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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,002
    static111 said:

    Exactly how not to run an executive branch. 


    And that’s just the three week period after the debate. According to a few, Woodward being one, it was going on for a year.

    good thing Biden watches morning Joe every day, just like me…

    Mr. Biden’s aides never had him meet with his campaign’s pollsters. Instead, they often presented overly optimistic outlooks of the political landscape, alarming members of the campaign staff, who looked for ways to bypass his longtime advisers Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon


    Mr. Biden was aware of the concern among Democrats — it was impossible to ignore — but his aides continued to provide him with a warped version of reality.

    Mr. Biden had a team of campaign pollsters who were prepared to tell him the truth about the numbers, but they never got the opportunity. They were told they should present to his closest advisers — not to the president himself.

    If Mr. Biden knew about the tanking polls, he did not let on.


    When former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, met privately with Mr. Biden in the White House for a crisis meeting that July, she grew frustrated by his insistence that the polling showed no real change since the debate. Was he not seeing the numbers she was seeing?


    At one point, Mr. Biden asked an aide to put Mr. Donilon on the phone because the president did not believe Ms. Pelosi. She was adamant the polls showed Mr. Biden would lose to Mr. Trump.

    So they went to two people they knew could get Mr. Biden’s attention: the hosts of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, which the president watched every morning.

    It’s fucking over Democrats fucked up ok you fucking win here’s your 🏅🏅🎖️ 


    You are allowed to post seventeen thousand comments about the horrible living conditions, something BOTH parties have responsibility for…

    but expecting dems/Ocasiocrats, to be honest about the leaders health and mental capacity, and allowing people to vote for the nomination, having an actual democracy, which was their fucking argument against trump , that gets three fucks in eight words from you lol.



    the bias here is intense and astounding 
    A political party nominating its preferred candidate in unprecedented circumstances is not a loss of democracy. Especially, since public primaries are only a recent thing historically.  Was there no democracy in the USA before party primaries?
    But there was no choice last November and the Brandon shadow government committed the biggest political crime in history. Don’t you remember?
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,062
    static111 said:

    Exactly how not to run an executive branch. 


    And that’s just the three week period after the debate. According to a few, Woodward being one, it was going on for a year.

    good thing Biden watches morning Joe every day, just like me…

    Mr. Biden’s aides never had him meet with his campaign’s pollsters. Instead, they often presented overly optimistic outlooks of the political landscape, alarming members of the campaign staff, who looked for ways to bypass his longtime advisers Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon


    Mr. Biden was aware of the concern among Democrats — it was impossible to ignore — but his aides continued to provide him with a warped version of reality.

    Mr. Biden had a team of campaign pollsters who were prepared to tell him the truth about the numbers, but they never got the opportunity. They were told they should present to his closest advisers — not to the president himself.

    If Mr. Biden knew about the tanking polls, he did not let on.


    When former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, met privately with Mr. Biden in the White House for a crisis meeting that July, she grew frustrated by his insistence that the polling showed no real change since the debate. Was he not seeing the numbers she was seeing?


    At one point, Mr. Biden asked an aide to put Mr. Donilon on the phone because the president did not believe Ms. Pelosi. She was adamant the polls showed Mr. Biden would lose to Mr. Trump.

    So they went to two people they knew could get Mr. Biden’s attention: the hosts of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, which the president watched every morning.

    It’s fucking over Democrats fucked up ok you fucking win here’s your 🏅🏅🎖️ 


    You are allowed to post seventeen thousand comments about the horrible living conditions, something BOTH parties have responsibility for…

    but expecting dems/Ocasiocrats, to be honest about the leaders health and mental capacity, and allowing people to vote for the nomination, having an actual democracy, which was their fucking argument against trump , that gets three fucks in eight words from you lol.



    the bias here is intense and astounding 
    A political party nominating its preferred candidate in unprecedented circumstances is not a loss of democracy. Especially, since public primaries are only a recent thing historically.  Was there no democracy in the USA before party primaries?
    But there was no choice last November and the Brandon shadow government committed the biggest political crime in history. Don’t you remember?
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,499
    Lerx, who would you have wanted as the nominee if not Harris?

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,812

    Exactly how not to run an executive branch. 


    And that’s just the three week period after the debate. According to a few, Woodward being one, it was going on for a year.

    good thing Biden watches morning Joe every day, just like me…

    Mr. Biden’s aides never had him meet with his campaign’s pollsters. Instead, they often presented overly optimistic outlooks of the political landscape, alarming members of the campaign staff, who looked for ways to bypass his longtime advisers Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon


    Mr. Biden was aware of the concern among Democrats — it was impossible to ignore — but his aides continued to provide him with a warped version of reality.

