I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally.
I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally.
I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance.
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I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally.
I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance.
I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally.
I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance.
Nail on the head, Benjs.
I'd also argue that this contributes negatively even more to immigrants than it does to females. Females are necessary for the perpetuation of society in the States, but in the eyes of many, immigrants aren't. You could rationalize giving some power to females but feeling that immigrants don't deserve any, through this thought process. You could also rationalizing ignoring or exhibiting undue behaviour towards immigrants by deeming them as 'thieves' deserving of it.
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I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally.
I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance.
You guys are certainly on a roll this morning, but the points of whether "men started out ahead" or whether the analogy is "devoid of reality" are both Irrelevant in the scheme of political strategy
As are the complaints that young men are drawn to people like Andrew Taylor and rogan, that's also irrelevant
Democrats need to be like an NFL coach. You know what the opposition is good at so we need to game plan in order to win.
It is very difficult to prove as the male versus female unemployment rates are very similar, but this stat from BLS nails it. D e i gains exist in the large corporate world, and that's where men have been losing for the last 10 years. I work in a large corporation that's huge on d e i, and it is overwhelming. If you're not living it you don't know it. According to both polls and focus groups, this had a significant impact on the election.
There's no way around it and Democrats better start figuring it out instead of making excuses, because that's all I'm hearing on msdnc and reading on forms like this
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"Occupation and industry. Women accounted for 52.0 percent of all workers employed in management, professional, and related occupations in 2021, somewhat more than their share of total employment (47.0 percent)."
I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him
I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally.
I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance.
Nail on the head, Benjs.
I'd also argue that this contributes negatively even more to immigrants than it does to females. Females are necessary for the perpetuation of society in the States, but in the eyes of many, immigrants aren't. You could rationalize giving some power to females but feeling that immigrants don't deserve any, through this thought process. You could also rationalizing ignoring or exhibiting undue behaviour towards immigrants by deeming them as 'thieves' deserving of it.
I feel (and hope) that this mindset is dying out with the boomers....do you feel that as well? Definitely still some misogyny but it seems like it is kept alive by the old farts.
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I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him
Thats from Nate Silver who considered this Counterpoint from the left, who used to be very popular on here, I guess when the polling was more pro-democratic, and has rejected the thesis, IE excuse making
Yea, Dems should stoop to the toxic masculinity of the gaming, incel, can’t look you in the eye DEI touched spoiled males. Stupid. Which can’t be fixed. Maybe what we need is more Christian home schooling
I’d be totally fine if all Dems resigned, didn’t run and left everything to the repubs. Watching the implosion would be grand.
I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally.
I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance.
Nail on the head, Benjs.
I'd also argue that this contributes negatively even more to immigrants than it does to females. Females are necessary for the perpetuation of society in the States, but in the eyes of many, immigrants aren't. You could rationalize giving some power to females but feeling that immigrants don't deserve any, through this thought process. You could also rationalizing ignoring or exhibiting undue behaviour towards immigrants by deeming them as 'thieves' deserving of it.
I feel (and hope) that this mindset is dying out with the boomers....do you feel that as well? Definitely still some misogyny but it seems like it is kept alive by the old farts.
Can only speak for myself, but I feel that this mindset is cyclical, and linked to power acquisition (which typically happens later in life). This mindset doesn't speak to me, and I hope I'm just being overly cynical.
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I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him
Thats from Nate Silver who considered this Counterpoint from the left, who used to be very popular on here, I guess when the polling was more pro-democratic, and has rejected the thesis, IE excuse making
Self-reported mental health isn’t reliable, as for several reasons, men gravitating towards Andrew Tate, et al are not going to acknowledge mental struggles.
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I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
I did say I did not agree with the politics of the five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention
As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him
Thats from Nate Silver who considered this Counterpoint from the left, who used to be very popular on here, I guess when the polling was more pro-democratic, and has rejected the thesis, IE excuse making
Self-reported mental health isn’t reliable, as for several reasons, men gravitating towards Andrew Tate, et al are not going to acknowledge mental struggles.
Well put.
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brianlux
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I wonder if we will ever know how big the No Kings protest were? It was, without a doubt, one of the biggest ever in the U.S., but just how big is unclear.
The scale of last weekend’s “No Kings” protests is now becoming clearer, with one estimate suggesting that Saturday was among the biggest ever single-day protests in US history.
