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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,885
    shecky said:
    What exactly are Democrats protesting on the streets? What we are seeing is directly relating to Democratic policy on immigration over the last 10 years.
    Correct and it was great policy. We should stand up for it. More immigrants. More workers. More people shopping in local communities and paying taxes. 
    And virtually all illegal aliens receive free medical care, simply by virtue of showing up at our hospital emergency rooms. By law, they cannot be turned away without care. So, be it a common cold, a broken leg or the birth of an anchor baby, illegals are receiving a benefit that most Americans don't - free medical care. Even those of us on Medicare, which we have paid for our entire working lives, is no longer free (as we were promised all those years). We are charged $174.70 per month and, the coverage is so lousy that we must also buy a supplemental medical insurance policy. Mine costs me another $186.00 per month.
    Imagine telling on yourself that you don’t want to be kind to people. Especially like Jesus said to
    And lying about the "lousy coverage"....as someone dealing with two parents with large medical expenses that's just absolutely false
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,243
    shecky said:
    What exactly are Democrats protesting on the streets? What we are seeing is directly relating to Democratic policy on immigration over the last 10 years.
    Correct and it was great policy. We should stand up for it. More immigrants. More workers. More people shopping in local communities and paying taxes. 
    And virtually all illegal aliens receive free medical care, simply by virtue of showing up at our hospital emergency rooms. By law, they cannot be turned away without care. So, be it a common cold, a broken leg or the birth of an anchor baby, illegals are receiving a benefit that most Americans don't - free medical care. Even those of us on Medicare, which we have paid for our entire working lives, is no longer free (as we were promised all those years). We are charged $174.70 per month and, the coverage is so lousy that we must also buy a supplemental medical insurance policy. Mine costs me another $186.00 per month.
    Imagine telling on yourself that you don’t want to be kind to people. Especially like Jesus said to
     C’mon you know Jesus meant  only white Christian’s 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,481
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/los-angeles-business-owners-sick-tired-stupid-anti-ice-rioters-looting-stores

    Yeah, let's be nice to the rioters and they'll quit stealing and robbing. The irony is, many of these small business owners being looted are indeed legal immigrants themselves, who came here to work hard and build a better life. How dare they do it the legal way!
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,243
    edited June 11
    no one is saying that. Protest peacefully. Arrest those breaking the law. Like so many things discussed in these forums, the minority doesn’t represent the majority. So stop painting things as such. It’s disingenuous and it only makes you and your word look bad.
    Post edited by Tim Simmons on
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,747
    shecky said:
    What exactly are Democrats protesting on the streets? What we are seeing is directly relating to Democratic policy on immigration over the last 10 years.
    Correct and it was great policy. We should stand up for it. More immigrants. More workers. More people shopping in local communities and paying taxes. 
    And virtually all illegal aliens receive free medical care, simply by virtue of showing up at our hospital emergency rooms. By law, they cannot be turned away without care. So, be it a common cold, a broken leg or the birth of an anchor baby, illegals are receiving a benefit that most Americans don't - free medical care. Even those of us on Medicare, which we have paid for our entire working lives, is no longer free (as we were promised all those years). We are charged $174.70 per month and, the coverage is so lousy that we must also buy a supplemental medical insurance policy. Mine costs me another $186.00 per month.
    wait, according to you guys medicare is an entitlement, not an earned benefit. so which is it?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,747
    i'm glad i am not voting for or actively supporting a man that wants to take away my health insurance.

    but you guys do you.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • cutzcutz Posts: 12,183
    shecky said:
    With so many "Big Beautiful Birthday" parties celebrating President Trump's 79th birthday this Saturday, it's hard to decide which to attend. 
    However, if the rioting and looting in L.A. aren't quelled soon, I may need to head down to L.A. to assist older relatives so, maybe there.
    TDS
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,474
    What exactly are Democrats protesting on the streets? What we are seeing is directly relating to Democratic policy on immigration over the last 10 years. We had our chance and blew it. Believe it or not right before these protest started. Trump had a solid approval rating on immigration. We had an election, the voters judged Democrats on their record of immigration, and Democrats lost. These protests are more of the same and could end up blowing up as usual in Democrat‘s faces.

