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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,202
    DE4173 said:

    Well there’s a list of 95 people that should be primaried 
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,197
    yup
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,827
    static111 said:
    DE4173 said:

    Well there’s a list of 95 people that should be primaried 
    probably live in purple district and did not want to risk losing. sad that it has to be that way. imagine voting for this.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,827
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,202
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    static111 said:
    DE4173 said:

    Well there’s a list of 95 people that should be primaried 
    probably live in purple district and did not want to risk losing. sad that it has to be that way. imagine voting for this.
    No excuse 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,087
    static111 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    static111 said:
    DE4173 said:

    Well there’s a list of 95 people that should be primaried 
    probably live in purple district and did not want to risk losing. sad that it has to be that way. imagine voting for this.
    No excuse 
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  • mace1229
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    edited September 20
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,827
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.
    he should have the memorial in dc. 

    if we are going to have a rememberence day for kirk, not an elected official, lincoln should have one too. his own day. i think the shared holiday with washington is bullshit. lincoln was infinitely more influential and worthy or being remembered than kirk.

    the only reason kirk is being remembered is because he was shot. if this were a heart attack in his 50s, there would be no such day.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,827
    another thing. 

    has anyone noticed that the news coverage is not about kirk anymore? it is now about trump's assault on the first amendment and the abc/kimmel situation. and people are talking about epstein again. leave it to trump to fumble this situation. they were going to try to milk this kirk assassination for a lot longer than this. now they can't because of how trump handled the situation while it was still fluid.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    edited September 20
      * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

    This is what is disgusting to me. This idea that if we just accept Charlie for his expression of thought and ideas and discuss them civilly, all will be well. The framing of this issue, currently, pretends that both sides are the same, that both sides have valid arguments and ideas. Are you fucking kidding me? 95 Dems voted to honor a POS. Turn out the lights.

    Here’s what I’m specifically speaking to:

    Charlie Kirk DM’d me before he was murdered. Here’s what he said

    The day before he was horrifically murdered, Charlie Kirk sent me a direct message on X.

    He and I had been sparring publicly over the killing of a Ukrainian refugee and its relationship to race.

    He said the gruesome killing of a White woman by a Black man was motivated solely by anti-White hatred. I denounced those comments on CNN as unfounded. He went on TV and denounced MY denunciation. Then he unleashed a firehose of tweets, challenging my argument.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/van-jones-charlie-kirk-message

    Van’s argument:

    We can choose to go the way of more violence, more outrage and more censorship — if we want to.

    We? Who is he talking about, we? After all the outrageous attacks on the left, everything from Sandy Hook to Tree of Life to Pulse to Pelosi’s husband and Minnesota State reps, there’s only one “straight, through line.” “We” haven’t responded with violence. “We” haven’t responded with censorship. “We” haven’t responded with “more outrage.” What in the actual fuck?

    Meanwhile, the march, or should I say, goose stepping, toward authoritarianism continues unabated and further unleashed. Charlie is laughing while he turns. I leave Van with these, from his own network’s website (and it doesn’t even touch on the twin, disgusting tragedies of Ukraine and the genocide of Gaza, as ‘Murikkka mourns Charlie):

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/trump-h1b-visa-fee

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/trump-asks-supreme-court-to-let-him-deport-300-000-venezuelans

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/20/politics/palestinian-students-us-visas-withdrawn

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/free-speech-trump

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/trump-letitia-james-fire-us-attorney

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/trans-passport-marker-supreme-court-trump

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/military-strike-alleged-drug-trafficking-vessel

    If you, general you, think they’ll stop because Dems will sit down and politely discuss the issues and agree to disagree nicely and civilly, and offer something up that’s more palatable to a greater number of Americans, you’re, again, general you, are sadly mistaken.

    Thoughts and prayers.

