Canadian Politics Redux

DarthMaeglin

erebus said:

Honest question? Are you pro Conservative or just anti Liberal?

the Conservative Party in my opinion is in disarray and it will be sometime before they regain power with the current cast of characters.

no the Liberals are not perfect, but they are tolerable.

I’d say I’m equally both, but more importantly to me I’m focused on criticizing the current government (regardless of party) instead of the opposition.

The Liberal Party, both federally and provincially, have been disappointments to me, especially the last 20 years. The McGuinty/Wynne Liberals seemingly couldn’t cause scandals that didn’t involve a billion dollars as the starting point. Federally I’m well-documented here about the Trudeau Liberals, they’re the main reason Trump has us bent over a barrel currently, and Carney hasn’t done much to win me over other than putting his elbows down and kissing Trump’s ass (I think soft hands work better against Trump). That’s part of my problem with the Liberals as well: too often they say anything to get elected, and if they win they often do the opposite (I’ll also point to the continued existence of the GST as an example).

As to supporting the Conservatives, I’ll reiterate that on my own 3 pillars of government (the economy, the military, law and order) over my life it’s been the Conservatives that have delivered policies and legislation that are more in line with my thoughts and values. I suppose I prefer a bit of prudence from my government, which is a more likely trait with Conservatives.

HughFreakingDillon

facts are pesky. 

kept or partially kept 74% of promises. 

https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

facts are pesky. 

kept or partially kept 74% of promises. 

https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau

Harper beat him, lol.

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

facts are pesky. 

kept or partially kept 74% of promises. 

https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau

The website has Harper in office for 1500 days (not accurate), and actually lists Trudeau as “still in office”. So I think it’s fair to question their accuracy.

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

facts are pesky. 

kept or partially kept 74% of promises. 

https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau

To be fair, this seems to be the only group engaged in this analysis, and they do post their methodology transparently.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

facts are pesky. 

kept or partially kept 74% of promises. 

https://www.polimeter.org/en/trudeau

Harper beat him, lol.

Good for Harper. The people voted for him, so the more he got accomplished for the majority of voters is a good thing, even if I disagree with some of those accomplishments. 

There are a few promises, big ones, that JT didn’t keep (election reform) which was one of the reasons I voted for him. First past the post is stupid and unfair to the west. 

DarthMaeglin

Not sure where this falls on the “promises kept” spectrum, but it’s what the people voted for, knowing the cast of characters hadn’t really changed.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/liberals-are-already-missing-their-promised-lower-immigration-targets?itm_source=index

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

By that reply I can only infer that you aren’t actually interested in discussion.

You said (in another deleted post) that I was denying my words, which was your false reading, not mine. I have reread the post you call disgusting and fucking gross and still hold those views.

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

I remain baffled how you’re allowed to talk to people the way you do here.

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

By that reply I can only infer that you aren’t actually interested in discussion.

You said (in another deleted post) that I was denying my words, which was your false reading, not mine. I have reread the post you call disgusting and fucking gross and still hold those views.

I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone as long as it's in good faith. this one isn't. 

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

I remain baffled how you’re allowed to talk to people the way you do here.

What in the post you quoted is too harsh for your virgin ears? You literally got a time out for cussing me out, which I've never done to a single soul here. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

By that reply I can only infer that you aren’t actually interested in discussion.

You said (in another deleted post) that I was denying my words, which was your false reading, not mine. I have reread the post you call disgusting and fucking gross and still hold those views.

I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone as long as it's in good faith. this one isn't. 

You’re right, you’re not.

My struggle was how hostile I would approach this, but I doubt that thought entered your consciousness. I tried to be polite.

Just like you pissed on my (now-deleted) concern for you.

HughFreakingDillon

Your implication that not 100% residential school attendees were abused as a reason for it either a) not to be judged by today's standards or b) further "proof" that are no mass graves and c) the fact that the word genocide didn't exist when it happens is grounds for excusing it ('it was just the times' attitude) was what I found gross. The last school closed IN THE NINETIES FFS. 

DarthMaeglin

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

I remain baffled how you’re allowed to talk to people the way you do here.

What in the post you quoted is too harsh for your virgin ears? You literally got a time out for cussing me out, which I've never done to a single soul here. 

You’ve bluntly told me that I have reading comprehension issues, now it’s my turn to tell you the same.

PJ_Soul

Guys, please don't get my thread closed. 

My inbox started flooding with post notifications from you two, so I knew I had to come and plead for a ceasefire.  

HughFreakingDillon

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

To me the monarchy represents order through oppression and subjugation. Not to mention attempted genocide and invading and taking over nearly every country they wanted. 

They represent everything I came to loathe about how parents expected their children to behave, and generally how society was expected to act. 

You can teach a kid good manners without beating it into them. Same goes for the rest of society. 

Respect those that rose to financial prominence off the backs of others? Considering people are superior because of their bloodline? I suppose is a hallmark of conservatism. BLECH

You’d likely find many monarchists who aren’t a part of your most hated group (Conservatives). And as many Conservatives who don’t support the monarchy. Seriously, give the stereotyping a break, it rarely adds to the discussion. BLECH?

 I didn’t know the monarch went around beating manners into people, not sure where that came from.