    Mr. Biden had a team of campaign pollsters who were prepared to tell him the truth about the numbers, but they never got the opportunity. They were told they should present to his closest advisers — not to the president himself.

    If Mr. Biden knew about the tanking polls, he did not let on.


    When former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, met privately with Mr. Biden in the White House for a crisis meeting that July, she grew frustrated by his insistence that the polling showed no real change since the debate. Was he not seeing the numbers she was seeing?


    At one point, Mr. Biden asked an aide to put Mr. Donilon on the phone because the president did not believe Ms. Pelosi. She was adamant the polls showed Mr. Biden would lose to Mr. Trump.

    So they went to two people they knew could get Mr. Biden’s attention: the hosts of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, which the president watched every morning.

    It’s fucking over Democrats fucked up ok you fucking win here’s your 🏅🏅🎖️ 


    You are allowed to post seventeen thousand comments about the horrible living conditions, something BOTH parties have responsibility for…

    but expecting dems/Ocasiocrats, to be honest about the leaders health and mental capacity, and allowing people to vote for the nomination, having an actual democracy, which was their fucking argument against trump , that gets three fucks in eight words from you lol.



    the bias here is intense and astounding 
    "ocasiocrats" is the tell here in your post. 

    Your bias is astounding 

    in case u don’t understand, consider one poster here, Hal, allowed to make a million jokes. 

    If not two million


    But when a centrist does it, must have some other meaning than the words typed. She is the proclaimed leader of the far left. The joke is, she has no path in the current political climate. Yet she keeps going  farther left

    you are maga left. Say hi to them.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,812
    edited July 16
    Lerx, who would you have wanted as the nominee if not Harris?


    I posted a nice link on this a couple days ago on this, which got zero traction.

    We had about ten past nominees from far left dems in 2020, many with the free stuff ideas championed by AOC mamdani.

    they all lost to the moderate.


    now, five years later, after an embarrassing loss to trump, by a candidate widely viewed as running a woke campaign, the ultra left is fighting to control the party, when we need to bring back red leaning  states to have any chance of a fourth liberal justice.


    all the endless complaining on here, seventeen thousand posts yesterday about those horrible living conditions, but none on the maga left acknowledging the lefts blame, existing on both sides. Or how this is used to win back voters.

    no one on the left has any clue how to get a chance at the senate, the only path to uphold the laws needed to stop this


    edit, point is, its the democratic process that matters, especially when it’s ur central argument against trump.


     

    Post edited by Lerxst1992 on
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010

    Exactly how not to run an executive branch. 


    And that’s just the three week period after the debate. According to a few, Woodward being one, it was going on for a year.

    good thing Biden watches morning Joe every day, just like me…

    Mr. Biden’s aides never had him meet with his campaign’s pollsters. Instead, they often presented overly optimistic outlooks of the political landscape, alarming members of the campaign staff, who looked for ways to bypass his longtime advisers Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon


    Mr. Biden was aware of the concern among Democrats — it was impossible to ignore — but his aides continued to provide him with a warped version of reality.

    Mr. Biden had a team of campaign pollsters who were prepared to tell him the truth about the numbers, but they never got the opportunity. They were told they should present to his closest advisers — not to the president himself.

    If Mr. Biden knew about the tanking polls, he did not let on.


    When former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, met privately with Mr. Biden in the White House for a crisis meeting that July, she grew frustrated by his insistence that the polling showed no real change since the debate. Was he not seeing the numbers she was seeing?


    At one point, Mr. Biden asked an aide to put Mr. Donilon on the phone because the president did not believe Ms. Pelosi. She was adamant the polls showed Mr. Biden would lose to Mr. Trump.

    So they went to two people they knew could get Mr. Biden’s attention: the hosts of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, which the president watched every morning.

    It’s fucking over Democrats fucked up ok you fucking win here’s your 🏅🏅🎖️ 


    You are allowed to post seventeen thousand comments about the horrible living conditions, something BOTH parties have responsibility for…

    but expecting dems/Ocasiocrats, to be honest about the leaders health and mental capacity, and allowing people to vote for the nomination, having an actual democracy, which was their fucking argument against trump , that gets three fucks in eight words from you lol.



    the bias here is intense and astounding 
    "ocasiocrats" is the tell here in your post. 

    Your bias is astounding 

    in case u don’t understand, consider one poster here, Hal, allowed to make a million jokes. 