Working
out exactly where the protest ranks compared with similar recent events
has been a project of G Elliott Morris, a data journalist who runs the
Substack Strength in Numbers, calculated
turnout between 4 million and 6 million, which would be 1.2-1.8% of the
US population. This could exceed the previous record in recent history,
when between 3.3 million and 5.6 million people showed up at the 2017
Women’s March to rally against Trump’s misogynistic rhetoric.
Morris estimated the No Kings Day protest turnout
in two steps. First, his team gathered data at events for as many
locations as possible, defaulting to tallies published in local
newspapers. Where that wasn’t available, they relied on estimates from
organizers and attenders themselves.
To come
up with a rough approximation of nationwide numbers, he then estimated
the attendance in each unreported protest would be equal to the median
of the attendance in places where data did exist. “That’s a tough
approximation, but at least an empirical one,” Morris wrote in an email.
“We use the median instead of the average to control for outliers,
[such as the fact that] big cities pull the average up, but most events
are not huge urban protests.”
Morris stressed
that the Strength in Numbers tally remains unofficial, and he hopes that
researchers will “build” on his data when they conduct more studies.
But his estimation is similar to that made by Ezra Levin, the co-founder
of Indivisible, the progressive non-profit that organized the event. He
estimated that 5 million people across the globe took to the streets.
I wonder if we will ever know how big the No Kings protest were? It was, without a doubt, one of the biggest ever in the U.S., but just how big is unclear.
The scale of last weekend’s “No Kings” protests is now becoming clearer, with one estimate suggesting that Saturday was among the biggest ever single-day protests in US history.
Working
out exactly where the protest ranks compared with similar recent events
has been a project of G Elliott Morris, a data journalist who runs the
Substack Strength in Numbers, calculated
turnout between 4 million and 6 million, which would be 1.2-1.8% of the
US population. This could exceed the previous record in recent history,
when between 3.3 million and 5.6 million people showed up at the 2017
Women’s March to rally against Trump’s misogynistic rhetoric.
Morris estimated the No Kings Day protest turnout
in two steps. First, his team gathered data at events for as many
locations as possible, defaulting to tallies published in local
newspapers. Where that wasn’t available, they relied on estimates from
organizers and attenders themselves.
To come
up with a rough approximation of nationwide numbers, he then estimated
the attendance in each unreported protest would be equal to the median
of the attendance in places where data did exist. “That’s a tough
approximation, but at least an empirical one,” Morris wrote in an email.
“We use the median instead of the average to control for outliers,
[such as the fact that] big cities pull the average up, but most events
are not huge urban protests.”
Morris stressed
that the Strength in Numbers tally remains unofficial, and he hopes that
researchers will “build” on his data when they conduct more studies.
But his estimation is similar to that made by Ezra Levin, the co-founder
of Indivisible, the progressive non-profit that organized the event. He
estimated that 5 million people across the globe took to the streets.
More at link.
But I thought 2017 dwarfed the no kings march? Or so some would wish it to be so…
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing.
The gender disparity wasn’t just in that age group, though. The quick drop in Trump’s approval with the youth suggests that many in this group were drawn to him more about economic issues and less about politicizing gender. They acknowledged that they got duped when it turned out Trump doesn’t give 3 shits about inflation.
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,388
I wonder if we will ever know how big the No Kings protest were? It was, without a doubt, one of the biggest ever in the U.S., but just how big is unclear.
The scale of last weekend’s “No Kings” protests is now becoming clearer, with one estimate suggesting that Saturday was among the biggest ever single-day protests in US history.
Working
out exactly where the protest ranks compared with similar recent events
has been a project of G Elliott Morris, a data journalist who runs the
Substack Strength in Numbers, calculated
turnout between 4 million and 6 million, which would be 1.2-1.8% of the
US population. This could exceed the previous record in recent history,
when between 3.3 million and 5.6 million people showed up at the 2017
Women’s March to rally against Trump’s misogynistic rhetoric.
Morris estimated the No Kings Day protest turnout
in two steps. First, his team gathered data at events for as many
locations as possible, defaulting to tallies published in local
newspapers. Where that wasn’t available, they relied on estimates from
organizers and attenders themselves.
To come
up with a rough approximation of nationwide numbers, he then estimated
the attendance in each unreported protest would be equal to the median
of the attendance in places where data did exist. “That’s a tough
approximation, but at least an empirical one,” Morris wrote in an email.
“We use the median instead of the average to control for outliers,
[such as the fact that] big cities pull the average up, but most events
are not huge urban protests.”
Morris stressed
that the Strength in Numbers tally remains unofficial, and he hopes that
researchers will “build” on his data when they conduct more studies.