    PS: I wonder if anyone, including Van, described the murders of the kids at Sandy Hook, George Floyd, Brionna Taylor or the Minnesota state dem and her husband as “horrific” when they first wrote or said their piece/peace? What makes Charlie’s murder “horrific” versus the others? That it was live? Replayed and watched incessantly? The blood and gore? The attack on “free speech”? Gonna have to do some digging for some quotes and handwringing.
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  • mace1229
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    edited September 20
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.
    he should have the memorial in dc. 

    if we are going to have a rememberence day for kirk, not an elected official, lincoln should have one too. his own day. i think the shared holiday with washington is bullshit. lincoln was infinitely more influential and worthy or being remembered than kirk.

    the only reason kirk is being remembered is because he was shot. if this were a heart attack in his 50s, there would be no such day.
    So as I understand it., the day of remembrance is only this year, not a running thing. It’s not a holiday, nothing closes, and just for one day where the government says “hey, let’s remember this guy” and that’s it. So it seems kinda pointless to me, and therefore nothing to be upset about even if you don’t like him. Is there more to it than that? Is anything actually going to happen on October14 as a result of this that affects any of us? I’m really asking because it sounds like it’s just a day where they ask us to remember him and probably lower the flags again. Most people probably won’t even remember that it’s a thing when it rolls around unless the news reminds them.
    The only reason we have an MLK day is for the same reason. If he died of old age in his 80s you think that would be a holiday? Not that it shouldn’t, but being assassinated naturally puts an emphasis on a person .
    I agree about Lincoln. I actually didn’t know it was a shared holiday until about 15 years ago when I moved out of California. Because there it is a state holiday and I always had both days off of school growing up.
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,197
    edited September 20
    you are right, I don’t have to do shit about this guy. Pretty much every day is a National whatever day and I rarely reflect on the stuff. This is no different. 

    I think a bigger point is this is a ridiculous thing given his contributions and statutes in society. 

    MLK was a transformative figure leading to societal betterment. Charlie Kirk had a podcast and reveled in being divisive. 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,197
    edited September 20
    To say nothing of ‘ANOTHER thing for this guy?” 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    NVM
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  • GlowGirl
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.
    he should have the memorial in dc. 

    if we are going to have a rememberence day for kirk, not an elected official, lincoln should have one too. his own day. i think the shared holiday with washington is bullshit. lincoln was infinitely more influential and worthy or being remembered than kirk.

    the only reason kirk is being remembered is because he was shot. if this were a heart attack in his 50s, there would be no such day.
    I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot. None of this martyrdom makes sense to me. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,827
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.
    he should have the memorial in dc. 

    if we are going to have a rememberence day for kirk, not an elected official, lincoln should have one too. his own day. i think the shared holiday with washington is bullshit. lincoln was infinitely more influential and worthy or being remembered than kirk.

    the only reason kirk is being remembered is because he was shot. if this were a heart attack in his 50s, there would be no such day.
    So as I understand it., the day of remembrance is only this year, not a running thing. It’s not a holiday, nothing closes, and just for one day where the government says “hey, let’s remember this guy” and that’s it. So it seems kinda pointless to me, and therefore nothing to be upset about even if you don’t like him. Is there more to it than that? Is anything actually going to happen on October14 as a result of this that affects any of us? I’m really asking because it sounds like it’s just a day where they ask us to remember him and probably lower the flags again. Most people probably won’t even remember that it’s a thing when it rolls around unless the news reminds them.
    The only reason we have an MLK day is for the same reason. If he died of old age in his 80s you think that would be a holiday? Not that it shouldn’t, but being assassinated naturally puts an emphasis on a person .
    I agree about Lincoln. I actually didn’t know it was a shared holiday until about 15 years ago when I moved out of California. Because there it is a state holiday and I always had both days off of school growing up.
    i think mlk earned his day because of what he did during his short life. if he dies in his 80s he would have been honored more because he would have had another 50 years of service and another 50 years of progress would have been made. otherwise wouldn't jfk and rfk sr have days as well?

