Elon Musk

Bentleyspop · May 8

tbergs said:

Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.

There's lots of photos even video. But George Soros paid off the military to make them go away.

Halifax2TheMax · May 8

When is Elongitaint going to finish counting the gold at Fort Knox and bring back Ringling Brothers Circus?

Bentleyspop · May 8

Halifax2TheMax said:

When is Elongitaint going to finish counting the gold at Fort Knox and bring back Ringling Brothers Circus?

He already did. See recent cabinet meeting...

mickeyrat · May 15

New: The State Department has intervened on behalf of Musk's satellite internet company in five developing nations. In Gambia, U.S. diplomats have lobbied and browbeat at least seven government ministers as part of a “maximum pressure” campaign. https://propub.li/4j5039k

mickeyrat · May 15

According to Grok, Elon programmed him to spread propoganda about white genocide

But somehow failed to program it not to mention he did that

mrussel1 · May 16

tbergs said:

Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.

Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.

gimmesometruth27 · May 16

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.

Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.

also he never had any idea where he was.

mrussel1 · May 16

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.

Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.

also he never had any idea where he was.

But left no evidence.

Halifax2TheMax · May 16

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.

Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.

also he never had any idea where he was.

But left no evidence.

A million dollar bribe makes people do strange things.

josevolution · May 16

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.

Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.

also he never had any idea where he was.

But left no evidence.

A million dollar bribe makes people do strange things.

No doubt I wonder what was promised for the plane

mickeyrat · May 19

In a letter to a top U.S. diplomat, U.K. officials voiced concerns about SpaceX’s plans to fly its Starship 9 rocket over British territories in the Caribbean, where debris fell after two of the company's rockets exploded.

The FAA has approved the launch anyway, pending the completion of an investigation into the previous explosion.

Read more: https://propub.li/3H0zSmU

mickeyrat · May 20

https://www.wosu.org/npr-news/2025-05-20/musk-to-slow-down-political-spending-i-think-ive-done-enough?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKZ0HJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHgcPhS29qRsu4TMkSeebRnupjEqE6TvCnkyG-LVPzQd-jFsi7rueFHCV5pV4_aem_AJSB7aURVMp_nbSkzArjfQ

When asked if spending less on politics was driven by any blowback he's weathered in the Trump administration, Musk said: "If I see a reason to do political spending in the future. I will do it. But I don't currently see a reason." Musk, the world's richest person, funneled nearly $300 million into the campaign of President Trump, becoming a top political donor and a symbolically potent ally of the president.

Evel K · May 27

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.

This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.

I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.

TSLA is a terrible investment.

Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.

TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.

Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.

Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?

I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.

And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.

I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.

We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.

Gern Blansten · May 27

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.

This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.

I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.

TSLA is a terrible investment.

Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.

TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.

Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.

Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?

I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.

And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.

I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.

We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.

lol...the "left" probably held this company up the last several years.

Get an argument that makes sense please.

mickeyrat · May 27

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.

This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.

I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.

TSLA is a terrible investment.

Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.

TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.

Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.

Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?

I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.

And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.

I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.

We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.

what has happened in the month since mrussel1 posted that reply? hmm?

reports the musk is stepping away from his "consulting" for fuckstick? which followed clisely behind reporting that the tesla board was considering shitcanning him?

Evel K · May 28

Gern Blansten said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.

This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.

I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.

TSLA is a terrible investment.

Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.

TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.

Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.

Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?

I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.

And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.

I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.

We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.

lol...the "left" probably held this company up the last several years.

Get an argument that makes sense please.

The argument for Tesla still being an excellent long term investment? It's all in the previous quotes. @mrussel1 says Elon can't throw billions because his net worth is tied up in stock. 100% WRONG! Check debt to equity ratio. He thinks autonomous driving tech is somehow exclusive to EVs. Again, WRONG. He's not guaranteeing Tesla is falling apart. That is laughable. As far as DOGE is concerned, it had a planned termination date from day 1. Finally , in 2024 Tesla sold more vehicles in China than the US. I guess you could consider China left-leaning!

Tim Simmons · May 28

Why are you carrying his water?

mrussel1 · May 28

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.

This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.

I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.

TSLA is a terrible investment.

Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.

TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.

Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.

Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?

I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.

And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.

I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.

We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.

lol...the "left" probably held this company up the last several years.

Get an argument that makes sense please.

The argument for Tesla still being an excellent long term investment? It's all in the previous quotes. @mrussel1 says Elon can't throw billions because his net worth is tied up in stock. 100% WRONG! Check debt to equity ratio. He thinks autonomous driving tech is somehow exclusive to EVs. Again, WRONG. He's not guaranteeing Tesla is falling apart. That is laughable. As far as DOGE is concerned, it had a planned termination date from day 1. Finally , in 2024 Tesla sold more vehicles in China than the US. I guess you could consider China left-leaning!

I say that I think TSLA is a bad LTI and you post a 30 day look and say I'm wrong. Unless you're a gnat, 30 days is not long term. TSLA is erratic as shown by your chart, and if you extend it out a few years, you see huge peaks and valleys. And that was before Musk decided to alienate his US customers.

Look, you can throw money at a company with a TTM P/E of $208, but I don't find that to be a particularly good value. That's all well and good if you are in your first few years of public trading, but they are not.

You bring up China and that is a growth market for them, but they only grew 8.8% YOY, not exactly gangbusters. And Chinese competition is growing. You don't think Xi might put his thumb on that industry a bit?

Should we talk about the 49% reduction in European sales for TSLA? They had that drop when teh market itself grew by 27%.

Why not go back and read what I actually said. "Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically."

Kat · May 28

AP article

Elon Musk criticizes Trump’s ‘big beautiful bill,’ a fracture in a key relationship

Updated 3:23 PM CDT, May 28, 2025

WASHINGTON (AP) — Elon Musk is criticizing the centerpiece of President Donald Trump’s legislative agenda, a significant fracture in a partnership that was forged during last year’s campaign and was poised to reshape American politics and the federal government.

The billionaire entrepreneur, who supported Trump’s candidacy with at least $250 million and has worked for his administration as a senior adviser, said he was “disappointed” by what the president calls his “big beautiful bill.”

continued at

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-donald-trump-big-beautiful-bill-aa2bc70b0ebdb219b5dd3e9f8fae03af

gimmesometruth27 · May 28

musk must realize the majority of the world hates his guts.

tesla is basically dead in the water in europe now.

Elon Musk

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