    I am not saying that I support his immigration policy. But I know in order to have power you need to win elections and in order to do that you need to reach moderate voters. 54% tells us that the moderates are not with us. We need a new strategy, because the old politics from his first term are not working regarding immigration.



    “ CBS News/YouGov poll conducted June 4–6 found that 54 percent of Americans approve of Trump's deportation policy—higher than his approval ratings on the economy (42 percent) or inflation (39 percent). The poll was completed just days before the president deployed National Guard troops to Los Angeles on June 8, following escalating protests.
    You have to factor in that his approval is higher with people who are less informed. The question to ask is do you approve of an immigration policy that’s been deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court? 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,765
    Nice to have a list of who to vote out though 
    1 issue voter? 
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,243
    do I seem like a basic bitch? 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,765
    You statement sounded like you are a 1 issue voter 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,320
    shecky said:
    What exactly are Democrats protesting on the streets? What we are seeing is directly relating to Democratic policy on immigration over the last 10 years.
    Correct and it was great policy. We should stand up for it. More immigrants. More workers. More people shopping in local communities and paying taxes. 
    And virtually all illegal aliens receive free medical care, simply by virtue of showing up at our hospital emergency rooms. By law, they cannot be turned away without care. So, be it a common cold, a broken leg or the birth of an anchor baby, illegals are receiving a benefit that most Americans don't - free medical care. Even those of us on Medicare, which we have paid for our entire working lives, is no longer free (as we were promised all those years). We are charged $174.70 per month and, the coverage is so lousy that we must also buy a supplemental medical insurance policy. Mine costs me another $186.00 per month.
    Imagine telling on yourself that you don’t want to be kind to people. Especially like Jesus said to
     C’mon you know Jesus meant  only white Christian’s 
    Wealthy white male Christians who claim to be straight and "christian."
    Everyone else can f$%k off.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,243
    You statement sounded like you are a 1 issue voter 
    I contain multitudes 
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,766

    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
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    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,940
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,747
    yep. the dems are supposed to be the party of ideas, but they keep the young people down. that to me is inexcusable.

    a third, more progressive party is going to get formed and leave the dems in the dust. and the dems will deserve it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,766
    Is it fake news he was ousted due to diversity?
    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,243
    edited June 12
    Yes. He was ousted because he wasn’t happy with the status quo which the DNC was fine with maintaining.. He wanted to promote fighters, new PsOV and fresh blood. 

    Current democratic thought is let Trump sink himself and they’ll come crawling back. Which, sure, is what may happen. But it means nothing will get better for people.
    Post edited by Tim Simmons on
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,243
    yep. the dems are supposed to be the party of ideas, but they keep the young people down. that to me is inexcusable.

    a third, more progressive party is going to get formed and leave the dems in the dust. and the dems will deserve it.
    While I love this idea, a viable third party will never happen. Look how Republicans just bent over for Trumpism. Dems will do the same thing to keep progressives. I mean Joe even gave Bernie a big voice in the party in 2020 and that’s why college loan forgiveness was a big issue for Joe. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,783
    I'm sorry, I don't think the Vice Chair of the DNC should be supporting the primar(ing) of their own party.  Good riddance to him.  The downside was worse than the upside.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,402
    What the fuck is this shit?


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,402
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm sorry, I don't think the Vice Chair of the DNC should be supporting the primar(ing) of their own party.  Good riddance to him.  The downside was worse than the upside.  
    I don’t know enough about the primary system to comment, but I think he has a bright future as a vocal progressive in politics. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall after a very restful summer exploring the Great Canadian Wilderness and beaches, listening to Pearl Jam, Headstones, Watchmen, Queens of the Stone Age, and many others. 

