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So, I agree that one should leave emotions at the door when determining investment strategy. BUT: There's a huge difference between sticking to one's plan despite economic turmoil and investing in a company or an asset regardless of what it does or how it is run.My husband is a corporate officer at a large company. I know full well that, were his CEO to behave the way Musk does in earnings calls, the investor relations team would shoot the CEO with a tranquilizer gun and the top institutional investors would demand -- and get -- the CEO's firing before the call concluded. I also know that the analysts want good, solid, actual reasons to invest in the company. And it's absolutely maddening to see Tesla get rewarded for having a poop-flinging chaos monkey at the helm.As for emotions and politics -- again, that should apply to overall strategy, not to individual assets. Musk is openly embracing Nazi ideas and other reprehensible notions, concepts that all decent people have agreed should and must remain in history's dustbin. The trains may have run on time, but *to where*?!? and at what cost? (Seriously: One of the most unnerving things, for me, about visiting Auschwitz when we went to Poland to see PJ in 2018 was driving through this nice little town alongside some abandoned train tracks and realizing where those tracks went.) I'll ride out all sorts of market ups and downs, but I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis, and I'm completely comfortable with that position. Moreover, one of the fundamental rules of parenting is: don't reward bad behavior. Musk is and has been an asshole, I've thought that for years, and I'd never reward his antics with my business, even though he doesn't need my money.Finally, can we please put to rest the notion of Elon Musk as galaxy brain? He might be the most egregious example of the Dunning Kruger effect in human history. Many geniuses are eccentric, but it does not follow from that statement that all lunatics are geniuses. Any dorky, weird little kid -- like me -- who read a lot of sci-fi would have come up with the same ideas as Elon Musk (I thought traveling by pneumatic tube would be super cool, too!). He has the advantage of money/ an infinite line of credit that allows him to throw gobs of cash at all of his "hey, wouldn't it be cool if...?" ideas. I'd bet that anyone on here could make all kinds of sh-t happen if they had access to $100B. @brianlux might use such resources to solve world hunger and/or housing shortages across the country.Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. Yeah, my financial adviser used to tell me that, only his angle was that the batteries were the key to Tesla's future. I think Tesla has a ton of, oh, quality issues, design issues, service issues, employee morale issues. I'd bet on Chinese competitors against Tesla. And when I bought a new car last year, I got a PHEV and had a dedicated line for a level two charger put in my garage: no Tesla car, no Tesla charging.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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curmudgeoness said:So, I agree that one should leave emotions at the door when determining investment strategy. BUT: There's a huge difference between sticking to one's plan despite economic turmoil and investing in a company or an asset regardless of what it does or how it is run.My husband is a corporate officer at a large company. I know full well that, were his CEO to behave the way Musk does in earnings calls, the investor relations team would shoot the CEO with a tranquilizer gun and the top institutional investors would demand -- and get -- the CEO's firing before the call concluded. I also know that the analysts want good, solid, actual reasons to invest in the company. And it's absolutely maddening to see Tesla get rewarded for having a poop-flinging chaos monkey at the helm.As for emotions and politics -- again, that should apply to overall strategy, not to individual assets. Musk is openly embracing Nazi ideas and other reprehensible notions, concepts that all decent people have agreed should and must remain in history's dustbin. The trains may have run on time, but *to where*?!? and at what cost? (Seriously: One of the most unnerving things, for me, about visiting Auschwitz when we went to Poland to see PJ in 2018 was driving through this nice little town alongside some abandoned train tracks and realizing where those tracks went.) I'll ride out all sorts of market ups and downs, but I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis, and I'm completely comfortable with that position. Moreover, one of the fundamental rules of parenting is: don't reward bad behavior. Musk is and has been an asshole, I've thought that for years, and I'd never reward his antics with my business, even though he doesn't need my money.Finally, can we please put to rest the notion of Elon Musk as galaxy brain? He might be the most egregious example of the Dunning Kruger effect in human history. Many geniuses are eccentric, but it does not follow from that statement that all lunatics are geniuses. Any dorky, weird little kid -- like me -- who read a lot of sci-fi would have come up with the same ideas as Elon Musk (I thought traveling by pneumatic tube would be super cool, too!). He has the advantage of money/ an infinite line of credit that allows him to throw gobs of cash at all of his "hey, wouldn't it be cool if...?" ideas. I'd bet that anyone on here could make all kinds of sh-t happen if they had access to $100B. @brianlux might use such resources to solve world hunger and/or housing shortages across the country.Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. Yeah, my financial adviser used to tell me that, only his angle was that the batteries were the key to Tesla's future. I think Tesla has a ton of, oh, quality issues, design issues, service issues, employee morale issues. I'd bet on Chinese competitors against Tesla. And when I bought a new car last year, I got a PHEV and had a dedicated line for a level two charger put in my garage: no Tesla car, no Tesla charging.0
