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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    edited April 3
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    OnWis97 said:
     I don't think they deserve to have their cars vandalized any more than I deserve to have my Camry vandalized.
    Agreed. 

    Seems so obvious, yet here we are having the same conversation again. 

    Because liberals will go to extreme issues and look like extremists while  burning cars in order to not connect with mainstream voters. Watch Elon and orange turn the budget/tariff debate into another republican win.
    Remember last week when you were basically insinuating the Democratic party was dead.  Not a week later, they blow out the R in the only state wide election, one where Elon got on television, rallied and poured in 20MM.   I probably won't be betting on anything you say to "watch".  

    I guess you missed my other comment this afternoon predicting a massive income tax cut likely to be announced soon?

     Mentioning elon and orange above is referencing the budget savings and funding generated by tariffs, and what can be done with that huge level of funding. He can now reshape how the economy functions and how wealth is generated, I don’t favor that but that’s a longer comment.

    Have you done the math as to how huge of an income tax cut they can do with this? My point is Dems are too worried about protecting foreigners rights to violently protest while on student visas or in your case perhaps overestimating the impact of an off year off season low turnout election has towards the future voting power in this country in order  to prepare for what trumps next move is.

    i am making the exact same point as last week about dem messaging and you didn’t catch it.
    Did you do the math on the other side of the equation?  How much revenue will the treasury lose when consumers stop spending, businesses stop buying, investing, lowering their earnings, less in international sales,  paying less in tax, followed by the inevitable rise in unemployment, again leading to lower treasury revenue.  When you do all of that math, what do you show being the surplus for treasury with these tariffs in 2025 through the end of his term?  Please show your work.  

    I absolutely disagree with the tariffs and the extent of elons cost cutting. My point is he will have his calculations and since he has his entire party in his back pocket, he will be able to get a transformative tax cut passed thru reconciliation. i think he can announce top cap gains rates of 14% and income rates at 29%.  It may be enough to rebound the s and p short and mid term

    he is trying to shift the tax burden from income to production based and to the working class, and turn the working class into factory workers. My point is, from what I am hearing from many liberals, they are not ready for this fight. Too worried about the rights of foreign students to organize violent protests and attack our kids.

    Dems have been outmaneuvered at every step in the past by trump, except for the Covid pandemic, which, of course, they overreacted to.
    What you’re “hearing from liberals” is obviously what’s being funneled to you on social media via an algorithm.  
    I know. What a bullshit point. Can we really blame an algorithm or just what some people believe to be true?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,410
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    OnWis97 said:
     I don't think they deserve to have their cars vandalized any more than I deserve to have my Camry vandalized.
    Agreed. 

    Seems so obvious, yet here we are having the same conversation again. 

    Because liberals will go to extreme issues and look like extremists while  burning cars in order to not connect with mainstream voters. Watch Elon and orange turn the budget/tariff debate into another republican win.
    Remember last week when you were basically insinuating the Democratic party was dead.  Not a week later, they blow out the R in the only state wide election, one where Elon got on television, rallied and poured in 20MM.   I probably won't be betting on anything you say to "watch".  

    I guess you missed my other comment this afternoon predicting a massive income tax cut likely to be announced soon?

     Mentioning elon and orange above is referencing the budget savings and funding generated by tariffs, and what can be done with that huge level of funding. He can now reshape how the economy functions and how wealth is generated, I don’t favor that but that’s a longer comment.

    Have you done the math as to how huge of an income tax cut they can do with this? My point is Dems are too worried about protecting foreigners rights to violently protest while on student visas or in your case perhaps overestimating the impact of an off year off season low turnout election has towards the future voting power in this country in order  to prepare for what trumps next move is.

    i am making the exact same point as last week about dem messaging and you didn’t catch it.
    Did you do the math on the other side of the equation?  How much revenue will the treasury lose when consumers stop spending, businesses stop buying, investing, lowering their earnings, less in international sales,  paying less in tax, followed by the inevitable rise in unemployment, again leading to lower treasury revenue.  When you do all of that math, what do you show being the surplus for treasury with these tariffs in 2025 through the end of his term?  Please show your work.  