But his estimation is similar to that made by Ezra Levin, the co-founder
of Indivisible, the progressive non-profit that organized the event. He
estimated that 5 million people across the globe took to the streets.
More at link.
But I thought 2017 dwarfed the no kings march? Or so some would wish it to be so…
If you mean the demonstrations in support of clownman...
Old white men complaining about DEI is about as tiresome as young white men complaining about DEI. I have no problem getting jobs and I’m no longer a young buck nor am I a person of color. What I am not is a sniveling whining douche that complains about the woe of white man, newsflash, there is nothing to be woeful of. If you are complaining about how hard it is to be white you probably don’t have a handful of firing neurons in your brain anymore.
Very strange that just being a non incel has allowed me to somehow miraculously remain employed and get higher and higher salaries as a middle aged white man, all while winning friends and influencing people of all races. Just try to stop carrying yourself like a sniveling whiny spoiled white boy and you might be amazed by how beautiful life can be.
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Old white men complaining about DEI is about as tiresome as young white men complaining about DEI. I have no problem getting jobs and I’m no longer a young buck nor am I a person of color. What I am not is a sniveling whining douche that complains about the woe of white man, newsflash, there is nothing to be woeful of. If you are complaining about how hard it is to be white you probably don’t have a handful of firing neurons in your brain anymore.
Very strange that just being a non incel has allowed me to somehow miraculously remain employed and get higher and higher salaries as a middle aged white man, all while winning friends and influencing people of all races. Just try to stop carrying yourself like a sniveling whiny spoiled white boy and you might be amazed by how beautiful life can be.
Old white men complaining about DEI is about as tiresome as young white men complaining about DEI. I have no problem getting jobs and I’m no longer a young buck nor am I a person of color. What I am not is a sniveling whining douche that complains about the woe of white man, newsflash, there is nothing to be woeful of. If you are complaining about how hard it is to be white you probably don’t have a handful of firing neurons in your brain anymore.
Very strange that just being a non incel has allowed me to somehow miraculously remain employed and get higher and higher salaries as a middle aged white man, all while winning friends and influencing people of all races. Just try to stop carrying yourself like a sniveling whiny spoiled white boy and you might be amazed by how beautiful life can be.
Bingo! The 18-24 year olds have had 18-24 years of faux news telling them that they’re victims and that they deserve everything at the expense of everyone else. Try having some empathy and ethics.
Just came across something... Trump was seemingly recorded in secret and caught saying to a Fox reporter that he desired the same type of obedience from his constituents (Americans) that Kim Jong Un enjoys.
To me this comes as ZERO surprise and it illustrates once again why folks are screaming and warning about fascism and the US turning into a dictatorship.
That said... and I know most here are generally left leaning and against Trump.. but for those on here that support Trump... do you in all honesty support a dictatorship? A lot of folks voted for Trump and if they had a quarter of a brain they should have seen this stuff coming... so for those who support him... would they prefer a ruler with no limits who punishes anyone who questions him?
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Just came across something... Trump was seemingly recorded in secret and caught saying to a Fox reporter that he desired the same type of obedience from his constituents (Americans) that Kim Jong Un enjoys.
To me this comes as ZERO surprise and it illustrates once again why folks are screaming and warning about fascism and the US turning into a dictatorship.
That said... and I know most here are generally left leaning and against Trump.. but for those on here that support Trump... do you in all honesty support a dictatorship? A lot of folks voted for Trump and if they had a quarter of a brain they should have seen this stuff coming... so for those who support him... would they prefer a ruler with no limits who punishes anyone who questions him?
trump said this during his first term.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Just came across something... Trump was seemingly recorded in secret and caught saying to a Fox reporter that he desired the same type of obedience from his constituents (Americans) that Kim Jong Un enjoys.
To me this comes as ZERO surprise and it illustrates once again why folks are screaming and warning about fascism and the US turning into a dictatorship.
That said... and I know most here are generally left leaning and against Trump.. but for those on here that support Trump... do you in all honesty support a dictatorship? A lot of folks voted for Trump and if they had a quarter of a brain they should have seen this stuff coming... so for those who support him... would they prefer a ruler with no limits who punishes anyone who questions him?
trump said this during his first term.
i thought it was recent lol hard to keep up with this stuff sometimes
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Just came across something... Trump was seemingly recorded in secret and caught saying to a Fox reporter that he desired the same type of obedience from his constituents (Americans) that Kim Jong Un enjoys.
To me this comes as ZERO surprise and it illustrates once again why folks are screaming and warning about fascism and the US turning into a dictatorship.
