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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,651

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    shecky said:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
    I thought you were a populist. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,800
    Let’s go to that popular arbitrator then…

    The economic impact of California's increased minimum wage is a subject of ongoing debate, with studies yielding conflicting results. Some research suggests the wage hike has had minimal negative effects, even leading to increased wages and stable employment. Other analyses indicate job losses, particularly in the fast-food sector, and increased prices for consumers. 

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,005
    gotta love AI bothsidesism. lmao
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    gotta love AI bothsidesism. lmao
    It’s like da.
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    “Popular”
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,651
    edited July 26

    I moved my comment to the "Russia" discussion, where it belongs.
    Post edited by shecky on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
    I thought you were a populist. 
    OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    And 21,700 more employed residents in June than in May. Imagine that?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,005
    i guess if nothing else the dems can now run on:

    "hey, at least we aren't the GOP. you know, the Guardians of Pedophiles."
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,800
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
    I thought you were a populist. 
    OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

    That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

    There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

    AI Overview
    The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

    AI Overview
    There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    edited July 27
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
    I thought you were a populist. 
    OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

    That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

    There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

    AI Overview
    The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

    AI Overview
    There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry
    Didn’t compare it to just fast food workers, genius. Total employed. And more jobs were created in June than the 18,000 fast food worker jobs lost but you probably think fast food workers shouldn’t make more than the fed minimum wage, eh? I’m sure stupid will be all for it. And, they can go pick fruits and vegetables.
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
    I thought you were a populist. 
    OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

    That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

    There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

    AI Overview
    The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

    AI Overview
    There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry
    Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

    What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

    I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

    And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,651
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-senator-laments-partys-messaging-problem-ratings-plummet-30-year-low

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,005
    with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,809
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.
    So Bill Clinton making a return?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,800
    edited July 28
    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
    I thought you were a populist. 
    OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

    That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

    There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

    AI Overview
    The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

    AI Overview
    There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry
    Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

    What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

    I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

    And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 


    It really ain’t worth it
    Post edited by Lerxst1992 on
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,800
    edited July 28
    shecky said:
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-senator-laments-partys-messaging-problem-ratings-plummet-30-year-low


    Well since it’s Fox News. They’re gonna complain that Sen Kelly really didn’t say any of that. They’re gonna think maybe when he was out in space he had some sort of alien time release virus that will make him lie about anything against his own party. Democrats will manipulate any fact in order to believe whatever it is they wanna believe. Just looked at the only replies this got on a forum like this


    “Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., acknowledged that the Democratic Party had a messaging problem on Sunday when confronted with a poll that found the party had its lowest favorability rating in nearly three decades. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,800
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    shecky said:

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

    Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"
    I thought you were a populist. 
    OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

    That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

    There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

    AI Overview
    The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

    AI Overview
    There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry
    Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

    What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

    I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

    And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 


    It really ain’t worth it


    The research is literally about FOOD workers. Dems have Become a party of people who refused to read


    “Researchers found that the state’s $20 minimum wage fast food hike has cost the fast-food sector 18,000 jobs since it went into effect in April 2024, representing a 3.2% decline in that sector compared to fast-food sectors in other parts of the country.


    mr is outright supporting fake news, bc of a refusal to read the research, and accepted Hal’s pure fiction.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    Lerxst1992 said:
    shecky said:
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/democratic-senator-laments-partys-messaging-problem-ratings-plummet-30-year-low


    Well since it’s Fox News. They’re gonna complain that Sen Kelly really didn’t say any of that. They’re gonna think maybe when he was out in space he had some sort of alien time release virus that will make him lie about anything against his own party. Democrats will manipulate any fact in order to believe whatever it is they wanna believe. Just looked at the only replies this got on a forum like this


    “Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., acknowledged that the Democratic Party had a messaging problem on Sunday when confronted with a poll that found the party had its lowest favorability rating in nearly three decades. 
    Why is a response required? We know the dems have a messaging problem.
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