    I absolutely disagree with the tariffs and the extent of elons cost cutting. My point is he will have his calculations and since he has his entire party in his back pocket, he will be able to get a transformative tax cut passed thru reconciliation. i think he can announce top cap gains rates of 14% and income rates at 29%.  It may be enough to rebound the s and p short and mid term

    he is trying to shift the tax burden from income to production based and to the working class, and turn the working class into factory workers. My point is, from what I am hearing from many liberals, they are not ready for this fight. Too worried about the rights of foreign students to organize violent protests and attack our kids.

    Dems have been outmaneuvered at every step in the past by trump, except for the Covid pandemic, which, of course, they overreacted to.
    Why not just eliminate the income tax and rely on tariffs and consumption tax?  Why are you assuming half measures?  That’s the billionaires dream. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,139
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    OnWis97 said:
     I don't think they deserve to have their cars vandalized any more than I deserve to have my Camry vandalized.
    Agreed. 

    Seems so obvious, yet here we are having the same conversation again. 

    Because liberals will go to extreme issues and look like extremists while  burning cars in order to not connect with mainstream voters. Watch Elon and orange turn the budget/tariff debate into another republican win.
    Remember last week when you were basically insinuating the Democratic party was dead.  Not a week later, they blow out the R in the only state wide election, one where Elon got on television, rallied and poured in 20MM.   I probably won't be betting on anything you say to "watch".  

    I guess you missed my other comment this afternoon predicting a massive income tax cut likely to be announced soon?

     Mentioning elon and orange above is referencing the budget savings and funding generated by tariffs, and what can be done with that huge level of funding. He can now reshape how the economy functions and how wealth is generated, I don’t favor that but that’s a longer comment.

    Have you done the math as to how huge of an income tax cut they can do with this? My point is Dems are too worried about protecting foreigners rights to violently protest while on student visas or in your case perhaps overestimating the impact of an off year off season low turnout election has towards the future voting power in this country in order  to prepare for what trumps next move is.

    i am making the exact same point as last week about dem messaging and you didn’t catch it.
    Did you do the math on the other side of the equation?  How much revenue will the treasury lose when consumers stop spending, businesses stop buying, investing, lowering their earnings, less in international sales,  paying less in tax, followed by the inevitable rise in unemployment, again leading to lower treasury revenue.  When you do all of that math, what do you show being the surplus for treasury with these tariffs in 2025 through the end of his term?  Please show your work.  

    I absolutely disagree with the tariffs and the extent of elons cost cutting. My point is he will have his calculations and since he has his entire party in his back pocket, he will be able to get a transformative tax cut passed thru reconciliation. i think he can announce top cap gains rates of 14% and income rates at 29%.  It may be enough to rebound the s and p short and mid term

    he is trying to shift the tax burden from income to production based and to the working class, and turn the working class into factory workers. My point is, from what I am hearing from many liberals, they are not ready for this fight. Too worried about the rights of foreign students to organize violent protests and attack our kids.

    Dems have been outmaneuvered at every step in the past by trump, except for the Covid pandemic, which, of course, they overreacted to.
    What you’re “hearing from liberals” is obviously what’s being funneled to you on social media via an algorithm.  

    And amt.


    THIS is the double edged sword. I will research and research a point, post articles and ask people here if they have seen anything, like on the tufts alleged anti semitic protests leading to that Turkish student getting detained. No replies, no engagement on facts and circumstances. Only leftist dogma. Just low effort teenage chatter and attacks 

    But, dare I be short of time and not prove a comment with facts, it gets a low effort mock from your post.

    its well known support for the party is at an all time low. Interpret that however you wish


  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,366
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    OnWis97 said:
     I don't think they deserve to have their cars vandalized any more than I deserve to have my Camry vandalized.
    Agreed. 

    Seems so obvious, yet here we are having the same conversation again. 