That said... and I know most here are generally left leaning and against Trump.. but for those on here that support Trump... do you in all honesty support a dictatorship? A lot of folks voted for Trump and if they had a quarter of a brain they should have seen this stuff coming... so for those who support him... would they prefer a ruler with no limits who punishes anyone who questions him?
trump said this during his first term.
i thought it was recent lol hard to keep up with this stuff sometimes
he probably said it again recently. you know how he is.
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Just came across something... Trump was seemingly recorded in secret and caught saying to a Fox reporter that he desired the same type of obedience from his constituents (Americans) that Kim Jong Un enjoys.
To me this comes as ZERO surprise and it illustrates once again why folks are screaming and warning about fascism and the US turning into a dictatorship.
That said... and I know most here are generally left leaning and against Trump.. but for those on here that support Trump... do you in all honesty support a dictatorship? A lot of folks voted for Trump and if they had a quarter of a brain they should have seen this stuff coming... so for those who support him... would they prefer a ruler with no limits who punishes anyone who questions him?
I hope you get an honest answer to your questions, Parksy, but I can't help but wonder how many Trump supporters privately feel betrayed and duped by him, but may not be inclined to admit that here.
Maybe this will help those of you who are T supporters and feel let down and betrayed: I voted for Jill Stein in the California primaries for the 2016 election. Boy, was that a mistake! I'm embarrassed to admit I voted for her, but not ashamed. It's easy to get fooled. I learned something from that.
So there, that wasn't so bad.
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You guys are certainly on a roll this morning, but the points of whether "men started out ahead" or whether the analogy is "devoid of reality" are both Irrelevant in the scheme of political strategy
As are the complaints that young men are drawn to people like Andrew Taylor and rogan, that's also irrelevant
Democrats need to be like an NFL coach. You know what the opposition is good at so we need to game plan in order to win.
It is very difficult to prove as the male versus female unemployment rates are very similar, but this stat from BLS nails it. D e i gains exist in the large corporate world, and that's where men have been losing for the last 10 years. I work in a large corporation that's huge on d e i, and it is overwhelming. If you're not living it you don't know it. According to both polls and focus groups, this had a significant impact on the election.
There's no way around it and Democrats better start figuring it out instead of making excuses, because that's all I'm hearing on msdnc and reading on forms like this
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"Occupation and industry. Women accounted for 52.0 percent of all workers employed in management, professional, and related occupations in 2021, somewhat more than their share of total employment (47.0 percent)."
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Thats from Nate Silver who considered this Counterpoint from the left, who used to be very popular on here, I guess when the polling was more pro-democratic, and has rejected the thesis, IE excuse making
I’d be totally fine if all Dems resigned, didn’t run and left everything to the repubs. Watching the implosion would be grand.
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The scale of last weekend’s “No Kings” protests is now becoming clearer, with one estimate suggesting that Saturday was among the biggest ever single-day protests in US history.
Working out exactly where the protest ranks compared with similar recent events has been a project of G Elliott Morris, a data journalist who runs the Substack Strength in Numbers, calculated turnout between 4 million and 6 million, which would be 1.2-1.8% of the US population. This could exceed the previous record in recent history, when between 3.3 million and 5.6 million people showed up at the 2017 Women’s March to rally against Trump’s misogynistic rhetoric.
Morris estimated the No Kings Day protest turnout in two steps. First, his team gathered data at events for as many locations as possible, defaulting to tallies published in local newspapers. Where that wasn’t available, they relied on estimates from organizers and attenders themselves.To come up with a rough approximation of nationwide numbers, he then estimated the attendance in each unreported protest would be equal to the median of the attendance in places where data did exist. “That’s a tough approximation, but at least an empirical one,” Morris wrote in an email. “We use the median instead of the average to control for outliers, [such as the fact that] big cities pull the average up, but most events are not huge urban protests.”
Morris stressed that the Strength in Numbers tally remains unofficial, and he hopes that researchers will “build” on his data when they conduct more studies. But his estimation is similar to that made by Ezra Levin, the co-founder of Indivisible, the progressive non-profit that organized the event. He estimated that 5 million people across the globe took to the streets.
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Yeah man, fuck those old white men!
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To me this comes as ZERO surprise and it illustrates once again why folks are screaming and warning about fascism and the US turning into a dictatorship.
That said... and I know most here are generally left leaning and against Trump.. but for those on here that support Trump... do you in all honesty support a dictatorship? A lot of folks voted for Trump and if they had a quarter of a brain they should have seen this stuff coming... so for those who support him... would they prefer a ruler with no limits who punishes anyone who questions him?
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Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
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Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."