 The revisionist history (we didn’t even have the word genocide until the 20th century, after the vast majority of colonialism had concluded) is more harmful than helpful since it doesn’t allow for any nuance or acceptance that it was a different world then, and often uses selective readings of the facts (look at the recent treatment of Henry Dundas).

Fuck, last time I acknowledge the government doing something I agree with, lol.

Absolutely. Sarcasm. Anecdotally, I am close friends with a gay couple whose lives seem to revolve around the royals. Big liberals. Have a picture of themselves with JT in their backyard in their living room. I know, you just threw up in your mouth s little, didn’t you lol. 

I don’t hate conservatives. That’s absurd. I know and love many conservatives. I have a Maple MAGA uncle. I have cousins that are proudly “fuck Trudeau-ers”. So does my wife. They are (mostly) lovely people. I also have liberal family I can’t stand lol. 

Edit to add: I simply don’t relate to the conservative view. I mean, our entire existence is based on progress, not stagnation. And my comment about “hallmark of conservativism” was meant in the vein that conservatives prefer tradition, keeping things the same. 

I just can’t understand reverence for a group that puts itself above others. I don’t care if we didn’t have the language for what they did back then. Same reason the catholic church is evil. No amount of progressive popes can erase their abhorrent past. 

That excuse of “don’t judge past actions by today’s standards” reads like my father’s view on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous. 

Diana was a bright spot in the royal family, and wanted to use her influence for good. Liz hated her for that. And it cost her her life. That’s all I need to know. Tradition trumps good. 

I consider the Royals kinda like The Empire in Star Wars. I’m no jedi, but I certainly ain’t no storm trooper. 

For me the worst thing the Canadian federal conservative party did was drop the word “progressive” because that word has basically been weaponized against them, implying that the party is somehow regressive. If I’m forced to identify myself politically I still call myself a progressive conservative.

Maybe conservatism has more to do with being cautious, not regressive?

Again, respect, not reverence. But this is the crowd that liked Trudeau sticking his tongue out at the photographer when he was retrieving his chair from the House of Commons, fuck what the room represents.

I can’t tell if you believe in one of the theories that Diana was murdered or what, or if you blame the Royals. Maybe you can clarify what exactly you meant.

 I hate this saying but “sorry, not sorry” I will never agree with revisionist history. The only fucking thing that needs pursuing in regards to history is accuracy and perhaps acknowledgement of the progress that has been made. Too bad we won’t be around to see how harshly history judges us.

 The DISinformation that accompanies this revisionist history is the worst part of it. Anecdotally I was watching a show on our provincial tv channel called Truth & Lies, and it claimed to provide a more accurate account of our history. Then, during the segment about residential schools (which gave the strong impression that every single child was abused, full stop) as proof of the atrocities they talked about the recent discovery of “mass graves”, which we know isn’t true, and that many of those first 215 will likely turn out to be not human remains. If the excavation ever starts.

Again, for false reading of the record I point to Henry Dundas and Sankofa Square. They took his name off the square after he was grossly misrepresented. Then the name Sankofa was chosen (with no real public input), a word that has a nice meaning but comes from an African country that was known for selling other tribes into slavery. Ooops?

 I very strongly feel I don’t have the moral right to judge people from history the same way I won’t judge the panhandler on the street. They were people of the time they lived in and that I will never (mostly thankfully) experience. Maybe that’s a perspective that hasn’t really been considered?

Alternatively, humans may find in the future that conformity does ensure the survival of the species and therefore the individualism that we hold so precious will be seen as evil. What then? Join the (from a certain point of view) Rebel Alliance I suppose, lol.

I was reminded of this disgusting post when I came across this. I guess cuz maybe not 100% of the kids were abused then maybe it wasn't a genocide, or the kids weren't murdered and then disappeared? fucking GROSS. 

https://osi-bis.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/1.OSI-Sites-of-Truth-Sites-of-Conscience.pdf

I’ve really struggled with how to respond to this demeaning post.

First, I would appreciate it if you could clarify what exactly is disgusting, because I feel like you’ve missed my point again and seized onto a tidbit that offends you.

 Secondly, why couldn’t you just post your information without dragging me into it?

so you want me to politely help you understand after you "struggled to respond" when you actually did respond with "F*** you a**h***", which got deleted by the mods? and you are now misrepresenting that with your "struggle". 

talk about revisionist history. 

By that reply I can only infer that you aren’t actually interested in discussion.

You said (in another deleted post) that I was denying my words, which was your false reading, not mine. I have reread the post you call disgusting and fucking gross and still hold those views.

I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone as long as it's in good faith. this one isn't. 

You’re right, you’re not.

My struggle was how hostile I would approach this, but I doubt that thought entered your consciousness. I tried to be polite.

Just like you pissed on my (now-deleted) concern for you.

that's hilarious. whenever someone posts "I hope you're ok" in a very passive aggressive post like you did and then tries to imply it was genuine concern is just really, really, weak trolling. I see it all the time around here. It infers the poster's opinion isn't valid and is out of nothing but some kind of misguided emotional reaction.  It's the online equivalent of dismissing a woman as being hysterical because of that time of the month. 

It just showed me how weak your position was. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Guys, please don't get my thread closed. 

My inbox started flooding with post notifications from you two, so I knew I had to come and plead for a ceasefire.  

haha, all good. who got the first one closed? was it thirty? haha, he and I had some good go 'rounds.