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i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.

He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.

he should have the memorial in dc. 

if we are going to have a rememberence day for kirk, not an elected official, lincoln should have one too. his own day. i think the shared holiday with washington is bullshit. lincoln was infinitely more influential and worthy or being remembered than kirk.

the only reason kirk is being remembered is because he was shot. if this were a heart attack in his 50s, there would be no such day.

I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot. None of this martyrdom makes sense to me. 

You and probably over 90% of the Country? or 99%?

I've only seen the name before, while scrolling Twitter, but I knew next to nothing about him.

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This fucking guy. So who’s going to admit they tuned into the CCOOTWH stroke fest and watched the whole thing? Fess up.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/21/us/video/trump-charlie-kirk-memorial-digvid

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe Miller's remarks and trump's at that "memorial"....it was a fucking political rally

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The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

How does one in Utah go radical left?

Binge watching the West Wing? 

Read A Moving Train message boards?

the bitterness

Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?

west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.

had a nice long post for u the other day  about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.

No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.

I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left".  That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect.  Good grief! 

It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".

When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful. 

Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?

and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.

I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc.  Many of the things that CK was decidedly not.  I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.

Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.  

I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them.  Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs.  It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs. 

My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job?  Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit.  I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.

I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood?  I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.

If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains.  But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.    

Your bottom paragraph is EXACTLY how I explain it to cons/religious folk. JC certainly would have been left, he certainly WAS woke, and he absolutely was a radical. 

( 🙋‍♂️Agnostic here)

The problem is that the textbook definition of woke is different than the practical definition we often see play out. 
Textbook definition is to be aware of racial or social injustices. Which we should be doing.
The problem is when a company takes that, and like United Airlines, says that 50% of all new hires must be of a minority group. I don't think that's a practical application of being woke. Or, when I worked in Colorado, I was literally told by admin that we can't discipline minority students because "it makes us looks racist." How well do you think those minority schools worked out? Most people would see that as a woke approach to a problem. SO when I, or people in my circles, complain about something being woke, I'm talking about these asinine policies that have developed about race. A kid can cuss me out, and if he's white he gets suspended, if he's black I'm told ignore it. Literally. 

Do you have a source for the united 50% reference? I’m interested in reading that. 

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josevolution said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe Miller's remarks and trump's at that "memorial"....it was a fucking political rally

I bet it was full of fear tactics but you know Christian’s all full of peaceful messaging love thy neighbor! 

Yeah Kirk's widow talking about forgiving the shooter then trump gets up there and ad libs how he "disagrees with Charlie...I don't want my opponents to do well"....what an ass