    In my absence, please refer to the following for any reasoned debate on any given matter (please note this list is not exhaustive):

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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,766
    The first Politico headline was:

    "DNC boots David Hogg and another vice chair from their roles"



    1993: 11/22 Little Rock
    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,783
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm sorry, I don't think the Vice Chair of the DNC should be supporting the primar(ing) of their own party.  Good riddance to him.  The downside was worse than the upside.  
    I don’t know enough about the primary system to comment, but I think he has a bright future as a vocal progressive in politics. 
    That's fine, be a voice or grass roots organizer.  But being in leadership means you don't pick winners and losers, and you don't run candidates against your own field.  That's just bad for the party.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,402
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm sorry, I don't think the Vice Chair of the DNC should be supporting the primar(ing) of their own party.  Good riddance to him.  The downside was worse than the upside.  
    I don’t know enough about the primary system to comment, but I think he has a bright future as a vocal progressive in politics. 
    That's fine, be a voice or grass roots organizer.  But being in leadership means you don't pick winners and losers, and you don't run candidates against your own field.  That's just bad for the party.  
    I definitely defer to your expertise on this. 

    However, don’t you think the party needs a shakeup? 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall after a very restful summer exploring the Great Canadian Wilderness and beaches, listening to Pearl Jam, Headstones, Watchmen, Queens of the Stone Age, and many others. 

    In my absence, please refer to the following for any reasoned debate on any given matter (please note this list is not exhaustive):

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,783
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm sorry, I don't think the Vice Chair of the DNC should be supporting the primar(ing) of their own party.  Good riddance to him.  The downside was worse than the upside.  
    I don’t know enough about the primary system to comment, but I think he has a bright future as a vocal progressive in politics. 
    That's fine, be a voice or grass roots organizer.  But being in leadership means you don't pick winners and losers, and you don't run candidates against your own field.  That's just bad for the party.  
    I definitely defer to your expertise on this. 

    However, don’t you think the party needs a shakeup? 
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  Sure a shakeup might be good, but an executive putting their thumb (or money) on the scale and picking who is supported and who is not, is not appropriate for that position.  The DNC as an organization should allow the people and affiliated groups vie for the message and candidates who represent the party.  It should not be coming from the Vice Chairman.  His job was to support (or be neutral)  all of the candidates and once they are chosen, put the full weight of the party apparatus (including fund raising) behind the candidate that was chosen in the primary.  
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,528
    Poncier said:
    What exactly are Democrats protesting on the streets? What we are seeing is directly relating to Democratic policy on immigration over the last 10 years. 
    So the Democrats are to blame for immigration for the 4 years from 2017-2021 when your boy DJT was in office?
    Got it.
    My boy bwah!
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,528
    DE4173 said:
    Oh no

    A Tale of Two Resolutions: 75 Dems Join GOP in Resolution Praising Trump’s Mass Deportation Regime

    These 75 Democrats joined Republicans to "express gratitude" to ICE agents and call for greater local and state collaboration with ICE.




    https://jonathancohn.medium.com/a-tale-of-two-resolutions-75-dems-join-gop-in-resolution-praising-trumps-mass-deportation-regime-15cf590770ea

    Maybe there is a reason so many Democrats joined with the Rs on this issue? Just maybe? Definitely maybe?
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,528
    What exactly are Democrats protesting on the streets? What we are seeing is directly relating to Democratic policy on immigration over the last 10 years.
    Correct and it was great policy. We should stand up for it. More immigrants. More workers. More people shopping in local communities and paying taxes. 

    It was a great policy for how to lose an election?

    It was a great policy to lose support amongst most every demo,  including those of the same demo as those that come here illegally?

    Bidens border policy was a mess, and it likely wasn't even his policy. 

    My next post will address that perhaps. 
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