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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Guess due process is no longer an ideal in ‘Murica? Like I said previously, some on here are all in on the authoritarianism because of the “other.”
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lerxst1992 said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    Pro-Palestinian activist Khalil walks free after US judge orders release - https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-judge-orders-release-pro-palestinian-activist-khalil-2025-06-20/
    How much is three months of your life worth? How about three months of your life and your new born’s? For context?

    So he is released and took him five minutes to start lying about Hamas propoganda. He lied to get his green card, and now has a baby USA citizen. Before people get angry at that, ask yourself how many euro countries would prohibit that full stop.


    Thanks ai “… no country in the European Union grants automatic and unconditional citizenship to children born there to foreign parents. 
    Instead, many European countries have restricted birthright citizenship policies, often requiring that the parents have legally resided in the country for a certain period of time before the child is born.”
    Yea, thanks AI. Pretty obvious, duh.

    https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/18/is_ai_changing_our_brains/
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
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  • josevolution
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    mickeyrat said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    Double bump! 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,494
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    There is like 20 million from the south.  It's shear numbers difference.  ICE claims they are deporting Europeans but you won't find any stories on it because it isn't newsworthy.
  • Merkin Baller
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    There is like 20 million from the south.  It's shear numbers difference.  ICE claims they are deporting Europeans but you won't find any stories on it because it isn't newsworthy.
    Is there a source for those #s? 

    I could be wrong, but I think the Center for Migration Studies and the Department of Homeland Security's most recent estimates of undocumented immigrants in the US was < 12M, and that's total, not just from the south. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    There is like 20 million from the south.  It's shear numbers difference.  ICE claims they are deporting Europeans but you won't find any stories on it because it isn't newsworthy.
    Is there a source for those #s? 

    I could be wrong, but I think the Center for Migration Studies and the Department of Homeland Security's most recent estimates of undocumented immigrants in the US was < 12M, and that's total, not just from the south. 
    The 12m is estimated.  There are other sources that say as many as 20m which I think is more accurate. they recorded 12 million in the past 10 years.  Thats only what they recorded or have record of.

    This one is old but they did say 20M
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,813
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    There is like 20 million from the south.  It's shear numbers difference.  ICE claims they are deporting Europeans but you won't find any stories on it because it isn't newsworthy.
    Is there a source for those #s? 

    I could be wrong, but I think the Center for Migration Studies and the Department of Homeland Security's most recent estimates of undocumented immigrants in the US was < 12M, and that's total, not just from the south. 
    The 12m is estimated.  There are other sources that say as many as 20m which I think is more accurate. they recorded 12 million in the past 10 years.  Thats only what they recorded or have record of.

    This one is old but they did say 20M
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates
    Thanks, I'll give it a read. 

    That estimate of < 12M was from 2023 btw. (Although I do see that the Federation for Immigration Reform has it around 18M or so). 

    https://cmsny.org/us-undocumented-population-increased-in-july-2023-warren-090624/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,534
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
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  • josevolution
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    There is like 20 million from the south.  It's shear numbers difference.  ICE claims they are deporting Europeans but you won't find any stories on it because it isn't newsworthy.
    I tend to believe that it’s because it ain’t happening since all the focus is on the Spanish immigrants, not sure if it’s the same by you but out here in Smithtown most not all barbershops are run by Eastern European immigrants not saying they are all illegal but I’m sure some overstay their visas 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
    Yale is not MAGA.  Read the article i posted. 20M is very realistic.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    josevolution said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    There is like 20 million from the south.  It's shear numbers difference.  ICE claims they are deporting Europeans but you won't find any stories on it because it isn't newsworthy.
    I tend to believe that it’s because it ain’t happening since all the focus is on the Spanish immigrants, not sure if it’s the same by you but out here in Smithtown most not all barbershops are run by Eastern European immigrants not saying they are all illegal but I’m sure some overstay their visas 
    Same.  They have the barbershop/gold and pawn shops here, lol.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,534
    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
    Yale is not MAGA.  Read the article i posted. 20M is very realistic.
    sorry, we're actually talking about two different things here. MAGA says that biden let in 22 million, which is the horseshit I was referring, my bad for not being clear. 
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  • Go Beavers
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
    Yale is not MAGA.  Read the article i posted. 20M is very realistic.
    I’ve read it and it has significant flaws where they extrapolate wildly. 
  • Bentleyspop
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    edited June 23
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
    Here's how it breaks down by time period...

    Year range.               Number of illegal aliens
    1/21/2017-1/20/2]1.      0
    1/21/21-1/20/25.  20 million across southern border
    1/21/25- present.   O
  • Merkin Baller
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    There is like 20 million from the south.  It's shear numbers difference.  ICE claims they are deporting Europeans but you won't find any stories on it because it isn't newsworthy.
    Is there a source for those #s? 

    I could be wrong, but I think the Center for Migration Studies and the Department of Homeland Security's most recent estimates of undocumented immigrants in the US was < 12M, and that's total, not just from the south. 
    The 12m is estimated.  There are other sources that say as many as 20m which I think is more accurate. they recorded 12 million in the past 10 years.  Thats only what they recorded or have record of.

    This one is old but they did say 20M
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates
    I gave it a quick read at lunch; they do speculate there could be 22M in America, but that was an overall estimate; I didn't see anything specific to points of origin though, or specifically anything to back up the claim that there's "20M from the south". 


    The last couple of paragraphs are interesting: 

    “One of the most common arguments in favor of a tougher immigration policy is that undocumented immigrants are coming with a lot of criminality,” Kaplan notes. But paradoxically, the new findings may undercut that argument. He points out that previous studies, based on the widely accepted total of 11.3 million undocumented immigrants, found that the rate of serious crimes committed by these immigrants is lower than for U.S. citizens. The new findings suggest that the rate is even lower than previously believed: “You have the same number of crimes but now spread over twice as many people as was believed before, which right away means that the crime rate among undocumented immigrants is essentially half whatever was previously believed.”

    With respect to the idea that undocumented immigrants take job opportunities from citizens, Kaplan points to different possible interpretations of the new findings. “The fact that there are actually more people here than we thought before might explain that, but you can also look at it the other way: whatever job displacement there has been happened with twice as many undocumented immigrants as we thought. That causes you to rethink just how much pressure there is.”

    As is typical with academic work, this finding is not an endpoint. Feinstein says, “Hopefully, these results spur further thinking.”

  • Merkin Baller
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
    That's why I'm questioning it... Until tempo posted that Yale study, I've only heard that # from the same guy who speculated that unemployment might really be as high as 40% when he was campaigning in 2016, so I'm skeptical... as we all should be. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
    That's why I'm questioning it... Until tempo posted that Yale study, I've only heard that # from the same guy who speculated that unemployment might really be as high as 40% when he was campaigning in 2016, so I'm skeptical... as we all should be. 
    I've heard the 20m used as a high for years.  You figure they've been crossing the border for 60 years or so.  20 mil isn't out of possibility.
  • josevolution
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    Bentleyspop said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    20 million is the garbage number that maga keeps spewing. You know if that number was real, trump would be saying it was 3 times that amount. 
    Here's how it breaks down by time period...

    Year range.               Number of illegal aliens
    1/21/2017-1/20/2]1.      0
    1/21/21-1/20/25.  20 million across southern border
    1/21/25- present.   O
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