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Exactlygimmesometruth27 said:
by that rationale we are all radical left to maga.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!
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Anyone catch Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy yesterday imploring Ca$h to request funding for more FBI funding? Kinda said it in a way that suggested the opportunity was now and not later. Might need extra staff if you want to arrest all of those leftist radicals before the midterms. Ca$h mentioned, with Googly eyes ablaze and more than an audible sniffle, which leads me to believe he’s been visiting the evidence room, that there are 3500 active investigations of extremist groups in the US. No mention of the political leanings of those groups, of course.Bentleyspop said:
Exactlygimmesometruth27 said:
by that rationale we are all radical left to maga.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!
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to me most of us here are moderate to center left. i would love to see some real "radical leftists" pop up and see how maga reacts. trump wouldn't know what to do if he was faced with a real radical left.Bentleyspop said:
Exactlygimmesometruth27 said:
by that rationale we are all radical left to maga.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!
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I picked up on the sarcasm. There are only a few people on here who would try to actually support that dumbass Patel and he isn't one of them.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sure, sure it was.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Seriously? You’re proud of this guy?Lerxst1992 said:
Patel was very professional in front of the senate.DE4173 said:I imagine team blue will be "cheering" against Patel today while team red "cheers" for him. 🤪
something for all Americans to be proud of.It’s a joke. He was literally screaming in front of the senate. That may fit in with certain environments, but not the US senate. Definitely not professional even for those who might agree with himIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
I thought you had to use the /s or s/ thingy? Otherwise, it’s just floating a thought to test the waters, muddle the conversation and pretend to be a repub but claim to be a dem.tbergs said:
I picked up on the sarcasm. There are only a few people on here who would try to actually support that dumbass Patel and he isn't one of them.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sure, sure it was.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Seriously? You’re proud of this guy?Lerxst1992 said:
Patel was very professional in front of the senate.DE4173 said:I imagine team blue will be "cheering" against Patel today while team red "cheers" for him. 🤪
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I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc. Many of the things that CK was decidedly not. I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.Lerxst1992 said:njhaley1 said:
When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?
and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.
Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.
I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them. Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs. It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs.
My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job? Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit. I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.
I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood? I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.
If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains. But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.Post edited by njhaley1 on0 -
Your bottom paragraph is EXACTLY how I explain it to cons/religious folk. JC certainly would have been left, he certainly WAS woke, and he absolutely was a radical.njhaley1 said:
I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc. Many of the things that CK was decidedly not. I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.Lerxst1992 said:njhaley1 said:
When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?
and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.
Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.
I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them. Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs. It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs.
My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job? Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit. I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.
I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood? I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.
If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains. But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.( 🙋♂️Agnostic here)By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I really fear for the trans community now and I really get what you are saying.njhaley1 said:
I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc. Many of the things that CK was decidedly not. I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.Lerxst1992 said:njhaley1 said:
When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?
and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.
Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.
I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them. Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs. It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs.
My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job? Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit. I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.
I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood? I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.
If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains. But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.
It is interesting how trump & Co were so quick to blame the "far left lunatics" and then grabbed onto the trans connection when that information came out about the roommate. My first thought was "why the fuck does it matter what the roommate was doing?" so now I'm a bit surprised that they haven't attacked the gay community since the shooter seems to be homosexual.
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The problem is that the textbook definition of woke is different than the practical definition we often see play out.HughFreakingDillon said:
Your bottom paragraph is EXACTLY how I explain it to cons/religious folk. JC certainly would have been left, he certainly WAS woke, and he absolutely was a radical.njhaley1 said:
I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc. Many of the things that CK was decidedly not. I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.Lerxst1992 said:njhaley1 said:
When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?
and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.
Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.
I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them. Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs. It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs.
My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job? Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit. I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.
I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood? I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.
If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains. But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.( 🙋♂️Agnostic here)
Textbook definition is to be aware of racial or social injustices. Which we should be doing.
The problem is when a company takes that, and like United Airlines, says that 50% of all new hires must be of a minority group. I don't think that's a practical application of being woke. Or, when I worked in Colorado, I was literally told by admin that we can't discipline minority students because "it makes us looks racist." How well do you think those minority schools worked out? Most people would see that as a woke approach to a problem. SO when I, or people in my circles, complain about something being woke, I'm talking about these asinine policies that have developed about race. A kid can cuss me out, and if he's white he gets suspended, if he's black I'm told ignore it. Literally.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
Your bottom paragraph is EXACTLY how I explain it to cons/religious folk. JC certainly would have been left, he certainly WAS woke, and he absolutely was a radical.njhaley1 said:
I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc. Many of the things that CK was decidedly not. I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.Lerxst1992 said:njhaley1 said:
When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?
and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.
Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.
I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them. Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs. It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs.
My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job? Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit. I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.
I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood? I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.