    Because liberals will go to extreme issues and look like extremists while  burning cars in order to not connect with mainstream voters. Watch Elon and orange turn the budget/tariff debate into another republican win.
    Remember last week when you were basically insinuating the Democratic party was dead.  Not a week later, they blow out the R in the only state wide election, one where Elon got on television, rallied and poured in 20MM.   I probably won't be betting on anything you say to "watch".  

    I guess you missed my other comment this afternoon predicting a massive income tax cut likely to be announced soon?

     Mentioning elon and orange above is referencing the budget savings and funding generated by tariffs, and what can be done with that huge level of funding. He can now reshape how the economy functions and how wealth is generated, I don’t favor that but that’s a longer comment.

    Have you done the math as to how huge of an income tax cut they can do with this? My point is Dems are too worried about protecting foreigners rights to violently protest while on student visas or in your case perhaps overestimating the impact of an off year off season low turnout election has towards the future voting power in this country in order  to prepare for what trumps next move is.

    i am making the exact same point as last week about dem messaging and you didn’t catch it.
    Did you do the math on the other side of the equation?  How much revenue will the treasury lose when consumers stop spending, businesses stop buying, investing, lowering their earnings, less in international sales,  paying less in tax, followed by the inevitable rise in unemployment, again leading to lower treasury revenue.  When you do all of that math, what do you show being the surplus for treasury with these tariffs in 2025 through the end of his term?  Please show your work.  

    I absolutely disagree with the tariffs and the extent of elons cost cutting. My point is he will have his calculations and since he has his entire party in his back pocket, he will be able to get a transformative tax cut passed thru reconciliation. i think he can announce top cap gains rates of 14% and income rates at 29%.  It may be enough to rebound the s and p short and mid term

    he is trying to shift the tax burden from income to production based and to the working class, and turn the working class into factory workers. My point is, from what I am hearing from many liberals, they are not ready for this fight. Too worried about the rights of foreign students to organize violent protests and attack our kids.

    Dems have been outmaneuvered at every step in the past by trump, except for the Covid pandemic, which, of course, they overreacted to.
    What you’re “hearing from liberals” is obviously what’s being funneled to you on social media via an algorithm.  

    And amt.


    THIS is the double edged sword. I will research and research a point, post articles and ask people here if they have seen anything, like on the tufts alleged anti semitic protests leading to that Turkish student getting detained. No replies, no engagement on facts and circumstances. Only leftist dogma. Just low effort teenage chatter and attacks 

    But, dare I be short of time and not prove a comment with facts, it gets a low effort mock from your post.

    its well known support for the party is at an all time low. Interpret that however you wish


    Silly generalizations about the left pulled from social media aren’t provable, so it doesn’t matter how much time you have. The policies from the right aren't defensible with facts and logic, so they resort to demonizing the left. Why play into that? People are voicing concerns about due process with regard to illegals, which isn’t a bad thing. They can also be concerned about other things, too. Not everything is a fixation. 

    Trump’s quick drop in approval ratings tells you the main reason he won: people were duped into thinking he’d do a good job fixing our so called broken economy. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,668
    Dems have been outmaneuvered at every step? He won an election. He has the power to do things. Things dems will often have no say in. How is that outsmarting them? the guy has also had hundreds of policy changes overruled by the courts. All he does is flood the system with shit, and some of it inevitably gets through. That's not smart. It's a bull in a china shop. 

    his tarrifs are already having a devastating effect on the domestic economy, and international ones as well. which is why you see the world shifting away from the US as an ally and in trade. Which will have a catastrophic effect going forward in many facets. it's absurd to believe this will have any good whatsoever. 

    the guy is a fucking moron who thinks he's a genius. 
    he's a bully who paints himself as a victim, constantly. it seems those that admire his work are quite similar. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    Anti-semitic protests did not lead to that Tufts University student being detained. Just stop with the lies, propaganda and misinformation being propagated by Hillel and the Canary Mission. I'll take a legal brief, filed under penalty of perjury, by Tufts University over Murdick reporting, lies, propaganda, doxxing and, misinformation spread by certain posters.