    he already had flags lowered for days. he is getting the medal of freedom. he is getting comedians and critics silenced. his family is making millions off of his death. he is basically becoming a patron saint of maga. he is getting a statue. i would say that that is enough.

    we always had a separate holiday for lincoln and washington as well. i think it needs to go back to that. i think it minimizes both of them to share one day. had lincoln lived, things could be radically different today, so his death was the most consequential of the last 180 years. kirk has nothing on lincoln.
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,197
    interesting

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/no-evidence-charlie-kirk-shooting-left-wing-groups-rcna232513
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,025
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.
    he should have the memorial in dc. 

    if we are going to have a rememberence day for kirk, not an elected official, lincoln should have one too. his own day. i think the shared holiday with washington is bullshit. lincoln was infinitely more influential and worthy or being remembered than kirk.

    the only reason kirk is being remembered is because he was shot. if this were a heart attack in his 50s, there would be no such day.
    So as I understand it., the day of remembrance is only this year, not a running thing. It’s not a holiday, nothing closes, and just for one day where the government says “hey, let’s remember this guy” and that’s it. So it seems kinda pointless to me, and therefore nothing to be upset about even if you don’t like him. Is there more to it than that? Is anything actually going to happen on October14 as a result of this that affects any of us? I’m really asking because it sounds like it’s just a day where they ask us to remember him and probably lower the flags again. Most people probably won’t even remember that it’s a thing when it rolls around unless the news reminds them.
    The only reason we have an MLK day is for the same reason. If he died of old age in his 80s you think that would be a holiday? Not that it shouldn’t, but being assassinated naturally puts an emphasis on a person .
    I agree about Lincoln. I actually didn’t know it was a shared holiday until about 15 years ago when I moved out of California. Because there it is a state holiday and I always had both days off of school growing up.
    i think mlk earned his day because of what he did during his short life. if he dies in his 80s he would have been honored more because he would have had another 50 years of service and another 50 years of progress would have been made. otherwise wouldn't jfk and rfk sr have days as well?

    he already had flags lowered for days. he is getting the medal of freedom. he is getting comedians and critics silenced. his family is making millions off of his death. he is basically becoming a patron saint of maga. he is getting a statue. i would say that that is enough.

    we always had a separate holiday for lincoln and washington as well. i think it needs to go back to that. i think it minimizes both of them to share one day. had lincoln lived, things could be radically different today, so his death was the most consequential of the last 180 years. kirk has nothing on lincoln.
    Just to be clear, I’m not saying mlk doesn’t deserve a day. But when someone gets assisted in their prime, it catapults their fame and recognition.  If Charlie died in a car accident and wasn’t assassinated, he wouldn’t get getting 1/10 the coverage.
    That doesn’t mean everyone assassinated is going to get a day. But you kind of proved my point. When someone brings up jfk what’s the first thing most people think of? Bay of pigs or the assassination? RFK might not have even made the ticket, but he is well known and remembered because he was assassinated. 
    Personally I think the memorial this weekend is enough. But to honest, this thread is the only place I see anyone talking about his day of remembrance. October 14 will come and go and I’m guessing most people probably won’t even realize what it is. I don’t recall sandy hook having a day of remembrance on the 10th anniversary a couple years ago, but it happened. 
  • cutz
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    GlowGirl said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    i mean lincoln, the consensus greatest president in our history, does not even have a rememberence day.
    He has a giant memorial and a shared federal holiday though, and his own holiday in several states.  Kirk has to share his 1 day with Columbus.
    he should have the memorial in dc. 

    if we are going to have a rememberence day for kirk, not an elected official, lincoln should have one too. his own day. i think the shared holiday with washington is bullshit. lincoln was infinitely more influential and worthy or being remembered than kirk.

    the only reason kirk is being remembered is because he was shot. if this were a heart attack in his 50s, there would be no such day.
    I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot. None of this martyrdom makes sense to me. 
    You and probably over 90% of the Country? or 99%?

    I've only seen the name before, while scrolling Twitter, but I knew next to nothing about him.
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