If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains. But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.( 🙋♂️Agnostic here)
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Yes, I do believe we’ve been around this bend before. With any progress, there are inevitably going to be those that misunderstand it and take it too far. And we “wokes” need to call that out when we see it.mace1229 said:
The problem is that the textbook definition of woke is different than the practical definition we often see play out.HughFreakingDillon said:
Your bottom paragraph is EXACTLY how I explain it to cons/religious folk. JC certainly would have been left, he certainly WAS woke, and he absolutely was a radical.njhaley1 said:
I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc. Many of the things that CK was decidedly not. I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.Lerxst1992 said:njhaley1 said:
When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?
and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.
Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.
I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them. Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs. It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs.
My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job? Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit. I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.
I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood? I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.
If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains. But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.( 🙋♂️Agnostic here)
Textbook definition is to be aware of racial or social injustices. Which we should be doing.
The problem is when a company takes that, and like United Airlines, says that 50% of all new hires must be of a minority group. I don't think that's a practical application of being woke. Or, when I worked in Colorado, I was literally told by admin that we can't discipline minority students because "it makes us looks racist." How well do you think those minority schools worked out? Most people would see that as a woke approach to a problem. SO when I, or people in my circles, complain about something being woke, I'm talking about these asinine policies that have developed about race. A kid can cuss me out, and if he's white he gets suspended, if he's black I'm told ignore it. Literally.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Great perspective there, Mace. I agree that we need to be aware of racial or social injustices, but at the same time line iteming 50% minority hires isn't the right answer. Diversity does make things better, though - I've seen it happen, and I've seen when a lack of diversity was the downfall of a business I once worked for. So what is an acceptable middle ground?mace1229 said:The problem is that the textbook definition of woke is different than the practical definition we often see play out.
Textbook definition is to be aware of racial or social injustices. Which we should be doing.
The problem is when a company takes that, and like United Airlines, says that 50% of all new hires must be of a minority group. I don't think that's a practical application of being woke. Or, when I worked in Colorado, I was literally told by admin that we can't discipline minority students because "it makes us looks racist." How well do you think those minority schools worked out? Most people would see that as a woke approach to a problem. SO when I, or people in my circles, complain about something being woke, I'm talking about these asinine policies that have developed about race. A kid can cuss me out, and if he's white he gets suspended, if he's black I'm told ignore it. Literally.
I also see what I'd consider "woke" in my line of work - we have employees that need service dogs and places where service dogs should not be that we've had to accommodate, for example. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass, but it's their dog and they have to accept the risks. I worry if something does happen, though, they might not take responsibility for it. Great examples about situations you've been in with students, though. Thanks for sharing.0 -
I guess my point was there was a while where that was becoming more the norm than the exception. For a few years, the DEI trainings I had to attend were just ridiculous. The unwritten policies they'd ask us to do were actually kind of disgusting. I think we've turned a corner where than less of the norm now though.HughFreakingDillon said:
Yes, I do believe we’ve been around this bend before. With any progress, there are inevitably going to be those that misunderstand it and take it too far. And we “wokes” need to call that out when we see it.mace1229 said:
The problem is that the textbook definition of woke is different than the practical definition we often see play out.HughFreakingDillon said:
Your bottom paragraph is EXACTLY how I explain it to cons/religious folk. JC certainly would have been left, he certainly WAS woke, and he absolutely was a radical.njhaley1 said:
I feel like "woke" is describing a philosophy of treating everyone with respect, having empathy; being inclusive and supporting a diverse range of opinions, cultures, and beliefs; being a polite member of society, etc. Many of the things that CK was decidedly not. I would love to believe that that applies to many of us here.Lerxst1992 said:njhaley1 said:
When "woke" just doesn't cut it and you need people to be more afraid and hateful.Bentleyspop said:
It's a dogwhistle utilized by the retRUmplicans to wind up their base. Any ideas, policies, thoughts that don't align with their regressive theology is "radical left".brianlux said:Tim Simmons said:
No. The fact that you think this place is so ‘radical left’ that it upsets you so much that you need to keep trying to get that dig in whenever you can.Lerxst1992 said:Tim Simmons said:
the bitternessLerxst1992 said:Go Beavers said:
Binge watching the West Wing?tempo_n_groove said:
How does one in Utah go radical left?mace1229 said:
The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs.HughFreakingDillon said:The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized.Or he could be radicalized maga.The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet.Read A Moving Train message boards?Literally the same comment as the west wing, is that one bitter?
west wing is a phenomenal show, back when there wasn’t a woke litmus test among democrats.
had a nice long post for u the other day about why nyc mayor race is very relevant to national politics….its not bitter at all.
I have to admit I haven't but up to speed on this place lately, but it amazes me that here, of all places, anyone still refers to some of the people on this forum as "radical left". That's like saying a high of 82 degrees Fahrenheit is an indicator of a major heat wave, or the common house fly is and large insect. Good grief!Woke is a better way of describing the far left than using extremists or leftists?
and for those thinking the shoe doesn’t fit, set up a new acct and comment like a centrist. Watch the replies with joy.