    If not two million


    But when a centrist does it, must have some other meaning than the words typed. She is the proclaimed leader of the far left. The joke is, she has no path in the current political climate. Yet she keeps going  farther left

    you are maga left. Say hi to them.
    at least get her last name correct. your term is disrespectful and petty. 

    lol if i am maga left, you are maga centrist then. militantly clinging to positions that have no constituency.  hope you like treading water in a place where there are policies literally nobody wants.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010

    Exactly how not to run an executive branch. 


    And that’s just the three week period after the debate. According to a few, Woodward being one, it was going on for a year.

    good thing Biden watches morning Joe every day, just like me…

    Mr. Biden’s aides never had him meet with his campaign’s pollsters. Instead, they often presented overly optimistic outlooks of the political landscape, alarming members of the campaign staff, who looked for ways to bypass his longtime advisers Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon


    Mr. Biden was aware of the concern among Democrats — it was impossible to ignore — but his aides continued to provide him with a warped version of reality.

    Mr. Biden had a team of campaign pollsters who were prepared to tell him the truth about the numbers, but they never got the opportunity. They were told they should present to his closest advisers — not to the president himself.

    If Mr. Biden knew about the tanking polls, he did not let on.


    When former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, met privately with Mr. Biden in the White House for a crisis meeting that July, she grew frustrated by his insistence that the polling showed no real change since the debate. Was he not seeing the numbers she was seeing?


    At one point, Mr. Biden asked an aide to put Mr. Donilon on the phone because the president did not believe Ms. Pelosi. She was adamant the polls showed Mr. Biden would lose to Mr. Trump.

    So they went to two people they knew could get Mr. Biden’s attention: the hosts of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, which the president watched every morning.

    It’s fucking over Democrats fucked up ok you fucking win here’s your 🏅🏅🎖️ 


    You are allowed to post seventeen thousand comments about the horrible living conditions, something BOTH parties have responsibility for…

    but expecting dems/Ocasiocrats, to be honest about the leaders health and mental capacity, and allowing people to vote for the nomination, having an actual democracy, which was their fucking argument against trump , that gets three fucks in eight words from you lol.



    the bias here is intense and astounding 
    "ocasiocrats" is the tell here in your post. 

    Your bias is astounding 

    in case u don’t understand, consider one poster here, Hal, allowed to make a million jokes. 

    If not two million


    But when a centrist does it, must have some other meaning than the words typed. She is the proclaimed leader of the far left. The joke is, she has no path in the current political climate. Yet she keeps going  farther left

    you are maga left. Say hi to them.
    how long until you join the america party since you have nowhere else to go?

    can't wait to hear about their amazing platform with incredibly milquetoast candidates.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,499
    Lerx you love to espouse that the Left is to blame for everything and then proceed to champion the meaty middle. Other than someone else's op ed in the WSJ acknowledging that Mamdani correctly appealed to the economic anxiety and then said it was the wrong approach and that tax relief is the way forward, you haven't really posted what dems SHOULD do to win back the moderates. Where, in your opinion (not AI generated), do you think Dems need to position themselves to win back the middle?


  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,499
    edited July 16
    Also which of these were the progressive candidates that appeared on a primary ballot for President in 2020 (in your opinion). Circle "about ten"

    Biden
    Sanders
    Gabbard
    Warren
    Bloomberg
    Klobachar
    Buttigeg
    Steyer
    Bennat
    Yang
    Delaney
    Williamson
    Castro
    Harris
    Bullock
    Sestak

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,002
    All the young, incel gamer tech bros are not happy with what happened to Elongitaint and now the Epstain Files. They’re way mad, bro! But it ain’t going to make a difference because they’ll forget by the time 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032 rolls around. That, and it’s already too late, way too late to fix it. But AI will tell us what to do.

    Now excuse me while I go work on the lock to the bulkhead.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010
    All the young, incel gamer tech bros are not happy with what happened to Elongitaint and now the Epstain Files. They’re way mad, bro! But it ain’t going to make a difference because they’ll forget by the time 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032 rolls around. That, and it’s already too late, way too late to fix it. But AI will tell us what to do.

    Now excuse me while I go work on the lock to the bulkhead.
    they will lose interest in politics once that new GTA game comes out. but maybe ocasio-cortez is causing the delays?

    damn you, dems!
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,002
    All the young, incel gamer tech bros are not happy with what happened to Elongitaint and now the Epstain Files. They’re way mad, bro! But it ain’t going to make a difference because they’ll forget by the time 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032 rolls around. That, and it’s already too late, way too late to fix it. But AI will tell us what to do.

