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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally. 
    I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance. 
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
    benjs said:
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally. 
    I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance. 
    Nail on the head, Benjs. 
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    benjs said:
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally. 
    I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance. 
    Nail on the head, Benjs. 
    I'd also argue that this contributes negatively even more to immigrants than it does to females. Females are necessary for the perpetuation of society in the States, but in the eyes of many, immigrants aren't. You could rationalize giving some power to females but feeling that immigrants don't deserve any, through this thought process. You could also rationalizing ignoring or exhibiting undue behaviour towards immigrants by deeming them as 'thieves' deserving of it.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,852
    benjs said:
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally. 
    I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance. 

    You guys are certainly on a roll this morning, but the points of whether "men started out ahead" or whether the analogy is "devoid of reality" are both Irrelevant in the scheme of political strategy

    As are the complaints that young men are drawn to people like Andrew Taylor and rogan, that's also irrelevant 

    Democrats need to be like an NFL coach. You know what the opposition is good at so we need to game plan in order to win.


    It is very difficult to prove as the male versus female unemployment rates are very similar, but this stat from BLS nails it. D e i gains exist in the large corporate world, and that's where men have been losing for the last 10 years. I work in a large corporation that's huge on d e i, and it is overwhelming. If you're not living it you don't know it. According to both polls and focus groups, this had a significant impact on the election.


     There's no way around it and Democrats better start figuring it out instead of making excuses, because that's all I'm hearing on msdnc and reading on forms like this

    ...

    "Occupation and industry. Women accounted for 52.0 percent of all workers employed in management, professional, and related occupations in 2021, somewhat more than their share of total employment (47.0 percent)."
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him 
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  • Gern Blansten
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    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally. 
    I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance. 
    Nail on the head, Benjs. 
    I'd also argue that this contributes negatively even more to immigrants than it does to females. Females are necessary for the perpetuation of society in the States, but in the eyes of many, immigrants aren't. You could rationalize giving some power to females but feeling that immigrants don't deserve any, through this thought process. You could also rationalizing ignoring or exhibiting undue behaviour towards immigrants by deeming them as 'thieves' deserving of it.
    I feel (and hope) that this mindset is dying out with the boomers....do you feel that as well? Definitely still some misogyny but it seems like it is kept alive by the old farts.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him 





    Thats from Nate Silver who considered this Counterpoint from the left, who used to be very popular on here, I guess when the polling was more pro-democratic, and has rejected the thesis, IE excuse making
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Yea, Dems should stoop to the toxic masculinity of the gaming, incel, can’t look you in the eye DEI touched spoiled males. Stupid. Which can’t be fixed. Maybe what we need is more Christian home schooling

    I’d be totally fine if all Dems resigned, didn’t run and left everything to the repubs. Watching the implosion would be grand.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    This whole "females are doing better than their counterparts" analogy seems devoid of reality and somehow garnered enough support for at least a certain part of young men to find it to be true. Women have come a long way with establishing closer job equality with their male coworkers, but for people to actually believe a woman is better off than them at getting gainful liveable wage employment is BS. Expectations, wage equality and upper level positions are still not being offered equally. 
    I think it goes back to the concept of the finiteness of power. If females make advances in society, many will see that as fewer potential advances available for men. Technically, that's correct, but they seem to not realize (or care about) the fact that they started out ahead, and that this is a step towards balance rather than imbalance. 
    Nail on the head, Benjs. 
    I'd also argue that this contributes negatively even more to immigrants than it does to females. Females are necessary for the perpetuation of society in the States, but in the eyes of many, immigrants aren't. You could rationalize giving some power to females but feeling that immigrants don't deserve any, through this thought process. You could also rationalizing ignoring or exhibiting undue behaviour towards immigrants by deeming them as 'thieves' deserving of it.
    I feel (and hope) that this mindset is dying out with the boomers....do you feel that as well? Definitely still some misogyny but it seems like it is kept alive by the old farts.
    Can only speak for myself, but I feel that this mindset is cyclical, and linked to power acquisition (which typically happens later in life). This mindset doesn't speak to me, and I hope I'm just being overly cynical. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him 





    Thats from Nate Silver who considered this Counterpoint from the left, who used to be very popular on here, I guess when the polling was more pro-democratic, and has rejected the thesis, IE excuse making
    Self-reported mental health isn’t reliable, as for several reasons, men gravitating towards Andrew Tate, et al are not going to acknowledge mental struggles.  
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  • JeBurkhardt
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    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 