    Dear Tufts community,

    Please see below a declaration by Tufts University in support of a motion filed today by Rümeysa Öztürk’s legal team in Öztürk v. Hyde in U.S. District Court in Massachusetts.

    Best regards,

    Sunil Kumar
    President

    DECLARATION OF TUFTS UNIVERSITY

    Tufts University (an entity legally known as “The Trustees of Tufts College” and henceforth referred to as “Tufts University”, the “University” or “Tufts”), declares as follows:

    1. On Tuesday, March 25, 2025, the University learned that Rümeysa Öztürk, a Tufts doctoral student from Turkey, was taken into custody by the Department of Homeland Security as she was leaving her off-campus apartment in Somerville, Massachusetts. The University understands that she was leaving her home that evening for an Iftar dinner hosted at the Tufts Interfaith Center where she would break her Ramadan fast for the day.

    2. At around 6:30 p.m. that evening, the Tufts University Police Department received courtesy notification from the Somerville Police Department that an individual had been detained by federal authorities and that the person in custody might be a Tufts student. We confirmed through our records that the person in question was Rümeysa Öztürk.

    3. At 7:32 p.m., Ms. Öztürk’s record in the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS) was updated to note that her visa was terminated. Prior to that, and at the time of her detention, Ms. Öztürk was in “good immigration standing” according to her record in SEVIS, and both Ms. Öztürk and Tufts had followed the governing regulations for students on visas. The University then received a notice, dated March 25, 2025 and received via email on March 26, 2025 at 10:31 a.m., stating that Rümeysa’s visa was cancelled because she was a “non-immigrant status violator” (citing 237 (a)(1)(C)(i) of the Immigration and Naturalization Act) and/or that the United States believed that her presence in the country would result in “potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States” (citing 237 (a)(4)(C)(i)).

    4. With her consent, the University can confirm that Ms. Öztürk is a third-year doctoral student in good academic and administrative standing. Her research focuses on how young adults can use social media in positive, prosocial ways and she is described by her faculty as a hard-working student dedicated to her studies and the Tufts community. The University has no information to support the allegations that she was engaged in activities at Tufts that warrant her arrest and detention. The University has seen an outpouring of support for Ms. Öztürk over the last week from Tufts students, faculty and staff. These individuals have described Ms. Öztürk as a valued member of the community, dedicated to her academic pursuits and committed to her colleagues.

    5. The University can confirm that Ms. Öztürk was one of several authors of an opinion piece in the student newspaper, The Tufts Daily, published on March 26, 2024, entitled: “Try again, President Kumar: Renewing Calls for Tufts to Adopt March 4 TCU Senate resolutions.” The University declares that this opinion piece was not in violation of any Tufts policies. Further, no complaints were filed with the University or, to our knowledge, outside of the University about this op-ed. The University maintains that the op-ed was consistent with speech permitted by the Declaration on Freedom of Expression adopted by our trustees on November 7, 2009. For the record, a search of The Tufts Daily will reveal op-eds on multiple sides of the issue with opinions that were shared just as strongly as the op-ed Ms. Öztürk co-authored. The University has no further information suggesting that she has acted in a manner that would constitute a violation of the University's understanding of the Immigration and Naturalization Act.

    6. Our international students, faculty, and staff are vital to deliver on the education, teaching, research, and public service mission of Tufts University. The University sponsors 1,818 continuing international students on F-1 visas, alongside 569 alumni who are pursuing post-completion work authorization in the United States, 24 degree and non-degree students on J-1 visas. This is in addition to the broader community of students, faculty, and staff that hold various immigrant and non-immigrant statuses.

    7. The free movement of our international community members is therefore essential to the functioning of the University and serving our mission. The University has heard from students, faculty and staff who are forgoing opportunities to speak at international conferences and avoiding or postponing international travel. In the worst cases, many report being fearful of leaving their homes, even to attend and teach classes on campus.