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curmudgeoness said:So, I agree that one should leave emotions at the door when determining investment strategy. BUT: There's a huge difference between sticking to one's plan despite economic turmoil and investing in a company or an asset regardless of what it does or how it is run.My husband is a corporate officer at a large company. I know full well that, were his CEO to behave the way Musk does in earnings calls, the investor relations team would shoot the CEO with a tranquilizer gun and the top institutional investors would demand -- and get -- the CEO's firing before the call concluded. I also know that the analysts want good, solid, actual reasons to invest in the company. And it's absolutely maddening to see Tesla get rewarded for having a poop-flinging chaos monkey at the helm.As for emotions and politics -- again, that should apply to overall strategy, not to individual assets. Musk is openly embracing Nazi ideas and other reprehensible notions, concepts that all decent people have agreed should and must remain in history's dustbin. The trains may have run on time, but *to where*?!? and at what cost? (Seriously: One of the most unnerving things, for me, about visiting Auschwitz when we went to Poland to see PJ in 2018 was driving through this nice little town alongside some abandoned train tracks and realizing where those tracks went.) I'll ride out all sorts of market ups and downs, but I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis, and I'm completely comfortable with that position. Moreover, one of the fundamental rules of parenting is: don't reward bad behavior. Musk is and has been an asshole, I've thought that for years, and I'd never reward his antics with my business, even though he doesn't need my money.Finally, can we please put to rest the notion of Elon Musk as galaxy brain? He might be the most egregious example of the Dunning Kruger effect in human history. Many geniuses are eccentric, but it does not follow from that statement that all lunatics are geniuses. Any dorky, weird little kid -- like me -- who read a lot of sci-fi would have come up with the same ideas as Elon Musk (I thought traveling by pneumatic tube would be super cool, too!). He has the advantage of money/ an infinite line of credit that allows him to throw gobs of cash at all of his "hey, wouldn't it be cool if...?" ideas. I'd bet that anyone on here could make all kinds of sh-t happen if they had access to $100B. @brianlux might use such resources to solve world hunger and/or housing shortages across the country.Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. Yeah, my financial adviser used to tell me that, only his angle was that the batteries were the key to Tesla's future. I think Tesla has a ton of, oh, quality issues, design issues, service issues, employee morale issues. I'd bet on Chinese competitors against Tesla. And when I bought a new car last year, I got a PHEV and had a dedicated line for a level two charger put in my garage: no Tesla car, no Tesla charging.Well said, C. Great post!My wife and I don't have enough money invested to be more than a grain of sand on the beaches of finance, but what we have will make or break how well or poorly we live in our old age (I mean, in our really old age, haha!). However, we feel much the same as you when you said, "I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis." We recently talked with our financial advisor, a fellow who is more openly aligned with our views than our previous financial advisor to make sure we are not invested in anything we would not want to support.Also, it puzzles me when I hear people tell me how much the abhor MAGAs and DOGE and all of that, but then seem to have no qualms about shopping through Amazon or support other pro-MAGA companies like Coca Cola, Uber, Verizon, and others. And I'm not saying this to shame anyone, I'm just suggesting that we become more aware about where our money is spent. That can have as much sway and how things go as does calling one's representatives or going to protest marches. It's the concept of "vote with your dollars."As for what I would do with $100B (that's hard to fathom, lol), I would certainly find ways to help end world hunger and homelessness, but I would also focus on environment and education. Poor education in America is one of the chief reasons MAGA rose to power. And if humans continue to drive environmental collapse, nothing else we do will matter. True, the planet is resilient and would probably restore it's balances without us, but what a shame it would be to drive ourselves into extinction, not to mention climate change and the unnaturally high rate of extinctions we are already causing."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:So, I agree that one should leave emotions at the door when determining investment strategy. BUT: There's a huge difference between sticking to one's plan despite economic turmoil and investing in a company or an asset regardless of what it does or how it is run.My husband is a corporate officer at a large company. I know full well that, were his CEO to behave the way Musk does in earnings calls, the investor relations team would shoot the CEO with a tranquilizer gun and the top institutional investors would demand -- and get -- the CEO's firing before the call concluded. I also know that the analysts want good, solid, actual reasons to invest in the company. And it's absolutely maddening to see Tesla get rewarded for having a poop-flinging chaos monkey at the helm.As for emotions and politics -- again, that should apply to overall strategy, not to individual assets. Musk is openly embracing Nazi ideas and other reprehensible notions, concepts that all decent people have agreed should and must remain