Radical left, on the other hand, suggests something more subversive, think IRA, Weather Underground, etc.
I would guess I'd be labeled as "woke" - I've spent my life in a career that started out heavily dominated by white males - like 90%+, and I was one of them. Now, our incoming professionals are 80% women with many minorities represented - Indians, Asians, Hispanics, Arabs. It's awesome, this field is significantly better because of it; even if I'm old enough to feel a little uncomfortable around intelligent women with opinions, that's my problem, not theirs.
My boss is a black woman with a medical degree and a law degree - would someone say she benefited off of affirmative action and doesn't deserve her job? Probably, but she's great at her job and I respect her quite a bit. I often wonder about what she's had to go through to get where she is, the grit she's had to have to ignore comments like those.
I have a trans (M>F) neighbor and while I sometimes feel like I'm gawking at a fish on a bicycle, it's more curiosity - what is her life like? Is she terrified living in a ruby red neighborhood? I'm empathetic to her situation, I don't wish she were dead or blame all of my problems on her or think she needs to find Christ and a wife and have kids.
If these things make me "radical left," well shit, I'll be one of the first to hop on the trains. But I like to think it's how Christ would handle things, even though I consider myself an atheist.( 🙋♂️Agnostic here)
Textbook definition is to be aware of racial or social injustices. Which we should be doing.
The problem is when a company takes that, and like United Airlines, says that 50% of all new hires must be of a minority group. I don't think that's a practical application of being woke. Or, when I worked in Colorado, I was literally told by admin that we can't discipline minority students because "it makes us looks racist." How well do you think those minority schools worked out? Most people would see that as a woke approach to a problem. SO when I, or people in my circles, complain about something being woke, I'm talking about these asinine policies that have developed about race. A kid can cuss me out, and if he's white he gets suspended, if he's black I'm told ignore it. Literally.0 -
I get curious and start reading the other stories linked to it. The Meg Miller info is correct. If you click on the "joked" link the person who wrote that piece though has some very interesting ways of describing her.Tim Simmons said:Great piece on Charlie Kirk and the discourse around his death, from Ta-Nehisi Coates
https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates
How people interpret certain things boggles my mind sometimes...
This article shows how other people that are openly racist or biggoted were attracted to Kirk. Interesting piece. Lots of info.0 -
Multiple officers injured in a shooting in central Pennsylvania, source says. The suspect is dead
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looks like 3 officers dead now. terrible.Halifax2TheMax said:Multiple officers injured in a shooting in central Pennsylvania, source says. The suspect is dead
thoughts and prayers incoming in 3.......2.....
actually there will be criticism from trump because it was a blue state."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Police were dispatched to Haar Road in Spring Grove, a heavily agricultural borough of York County dotted with small barns and sprawling farm land.gimmesometruth27 said:
looks like 3 officers dead now. terrible.Halifax2TheMax said:Multiple officers injured in a shooting in central Pennsylvania, source says. The suspect is dead
thoughts and prayers incoming in 3.......2.....
actually there will be criticism from trump because it was a blue state.
Ah, let me guess. Farm was going under because of current economic policies, everything went sideways, cops serving court order for domestic violence, etc. then became a target.
Could have been a transvestite, too I guess.
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How long before they're blaming the radical left for this as well?gimmesometruth27 said:
looks like 3 officers dead now. terrible.Halifax2TheMax said:Multiple officers injured in a shooting in central Pennsylvania, source says. The suspect is dead
thoughts and prayers incoming in 3.......2.....
actually there will be criticism from trump because it was a blue state.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
these people deserve to have a flag at half staff more than a lot of people.njhaley1 said:
Police were dispatched to Haar Road in Spring Grove, a heavily agricultural borough of York County dotted with small barns and sprawling farm land.gimmesometruth27 said:
looks like 3 officers dead now. terrible.Halifax2TheMax said:Multiple officers injured in a shooting in central Pennsylvania, source says. The suspect is dead
thoughts and prayers incoming in 3.......2.....
actually there will be criticism from trump because it was a blue state.
Ah, let me guess. Farm was going under because of current economic policies, everything went sideways, cops serving court order for domestic violence, etc. then became a target.
Could have been a transvestite, too I guess.
it would not surprise me if the farm is going under and it was similar to the scenario you posted."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
As long as it wasn't a transgender person it's okaynjhaley1 said:
Police were dispatched to Haar Road in Spring Grove, a heavily agricultural borough of York County dotted with small barns and sprawling farm land.gimmesometruth27 said:
looks like 3 officers dead now. terrible.Halifax2TheMax said:Multiple officers injured in a shooting in central Pennsylvania, source says. The suspect is dead
thoughts and prayers incoming in 3.......2.....
actually there will be criticism from trump because it was a blue state.
Ah, let me guess. Farm was going under because of current economic policies, everything went sideways, cops serving court order for domestic violence, etc. then became a target.
Could have been a transvestite, too I guess.0
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