    8. The University declares that many of these students will go on to make significant economic and intellectual contributions to the United States and in countries around the world. They will do so by working in or building new companies, through teaching and research in universities and other academic and healthcare institutions, and through public service in the United States and across the globe. The University is confident in its declaration because thousands of Tufts University alumni have received their education while on F-1 visas and have gone on to make a positive impact to the economic prosperity and intellectual success of the United States and in other countries.

    9. The undersigned submits this declaration, on behalf of Tufts University, in support of Ms. Öztürk and asks that she receive the due process rights to which she is entitled. Based on everything we know and have shared here, the University seeks relief so that Ms. Öztürk is released without delay so that she can return to complete her studies and finish her degree at Tufts University.

    On behalf of the University, the undersigned declares under the penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

    Executed on April 1, 2025, at Tufts University.

    SUNIL KUMAR

    PRESIDENT, TUFTS UNIVERSITY
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    The truth certain posters don't want you to know. For this, Rumeysa Ozturk was snatched off the streets and is being detained absent due process. The due process the oh so poor victims of DEI have at their fingertips. To think that some believe expressing the below is worthy of the treatment Ms. Ozturk is experiencing. And some wonder how Hitler rose to power and did what he did. Oh, the humanity.

    Op-ed: Try again, President Kumar: Renewing calls for Tufts to adopt March 4 TCU Senate resolutions

    By Rumeysa OzturkFatima RahmanGenesis Perez and Nicholas Ambeliotis
    Published Tuesday, March 26, 2024

    On March 4, the Tufts Community Union Senate passed 3 out of 4 resolutions demanding that the University acknowledge the Palestinian genocide, apologize for University President Sunil Kumar’s statements, disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel. These resolutions were the product of meaningful debate by the Senate and represent a sincere effort to hold Israel accountable for clear violations of international law. Credible accusations against Israel include accounts of deliberate starvation and indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians and plausible genocide.

    Unfortunately, the University’s response to the Senate resolutions has been wholly inadequate and dismissive of the Senate, the collective voice of the student body. Graduate Students for Palestine joins Tufts Students for Justice in Palestine, the Tufts Faculty and Staff Coalition for Ceasefire and Fletcher Students for Palestine to reject the University’s response. Although graduate students were not allowed by the University into the Senate meeting, which lasted for almost eight hours, our presence on campus and financial entanglement with the University via tuition payments and the graduate work that we do on grants and research makes us direct stakeholders in the University’s stance.

    While an argument may be made that the University should not take political stances and should focus on research and intellectual exchange, the automatic rejection, dismissive nature and condescending tone in the University’s statement have caused us to question whether the University is indeed taking a stand against its own declared commitments to free speech, assembly and democratic expression. According to the Student Code of Conduct, “[a]ctive citizenship, including exercising free speech and engaging in protests, gatherings, and demonstrations, is a vital part of the Tufts community.” In addition, the Dean of Students Office has written, “[w]hile at times the exchange of controversial ideas and opinions may cause discomfort or even distress, our mission as a university is to promote critical thinking, the rigorous examination and discussion of facts and theories, and diverse and sometimes contradictory ideas and opinions.” Why then is the University discrediting and disregarding its students who practice the very ideals of critical thinking, intellectual exchange and civic engagement that Tufts claims to represent?

    The role of the TCU Senate resolutions is abundantly clear. The Senate’s resolutions serve as a “strong lobbying tool that expresses to the Tufts administration the wants and needs of the student body. They speak as a collective voice and are instrumental in enacting systemic changes.” In this case, the “systemic changes” that the collective voice of the student body is calling for are for the University to end its complicity with Israel insofar as it is oppressing the Palestinian people and denying their right to self-determination — a right that is guaranteed by international law. These strong lobbying tools are all the more urgent now given the order by the International Court of Justice confirming that the Palestinian people of Gaza’s rights under the Genocide Convention are under a “plausible” risk of being breached.