    Now excuse me while I go work on the lock to the bulkhead.
    they will lose interest in politics once that new GTA game comes out. but maybe ocasio-cortez is causing the delays?

    damn you, dems!
    I thought it was Grand Theft Auto 120 and why everyone lives in flyover country? Because cities like Seattle have fallen, NYC is next and if you even step foot in a major metropolitan area, particularly blue ones, you’ll get jabbed with a needle, be forced to have an abortion or sex change operation, get whacked with a metal pipe, or worse, stabbed and have your car stolen.
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,499
    Also, I'm sorry to keep name dropping Mamdani. I have no skin in the game seeing as I don't live in NYC. But I do think hes been incredibly successful at reaching out to people that Dems ignore with policies that people have found appealing. And I find his approach and his success as a litmus test for a broader approach in future elections. 

    More than happy to contrast him with my mayor (Brandon Johnson, also a progressive) who has seen minimal success and is seen as a disappointment even on the progressive left. 




  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,812

    Exactly how not to run an executive branch. 


    And that’s just the three week period after the debate. According to a few, Woodward being one, it was going on for a year.

    good thing Biden watches morning Joe every day, just like me…

    Mr. Biden’s aides never had him meet with his campaign’s pollsters. Instead, they often presented overly optimistic outlooks of the political landscape, alarming members of the campaign staff, who looked for ways to bypass his longtime advisers Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon


    Mr. Biden was aware of the concern among Democrats — it was impossible to ignore — but his aides continued to provide him with a warped version of reality.

    Mr. Biden had a team of campaign pollsters who were prepared to tell him the truth about the numbers, but they never got the opportunity. They were told they should present to his closest advisers — not to the president himself.

    If Mr. Biden knew about the tanking polls, he did not let on.


    When former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, met privately with Mr. Biden in the White House for a crisis meeting that July, she grew frustrated by his insistence that the polling showed no real change since the debate. Was he not seeing the numbers she was seeing?


    At one point, Mr. Biden asked an aide to put Mr. Donilon on the phone because the president did not believe Ms. Pelosi. She was adamant the polls showed Mr. Biden would lose to Mr. Trump.

    So they went to two people they knew could get Mr. Biden’s attention: the hosts of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, which the president watched every morning.

    It’s fucking over Democrats fucked up ok you fucking win here’s your 🏅🏅🎖️ 


    You are allowed to post seventeen thousand comments about the horrible living conditions, something BOTH parties have responsibility for…

    but expecting dems/Ocasiocrats, to be honest about the leaders health and mental capacity, and allowing people to vote for the nomination, having an actual democracy, which was their fucking argument against trump , that gets three fucks in eight words from you lol.



    the bias here is intense and astounding 
    "ocasiocrats" is the tell here in your post. 

    Your bias is astounding 

    in case u don’t understand, consider one poster here, Hal, allowed to make a million jokes. 

    If not two million


    But when a centrist does it, must have some other meaning than the words typed. She is the proclaimed leader of the far left. The joke is, she has no path in the current political climate. Yet she keeps going  farther left

    you are maga left. Say hi to them.
    at least get her last name correct. your term is disrespectful and petty. 

    lol if i am maga left, you are maga centrist then. militantly clinging to positions that have no constituency.  hope you like treading water in a place where there are policies literally nobody wants.


    It's putting together her name and the party she wants to control 

    That's a ton of respect. Do you ever take one second and attack the jokes or parody that Hal puts on this forum?

    No you never do because your bias is astounding
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010
    Also, I'm sorry to keep name dropping Mamdani. I have no skin in the game seeing as I don't live in NYC. But I do think hes been incredibly successful at reaching out to people that Dems ignore with policies that people have found appealing. And I find his approach and his success as a litmus test for a broader approach in future elections. 

    More than happy to contrast him with my mayor (Brandon Johnson, also a progressive) who has seen minimal success and is seen as a disappointment even on the progressive left. 




    so i guess that means everyone should vote for cuomo then lol
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,812
    Also, I'm sorry to keep name dropping Mamdani. I have no skin in the game seeing as I don't live in NYC. But I do think hes been incredibly successful at reaching out to people that Dems ignore with policies that people have found appealing. And I find his approach and his success as a litmus test for a broader approach in future elections. 

    More than happy to contrast him with my mayor (Brandon Johnson, also a progressive) who has seen minimal success and is seen as a disappointment even on the progressive left. 





    His success was surprising but it could have more to do with people not liking what Cuomo did. Primaries get extremely low voter turnout. I know in this case you'll be able to find something that says  this is the best Primary turnout in a long time. But it's still a primary in the summer with fractional turnout 

    I live in the suburbs so I don't get a chance to vote against him however I do have significant skin in the game..

    one area the city loves to attack for extra revenue is something they call a Commuter tax. They did away with that a long time ago but they always bring it up when they need money.