    I did say I did not agree with the politics of the  five young men in that video. And I agree they do not understand politics like older people do. However, they do get a vote and Democrats need the young vote. This was supposed to be the Obama awakening and it’s fallen flat on its face. If I were a Democratic strategist, I’d be paying careful attention

    As much as these young men know little about political strategy, they are smart enough to know that in their specific generation, their female friends are doing much better than their male friends. When companies have specific hiring and promotion targets, someone has to pay the price. But that’s just a sidebar to the overall recent political demographic challenges to the Democratic Party,
    Joe Rogan that’s who got all those young males to vote for him 





    Thats from Nate Silver who considered this Counterpoint from the left, who used to be very popular on here, I guess when the polling was more pro-democratic, and has rejected the thesis, IE excuse making
    Self-reported mental health isn’t reliable, as for several reasons, men gravitating towards Andrew Tate, et al are not going to acknowledge mental struggles.  
    Well put.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I wonder if we will ever know how big the No Kings protest were?  It was, without a doubt, one of the biggest ever in the U.S., but just how big is unclear.

    The scale of last weekend’s “No Kings” protests is now becoming clearer, with one estimate suggesting that Saturday was among the biggest ever single-day protests in US history.

    Working out exactly where the protest ranks compared with similar recent events has been a project of G Elliott Morris, a data journalist who runs the Substack Strength in Numbers, calculated turnout between 4 million and 6 million, which would be 1.2-1.8% of the US population. This could exceed the previous record in recent history, when between 3.3 million and 5.6 million people showed up at the 2017 Women’s March to rally against Trump’s misogynistic rhetoric.

    Morris estimated the No Kings Day protest turnout in two steps. First, his team gathered data at events for as many locations as possible, defaulting to tallies published in local newspapers. Where that wasn’t available, they relied on estimates from organizers and attenders themselves.

    To come up with a rough approximation of nationwide numbers, he then estimated the attendance in each unreported protest would be equal to the median of the attendance in places where data did exist. “That’s a tough approximation, but at least an empirical one,” Morris wrote in an email. “We use the median instead of the average to control for outliers, [such as the fact that] big cities pull the average up, but most events are not huge urban protests.”

    Morris stressed that the Strength in Numbers tally remains unofficial, and he hopes that researchers will “build” on his data when they conduct more studies. But his estimation is similar to that made by Ezra Levin, the co-founder of Indivisible, the progressive non-profit that organized the event. He estimated that 5 million people across the globe took to the streets.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    brianlux said:
    I wonder if we will ever know how big the No Kings protest were?  It was, without a doubt, one of the biggest ever in the U.S., but just how big is unclear.

    The scale of last weekend’s “No Kings” protests is now becoming clearer, with one estimate suggesting that Saturday was among the biggest ever single-day protests in US history.

    Working out exactly where the protest ranks compared with similar recent events has been a project of G Elliott Morris, a data journalist who runs the Substack Strength in Numbers, calculated turnout between 4 million and 6 million, which would be 1.2-1.8% of the US population. This could exceed the previous record in recent history, when between 3.3 million and 5.6 million people showed up at the 2017 Women’s March to rally against Trump’s misogynistic rhetoric.

    Morris estimated the No Kings Day protest turnout in two steps. First, his team gathered data at events for as many locations as possible, defaulting to tallies published in local newspapers. Where that wasn’t available, they relied on estimates from organizers and attenders themselves.

    To come up with a rough approximation of nationwide numbers, he then estimated the attendance in each unreported protest would be equal to the median of the attendance in places where data did exist. “That’s a tough approximation, but at least an empirical one,” Morris wrote in an email. “We use the median instead of the average to control for outliers, [such as the fact that] big cities pull the average up, but most events are not huge urban protests.”

    Morris stressed that the Strength in Numbers tally remains unofficial, and he hopes that researchers will “build” on his data when they conduct more studies. But his estimation is similar to that made by Ezra Levin, the co-founder of Indivisible, the progressive non-profit that organized the event. He estimated that 5 million people across the globe took to the streets.


    More at link.