in history's dustbin. The trains may have run on time, but *to where*?!? and at what cost? (Seriously: One of the most unnerving things, for me, about visiting Auschwitz when we went to Poland to see PJ in 2018 was driving through this nice little town alongside some abandoned train tracks and realizing where those tracks went.) I'll ride out all sorts of market ups and downs, but I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis, and I'm completely comfortable with that position. Moreover, one of the fundamental rules of parenting is: don't reward bad behavior. Musk is and has been an asshole, I've thought that for years, and I'd never reward his antics with my business, even though he doesn't need my money.Finally, can we please put to rest the notion of Elon Musk as galaxy brain? He might be the most egregious example of the Dunning Kruger effect in human history. Many geniuses are eccentric, but it does not follow from that statement that all lunatics are geniuses. Any dorky, weird little kid -- like me -- who read a lot of sci-fi would have come up with the same ideas as Elon Musk (I thought traveling by pneumatic tube would be super cool, too!). He has the advantage of money/ an infinite line of credit that allows him to throw gobs of cash at all of his "hey, wouldn't it be cool if...?" ideas. I'd bet that anyone on here could make all kinds of sh-t happen if they had access to $100B. @brianlux might use such resources to solve world hunger and/or housing shortages across the country.Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. Yeah, my financial adviser used to tell me that, only his angle was that the batteries were the key to Tesla's future. I think Tesla has a ton of, oh, quality issues, design issues, service issues, employee morale issues. I'd bet on Chinese competitors against Tesla. And when I bought a new car last year, I got a PHEV and had a dedicated line for a level two charger put in my garage: no Tesla car, no Tesla charging.Well said, C. Great post!My wife and I don't have enough money invested to be more than a grain of sand on the beaches of finance, but what we have will make or break how well or poorly we live in our old age (I mean, in our really old age, haha!). However, we feel much the same as you when you said, "I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis." We recently talked with our financial advisor, a fellow who is more openly aligned with our views than our previous financial advisor to make sure we are not invested in anything we would not want to support.Also, it puzzles me when I hear people tell me how much the abhor MAGAs and DOGE and all of that, but then seem to have no qualms about shopping through Amazon or support other pro-MAGA companies like Coca Cola, Uber, Verizon, and others. And I'm not saying this to shame anyone, I'm just suggesting that we become more aware about where our money is spent. That can have as much sway and how things go as does calling one's representatives or going to protest marches. It's the concept of "vote with your dollars."As for what I would do with $100B (that's hard to fathom, lol), I would certainly find ways to help end world hunger and homelessness, but I would also focus on environment and education. Poor education in America is one of the chief reasons MAGA rose to power. And if humans continue to drive environmental collapse, nothing else we do will matter. True, the planet is resilient and would probably restore it's balances without us, but what a shame it would be to drive ourselves into extinction, not to mention climate change and the unnaturally high rate of extinctions we are already causing.0
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mrussel1 said:Evel K said:mrussel1 said:Evel K said:The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.Things were different then0 -
mrussel1 said:brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:So, I agree that one should leave emotions at the door when determining investment strategy. BUT: There's a huge difference between sticking to one's plan despite economic turmoil and investing in a company or an asset regardless of what it does or how it is run.My husband is a corporate officer at a large company. I know full well that, were his CEO to behave the way Musk does in earnings calls, the investor relations team would shoot the CEO with a tranquilizer gun and the top institutional investors would demand -- and get -- the CEO's firing before the call concluded. I also know that the analysts want good, solid, actual reasons to invest in the company. And it's absolutely maddening to see Tesla get rewarded for having a poop-flinging chaos monkey at the helm.As for emotions and politics -- again, that should apply to overall strategy, not to individual assets. Musk is openly embracing Nazi ideas and other reprehensible notions, concepts that all decent people have agreed should and must remain in history's dustbin. The trains may have run on time, but *to where*?!? and at what cost? (Seriously: One of the most unnerving things, for me, about visiting Auschwitz when we went to Poland to see PJ in 2018 was driving through this nice little town alongside some abandoned train tracks and realizing where those tracks went.) I'll ride out all sorts of market ups and downs, but I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis, and I'm completely comfortable with that position. Moreover, one of the fundamental rules of parenting is: don't reward bad behavior. Musk is and has been an asshole, I've thought that for years, and I'd never reward his antics with my business, even though he doesn't need my money.Finally, can we please put to rest the notion of Elon Musk as galaxy brain? He might be the most egregious example of the Dunning Kruger effect in human history. Many geniuses are eccentric, but it does not follow from that statement that all lunatics are geniuses. Any dorky, weird little kid -- like me -- who read a lot of sci-fi would have come up with the same ideas as Elon Musk (I thought traveling by pneumatic tube would be super cool, too!). He has the advantage of money/ an infinite line of credit that allows him to throw gobs of cash at all of his "hey, wouldn't it be cool if...?" ideas. I'd bet that anyone on here could make all kinds of sh-t happen if they had access to $100B. @brianlux might use such resources to solve world hunger and/or housing shortages across the country.Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. Yeah, my financial adviser used to tell me that, only his angle was that the batteries were the key to Tesla's future. I think Tesla has a ton of, oh, quality issues, design issues, service issues, employee morale issues. I'd bet on Chinese competitors against Tesla. And when I bought a new car last year, I got a PHEV and had a dedicated line for a level two charger put in my garage: no Tesla car, no Tesla charging.Well said, C. Great post!My wife and I don't have enough money invested to be more than a grain of sand on the beaches of finance, but what we have will make or break how well or poorly we live in our old age (I mean, in our really old age, haha!). However, we feel much the same as you when you said, "I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis." We recently talked with our financial advisor, a fellow who is more openly aligned with our views than our previous financial advisor to make sure we are not invested in anything we would not want to support.Also, it puzzles me when I hear people tell me how much the abhor MAGAs and DOGE and all of that, but then seem to have no qualms about shopping through Amazon or support other pro-MAGA companies like Coca Cola, Uber, Verizon, and others. And I'm not saying this to shame anyone, I'm just suggesting that we become more aware about where our money is spent. That can have as much sway and how things go as does calling one's representatives or going to protest marches. It's the concept of "vote with your dollars."As for what I would do with $100B (that's hard to fathom, lol), I would certainly find ways to help end world hunger and homelessness, but I would also focus on environment and education. Poor education in America is one of the chief reasons MAGA rose to power. And if humans continue to drive environmental collapse, nothing else we do will matter. True, the planet is resilient and would probably restore it's balances without us, but what a shame it would be to drive ourselves into extinction, not to mention climate change and the unnaturally high rate of extinctions we are already causing.yyyyyyeah, I guess. Only I don't think of MAGA as on any side of the isle. Sides of isles are what democracies have. Oligarchies and dictatorships do not. So any company that donated to MAGA (those did, see link below), is not in favor of maintaining Democracy in America. I cannot abide by, let alone support that.
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mrussel1 said:curmudgeoness said:So, I agree that one should leave emotions at the door when determining investment strategy. BUT: There's a huge difference between sticking to one's plan despite economic turmoil and investing in a company or an asset regardless of what it does or how it is run.My husband is a corporate officer at a large company. I know full well that, were his CEO to behave the way Musk does in earnings calls, the investor relations team would shoot the CEO with a tranquilizer gun and the top institutional investors would demand -- and get -- the CEO's firing before the call concluded. I also know that the analysts want good, solid, actual reasons to invest in the company. And it's absolutely maddening to see Tesla get rewarded for having a poop-flinging chaos monkey at the helm.As for emotions and politics -- again, that should apply to overall strategy, not to individual assets. Musk is openly embracing Nazi ideas and other reprehensible notions, concepts that all decent people have agreed should and must remain in history's dustbin. The trains may have run on time, but *to where*?!? and at what cost? (Seriously: One of the most unnerving things, for me, about visiting Auschwitz when we went to Poland to see PJ in 2018 was driving through this nice little town alongside some abandoned train tracks and realizing where those tracks went.) I'll ride out all sorts of market ups and downs, but I'll live on the streets before I invest in Nazis, and I'm completely comfortable with that position. Moreover, one of the fundamental rules of parenting is: don't reward bad behavior. Musk is and has been an asshole, I've thought that for years, and I'd never reward his antics with my business, even though he doesn't need my money.Finally, can we please put to rest the notion of Elon Musk as galaxy brain? He might be the most egregious example of the Dunning Kruger effect in human history. Many geniuses are eccentric, but it does not follow from that statement that all lunatics are geniuses. Any dorky, weird little kid -- like me -- who read a lot of sci-fi would have come up with the same ideas as Elon Musk (I thought traveling by pneumatic tube would be super cool, too!). He has the advantage of money/ an infinite line of credit that allows him to throw gobs of cash at all of his "hey, wouldn't it be cool if...?" ideas. I'd bet that anyone on here could make all kinds of sh-t happen if they had access to $100B. @brianlux might use such resources to solve world hunger and/or housing shortages across the country.Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. Yeah, my financial adviser used to tell me that, only his angle was that the batteries were the key to Tesla's future. I think Tesla has a ton of, oh, quality issues, design issues, service issues, employee morale issues. I'd bet on Chinese competitors against Tesla. And when I bought a new car last year, I got a PHEV and had a dedicated line for a level two charger put in my garage: no Tesla car, no Tesla charging.
