I actually think he might have a good shot at it, which is disturbing. But I don't mind saying that I do kind of like how he deals with the Trump issue. 

To put it very mildly, I'm no fan of Trump.  But like chess, you have to understand your adversary. Based strictly on numbers... if Trump maintains his trade war with Canada, he wins. Who he hurts, etc. doesn't matter, especially to him. But by the numbers, he wins. So... we find ourselves at that disadvantage. If I'm Ford... or Carney.. and I don't like what Trump is doing...  you have to navigate delicately or you'll be undoubtedly burned. 

This goes way beyond Trump, ultimately. I expect the US to sink farther and farther into the abyss over time. It is not going to reign over the world's economy forever. I am excited that all of this, including Trump's temper tantrums against Canada, is finally forcing Canada to begin its shift away from the US economically. I know it will be painful, but Canada has to slowly start making that economic shift now rather than later, because ultimately, over many generations into the future, as the US continues its inevitable decline, Canada will be in a better position. That ad helped that in its own little way. 

I very respectfully disagree.  And that may be because I'm clinging onto hope that America smartens the fuck up. Not that it has a great history or track record to begin with but Trumpism is just insanity. 

A good relationship with America is the best path forward for Canada. For obvious logistical and military reasons, but also cultural. I understand why a lot of people don't want to hear that now... but looking ahead it makes sense. 

And what we're doing or planning on doing is also just odd.  We're 'diversifying' our trade relations sure, which is good. But our best dance partner seems to be China. Last I checked, they're not exactly a shining diamond compared to America. Amongst the long list of reasons that makes them shitty, they also recently tried to manipulate our elections etc.

Sad to say... but the world is getting fucked by a lot of assholes with money, power, and big weapons. 

Disclaimer: I understand the following comment is purely theoretical... however... 

Canada is unique in a few ways looking ahead to say 2050. We have oil, land, and critical minerals. We also two other things that I think will play a role in the future due to climate change. Fresh water and the arctic passage.  If... If things keep going the way they're going... rising temperatures, melting ice etc.... two things will happen up north:  1. Ecosystems will go bye-bye. (the common person cares, but governments and corporations do not.) 2. The northwest passage will become accessible for trade.  Canada becomes the new Panama. Speaking plainly, we either have now or will in the future have what other people want. I know the way Carney speaks now is very positive which is good. But... I just don't think we're powerful enough to make ourselves the great nation we could be. We don't have the people and we really, really, really don't have the military.

a good cordial relationship is paramount-but I do think it's good we're becoming more independent. I'm not as cynical as pjsoul is about the US-I don't think they'll sink into the abyss, but I do think we are witnessing them losing their superpower status in real time. Mind you, that will likely take decades to fully unfold, but I do agree that this won't stop after trump is gone. Their politics are absolutely toxic and untenable long term.