    This collective student voice is not without precedent. Today, the University may remember with pride its decision in February 1989 to divest from South Africa under apartheid and end its complicity with the then-racist regime. However, we must remember that the University divested up to 11 years after some of its peers. For instance, the Michigan State University Board of Regents passed resolutions to end its complicity with Apartheid South Africa as early as 1978. Had Tufts heeded the call of the student movement in the late 1970s, the University could have been on the right side of history sooner.

    We reject any attempt by the University or the Office of the President to summarily dismiss the role of the Senate and mischaracterize its resolution as divisive. The open and free debate demonstrated by the Senate process (exemplified by the length, open notice and substantive exchange in the proceedings and the non-passing of one of the proposed resolutions), together with the serious organizing efforts of students, warrant credible self-reflection by the Office of the President and the University. We, as graduate students, affirm the equal dignity and humanity of all people and reject the University’s mischaracterization of the Senate’s efforts.

    The great author and civil rights champion James Baldwin once wrote: “The paradox of education is precisely this: that as one begins to become conscious one begins to examine the society in which [they are] being educated.” As an educator, President Kumar should embrace efforts by students to evaluate “diverse and sometimes contradictory ideas and opinions.” Furthermore, the president should trust in the Senate’s rigorous and democratic process and the resolutions that it has achieved.

    We urge President Kumar and the Tufts administration to meaningfully engage with and actualize the resolutions passed by the Senate.

    This op-ed was written by Nick Ambeliotis (CEE, ‘25), Fatima Rahman (STEM Education, ‘27), Genesis Perez (English, ‘27) and Rumeysa Ozturk (CSHD, ‘25) and is endorsed by 32 other Tufts School of Engineering and Arts and Sciences Graduate Students.

    Op-ed: Try again, President Kumar: Renewing calls for Tufts to adopt March 4 TCU Senate resolutions - The Tufts Daily

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,224
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    OnWis97 said:
     I don't think they deserve to have their cars vandalized any more than I deserve to have my Camry vandalized.
    Agreed. 

    Seems so obvious, yet here we are having the same conversation again. 

    Because liberals will go to extreme issues and look like extremists while  burning cars in order to not connect with mainstream voters. Watch Elon and orange turn the budget/tariff debate into another republican win.
    Remember last week when you were basically insinuating the Democratic party was dead.  Not a week later, they blow out the R in the only state wide election, one where Elon got on television, rallied and poured in 20MM.   I probably won't be betting on anything you say to "watch".  

    I guess you missed my other comment this afternoon predicting a massive income tax cut likely to be announced soon?

     Mentioning elon and orange above is referencing the budget savings and funding generated by tariffs, and what can be done with that huge level of funding. He can now reshape how the economy functions and how wealth is generated, I don’t favor that but that’s a longer comment.

    Have you done the math as to how huge of an income tax cut they can do with this? My point is Dems are too worried about protecting foreigners rights to violently protest while on student visas or in your case perhaps overestimating the impact of an off year off season low turnout election has towards the future voting power in this country in order  to prepare for what trumps next move is.

    i am making the exact same point as last week about dem messaging and you didn’t catch it.
    Did you do the math on the other side of the equation?  How much revenue will the treasury lose when consumers stop spending, businesses stop buying, investing, lowering their earnings, less in international sales,  paying less in tax, followed by the inevitable rise in unemployment, again leading to lower treasury revenue.  When you do all of that math, what do you show being the surplus for treasury with these tariffs in 2025 through the end of his term?  Please show your work.  

    I absolutely disagree with the tariffs and the extent of elons cost cutting. My point is he will have his calculations and since he has his entire party in his back pocket, he will be able to get a transformative tax cut passed thru reconciliation. i think he can announce top cap gains rates of 14% and income rates at 29%.  It may be enough to rebound the s and p short and mid term

    he is trying to shift the tax burden from income to production based and to the working class, and turn the working class into factory workers. My point is, from what I am hearing from many liberals, they are not ready for this fight. Too worried about the rights of foreign students to organize violent protests and attack our kids.

    Dems have been outmaneuvered at every step in the past by trump, except for the Covid pandemic, which, of course, they overreacted to.
    What you’re “hearing from liberals” is obviously what’s being funneled to you on social media via an algorithm.  