huge honda battery plant underconstruction south of columbus , been underway for 3-4 years now. ford has one down in kentucky south of louisville. they added 3 or 4 buildings to the existing plant._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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The electric BMWs are so nice. Feel very luxurious.0
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Evel K said:mrussel1 said:Evel K said:mrussel1 said:Evel K said:The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.An argument can be made for investing in a aggressive portfolio of startups, on the theory that a few of those startups will really take off, even if the others go under. And I say that even *after* losing $$$ in ARKK thanks to the genius of Cathie Wood (four-ish years later, down 50% or so, I finally asked my adviser to divest from that). But TSLA is not a portfolio. It is not a startup. It is not a stable, predictable source of growth or revenue. It is run by a mercurial, deranged, immature, allegedly drug-addicted man-child.And frankly, a lot of large and small investors now are trading for marginal gains instead of being uncool like me and investing for the long term -- so I tend to think that most people are trying to profit off of the chaos Musk generates.And what if Elon decides to build a PHEV? He'll still be a colossal asshole, so I'll still stick with my BMW (which is indeed gorgeous and awesome). Given TSLA's design and customer service shortcomings, I doubt I'll be missing out on anything. But, also, since we're dealing with a stunted, immature human: what if he decides to throw billions at something silly/idiotic, instead? Let your imagination run wild: putting fake breasts on the front of every car he sells, burning a billion dollars just because he wants to see what that looks like, robotic poop emojis roaming around hassling people he doesn't like "just because," apps that allow you to crank call thousands of people at once, etc. etc. etc. There's absolutely NO guarantee that he'll direct his money toward anything useful, let alone charitable. What would an eight year old do with billions of dollars? And right now, it looks like he's thinking that literally buying votes is a cute idea. :shrug:So, yeah. My adviser suggested buying TSLA if the price dropped low enough. I withdrew my cash and invested it in European indices instead.
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Evel K said:mrussel1 said:Evel K said:mrussel1 said:Evel K said:The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.
And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.
I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
mrussel1 said:Evel K said:mrussel1 said:Evel K said:mrussel1 said:Evel K said:The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.
And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.
I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.Things were different then0 -
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amazing piece of technology glued together and falling apart, and thus recalled."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 said:amazing piece of technology glued together and falling apart, and thus recalled.
funny, saw a tesla on a flatbed towtruck just this morning.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
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My kids would call him a ‘pick me’ and it’s such an apt description0
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mrussel1 said:Tim Simmons said:Virginia Beach 2000; Pittsburgh 2000; Columbus 2003; D.C. 2003; Pittsburgh 2006; Virginia Beach 2008; Cleveland 2010; PJ20 2011; Pittsburgh 2013; Baltimore 2013; Charlottesville 2013; Charlotte 2013; Lincoln 2014; Moline 2014; St. Paul 2014; Greenville 2016; Hampton 2016; Lexington 2016; Wrigley 2016; Prague 2018; Krakow 2018; Berlin 2018; Fenway 2018; Camden 2022; St. Paul 2023; MSG 1 2024; Baltimore 2024; Raleigh 2025; Pittsburgh 20250
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Vitalogensia said:mrussel1 said:Tim Simmons said:
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mrussel1 said:Vitalogensia said:mrussel1 said:Tim Simmons said:
I still can't believe what a dick Vance was.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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