    But I thought 2017 dwarfed the no kings march? Or so some would wish it to be so…
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think you all are looking deep enough when it comes to this male age range moving to Trump. There is no way in hell they are considering the economic facts of dems vs reps (which clearly favour dems). Whether they were too young to know it before Trump's current term or not, that has nothing to do with it, especially since most people that age know next to nothing about how the economy actually works. What this move of young white men towards Trump is really about, I think, is male identity issues.... and all things considered, that is profoundly disturbing. 
    The gender disparity wasn’t just in that age group, though. The quick drop in Trump’s approval with the youth suggests that many in this group were drawn to him more about economic issues and less about politicizing gender. They acknowledged that they got duped when it turned out Trump doesn’t give 3 shits about inflation. 
  • brianlux
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    brianlux said:
    I wonder if we will ever know how big the No Kings protest were?  It was, without a doubt, one of the biggest ever in the U.S., but just how big is unclear.

    The scale of last weekend’s “No Kings” protests is now becoming clearer, with one estimate suggesting that Saturday was among the biggest ever single-day protests in US history.

    Working out exactly where the protest ranks compared with similar recent events has been a project of G Elliott Morris, a data journalist who runs the Substack Strength in Numbers, calculated turnout between 4 million and 6 million, which would be 1.2-1.8% of the US population. This could exceed the previous record in recent history, when between 3.3 million and 5.6 million people showed up at the 2017 Women’s March to rally against Trump’s misogynistic rhetoric.

    Morris estimated the No Kings Day protest turnout in two steps. First, his team gathered data at events for as many locations as possible, defaulting to tallies published in local newspapers. Where that wasn’t available, they relied on estimates from organizers and attenders themselves.

    To come up with a rough approximation of nationwide numbers, he then estimated the attendance in each unreported protest would be equal to the median of the attendance in places where data did exist. “That’s a tough approximation, but at least an empirical one,” Morris wrote in an email. “We use the median instead of the average to control for outliers, [such as the fact that] big cities pull the average up, but most events are not huge urban protests.”

    Morris stressed that the Strength in Numbers tally remains unofficial, and he hopes that researchers will “build” on his data when they conduct more studies. But his estimation is similar to that made by Ezra Levin, the co-founder of Indivisible, the progressive non-profit that organized the event. He estimated that 5 million people across the globe took to the streets.


    More at link.

    But I thought 2017 dwarfed the no kings march? Or so some would wish it to be so…

    If you mean the demonstrations in support of clownman...
    If wishes were horses... :lol:
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  • static111
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    Old white men complaining about DEI is about as tiresome as young white men complaining about DEI.  I have no problem getting jobs and I’m no longer a young buck nor am I a person of color. What I am not is a sniveling whining douche that complains about the woe of white man, newsflash, there is nothing to be woeful of.  If you are complaining about how hard it is to be white you probably don’t have a handful of firing neurons in your brain anymore. 

    Very strange that just being a non incel has allowed me to somehow miraculously remain employed and get higher and higher salaries as a middle aged white man, all while winning friends and influencing people of all races. Just try to stop carrying yourself like a sniveling whiny spoiled white boy and you might be amazed by how beautiful life can be.
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  • brianlux
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    static111 said:
    Old white men complaining about DEI is about as tiresome as young white men complaining about DEI.  I have no problem getting jobs and I’m no longer a young buck nor am I a person of color. What I am not is a sniveling whining douche that complains about the woe of white man, newsflash, there is nothing to be woeful of.  If you are complaining about how hard it is to be white you probably don’t have a handful of firing neurons in your brain anymore. 

    Very strange that just being a non incel has allowed me to somehow miraculously remain employed and get higher and higher salaries as a middle aged white man, all while winning friends and influencing people of all races. Just try to stop carrying yourself like a sniveling whiny spoiled white boy and you might be amazed by how beautiful life can be.

    Yeah man, fuck those old white men!  :lol:
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    static111 said:
    Old white men complaining about DEI is about as tiresome as young white men complaining about DEI.  I have no problem getting jobs and I’m no longer a young buck nor am I a person of color. What I am not is a sniveling whining douche that complains about the woe of white man, newsflash, there is nothing to be woeful of.  If you are complaining about how hard it is to be white you probably don’t have a handful of firing neurons in your brain anymore. 

    Very strange that just being a non incel has allowed me to somehow miraculously remain employed and get higher and higher salaries as a middle aged white man, all while winning friends and influencing people of all races. Just try to stop carrying yourself like a sniveling whiny spoiled white boy and you might be amazed by how beautiful life can be.
    Bingo! The 18-24 year olds have had 18-24 years of faux news telling them that they’re victims and that they deserve everything at the expense of everyone else. Try having some empathy and ethics.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    about these incels, maybe it is time to finally legalize prostitution.
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