    So for those of us living in the suburbs they could come after us for more taxes to pay for their free daycare and travel


    The point is there's no such thing as free and he's promising giveaways to get ahead, and after last November quite frankly that's disgusting. Taxation without representation so others could get free stuff
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,812
    To further clarify they just came after the suburbs and the outer boro's for the congestion tax. I think it's not a terrible idea but it is asking people outside the city center to fund the city transit

     another way they do this is they charge extremely higher rates per mile for public transportation the further you live from the city. And completely out of scale. If you were to calculate the cost per mile to take public transportation in the metropolitan area, people living outside the city pay three to four to five times higher per mile.



    We already subsidize the city plenty, and someone like mandami is going to do politics that just doesn't sell to the Country; and the Republicans are going  say  socialism doesn't work, white Democrats make this the hopeful direction of the party. It's like no one is paying attention to how elections work, even in 2020 when a moderate won
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,538
    To further clarify they just came after the suburbs and the outer boro's for the congestion tax. I think it's not a terrible idea but it is asking people outside the city center to fund the city transit

     another way they do this is they charge extremely higher rates per mile for public transportation the further you live from the city. And completely out of scale. If you were to calculate the cost per mile to take public transportation in the metropolitan area, people living outside the city pay three to four to five times higher per mile.



    We already subsidize the city plenty, and someone like mandami is going to do politics that just doesn't sell to the Country; and the Republicans are going  say  socialism doesn't work, white Democrats make this the hopeful direction of the party. It's like no one is paying attention to how elections work, even in 2020 when a moderate won
    With driving being heavily subsidized nearly everywhere else in the country, it’s nice to see the reverse happen. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010

    Exactly how not to run an executive branch. 


    And that’s just the three week period after the debate. According to a few, Woodward being one, it was going on for a year.

    good thing Biden watches morning Joe every day, just like me…

    Mr. Biden’s aides never had him meet with his campaign’s pollsters. Instead, they often presented overly optimistic outlooks of the political landscape, alarming members of the campaign staff, who looked for ways to bypass his longtime advisers Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon


    Mr. Biden was aware of the concern among Democrats — it was impossible to ignore — but his aides continued to provide him with a warped version of reality.

    Mr. Biden had a team of campaign pollsters who were prepared to tell him the truth about the numbers, but they never got the opportunity. They were told they should present to his closest advisers — not to the president himself.

    If Mr. Biden knew about the tanking polls, he did not let on.


    When former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, met privately with Mr. Biden in the White House for a crisis meeting that July, she grew frustrated by his insistence that the polling showed no real change since the debate. Was he not seeing the numbers she was seeing?


    At one point, Mr. Biden asked an aide to put Mr. Donilon on the phone because the president did not believe Ms. Pelosi. She was adamant the polls showed Mr. Biden would lose to Mr. Trump.

    So they went to two people they knew could get Mr. Biden’s attention: the hosts of “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, which the president watched every morning.

    It’s fucking over Democrats fucked up ok you fucking win here’s your 🏅🏅🎖️ 


    You are allowed to post seventeen thousand comments about the horrible living conditions, something BOTH parties have responsibility for…

    but expecting dems/Ocasiocrats, to be honest about the leaders health and mental capacity, and allowing people to vote for the nomination, having an actual democracy, which was their fucking argument against trump , that gets three fucks in eight words from you lol.



    the bias here is intense and astounding 
    "ocasiocrats" is the tell here in your post. 

    Your bias is astounding 

    in case u don’t understand, consider one poster here, Hal, allowed to make a million jokes. 

    If not two million


    But when a centrist does it, must have some other meaning than the words typed. She is the proclaimed leader of the far left. The joke is, she has no path in the current political climate. Yet she keeps going  farther left

    you are maga left. Say hi to them.
    at least get her last name correct. your term is disrespectful and petty. 

    lol if i am maga left, you are maga centrist then. militantly clinging to positions that have no constituency.  hope you like treading water in a place where there are policies literally nobody wants.


    It's putting together her name and the party she wants to control 

    That's a ton of respect. Do you ever take one second and attack the jokes or parody that Hal puts on this forum?

    No you never do because your bias is astounding
    she has a hyphenated name. most women find it disrespectful when you don't use the whole thing when referring to them.

    i don't attack his jokes because he usually attacks people in power or republicans, and that is funny. punching on people that support what ocasio-cortez supports is not funny. its pathetic.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."