    And amt.


    THIS is the double edged sword. I will research and research a point, post articles and ask people here if they have seen anything, like on the tufts alleged anti semitic protests leading to that Turkish student getting detained. No replies, no engagement on facts and circumstances. Only leftist dogma. Just low effort teenage chatter and attacks 

    But, dare I be short of time and not prove a comment with facts, it gets a low effort mock from your post.

    its well known support for the party is at an all time low. Interpret that however you wish



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    The list of famous auto industry flops is long and storied, topped by stinkers like Ford’s Edsel and exploding Pinto and General Motors’s unsightly Pontiac Aztek crossover SUV. Even John Delorean’s sleek, stainless steel DMC-12, iconic from its role in the “Back To The Future” films, was a sales dud that drove the company to bankruptcy.

    Elon Musk’s pet project, the dumpster-driving Tesla Cybertruck, now tops that list. (Illustration: Fernando Capeto for Forbes; Photos: Andrew Harnik, Justin Sullivan via Getty Images) https://trib.al/Fe0nj0K
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,139
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    OnWis97 said:
     I don't think they deserve to have their cars vandalized any more than I deserve to have my Camry vandalized.
    Agreed. 

    Seems so obvious, yet here we are having the same conversation again. 

    Because liberals will go to extreme issues and look like extremists while  burning cars in order to not connect with mainstream voters. Watch Elon and orange turn the budget/tariff debate into another republican win.
    Remember last week when you were basically insinuating the Democratic party was dead.  Not a week later, they blow out the R in the only state wide election, one where Elon got on television, rallied and poured in 20MM.   I probably won't be betting on anything you say to "watch".  

    I guess you missed my other comment this afternoon predicting a massive income tax cut likely to be announced soon?

     Mentioning elon and orange above is referencing the budget savings and funding generated by tariffs, and what can be done with that huge level of funding. He can now reshape how the economy functions and how wealth is generated, I don’t favor that but that’s a longer comment.

    Have you done the math as to how huge of an income tax cut they can do with this? My point is Dems are too worried about protecting foreigners rights to violently protest while on student visas or in your case perhaps overestimating the impact of an off year off season low turnout election has towards the future voting power in this country in order  to prepare for what trumps next move is.

    i am making the exact same point as last week about dem messaging and you didn’t catch it.
    Did you do the math on the other side of the equation?  How much revenue will the treasury lose when consumers stop spending, businesses stop buying, investing, lowering their earnings, less in international sales,  paying less in tax, followed by the inevitable rise in unemployment, again leading to lower treasury revenue.  When you do all of that math, what do you show being the surplus for treasury with these tariffs in 2025 through the end of his term?  Please show your work.  

    I absolutely disagree with the tariffs and the extent of elons cost cutting. My point is he will have his calculations and since he has his entire party in his back pocket, he will be able to get a transformative tax cut passed thru reconciliation. i think he can announce top cap gains rates of 14% and income rates at 29%.  It may be enough to rebound the s and p short and mid term

    he is trying to shift the tax burden from income to production based and to the working class, and turn the working class into factory workers. My point is, from what I am hearing from many liberals, they are not ready for this fight. Too worried about the rights of foreign students to organize violent protests and attack our kids.

    Dems have been outmaneuvered at every step in the past by trump, except for the Covid pandemic, which, of course, they overreacted to.
    What you’re “hearing from liberals” is obviously what’s being funneled to you on social media via an algorithm.  

    And amt.


    THIS is the double edged sword. I will research and research a point, post articles and ask people here if they have seen anything, like on the tufts alleged anti semitic protests leading to that Turkish student getting detained. No replies, no engagement on facts and circumstances. Only leftist dogma. Just low effort teenage chatter and attacks 

    But, dare I be short of time and not prove a comment with facts, it gets a low effort mock from your post.

    its well known support for the party is at an all time low. Interpret that however you wish



    It is possible the people don't want to engage with you for other reasons.


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