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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Those who post here wanting peace get attacked because they do not want to openly punish Palestine. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Get_Right said:
    Like I said, just take it off campus. His protest got him kicked off campus, detained, arrested, immigration status in question, and likely lost him his masters degree. I do not call that a smart move to make your point. The UN is not that far away. Go protest there. Find the Israeli embassy. Sit in the middle of the quad at an ivy league private university and do not be surprised if you are removed or detained by security or the police. Just not a smart move.  

    Protesters use the campus as a shield against the NYPD. Almost everything about their protests are dishonest. Americans? Nope. Legal? Nope. Tactically smart? Nope. If laundry list of legal violations isn’t enough to draw out potential Hamas evils to many observers, there is something very wrong with free speech. It’s wasted on us.

    They protested Biden policy. Many said their protests will help get trump re elected. It did. What exactly do they expect now? If the protests against hamas never happen in Gaza, how does peace occur?
    You said “almost”. So, what is “honest?” I guess the constitution doesn’t extend beyond the ivy covered walls, eh? Because Israel. What is this laundry list of “legal violations” of which you speak? Are you just making shit up now?

    Are you not aware Columbia called in the NYPD? Property destroyed? Many arrests? Graduation ceremony and classes cancelled? Students expelled?

    there seems to be a political passion in these comments, but they repeatedly demonstrate a refusal to debate on honest terms.
    You said, “protesters use.” As if it’s active, ongoing. The fucking protests you authoritarians are wringing your hands about ended well over a year ago and you’re still afraid of free speech. Waaaaah, graduation got cancelled. Meanwhile, 400 more dead Palestinians. Because Israel.

    How many dead Palestinians to quench Israel’s blood lust of revenge?

    What tangible benefits does the US receive for $4B+ in taxpayer dollars going to Israel?

    Answer Mickey’s question, if you’re being honest.

    I did multiple times, pay attention. And his question is irrelevant. Peace deals are made with countries. You and mick have zero interest in a peace deal. Only hatred of Israeli policies. The only way to end this conflict is thru a deal. Unless if you are aware of another way to stop a war.

    WOW. Got called an authoritarian? Will the rules be enforced? Doubt if it’s a pro liberal point. Keep attacking and obfuscating.

    This only ends with a peace deal. Donnie is the ONLY American president to negotiate with hamas. And they told him no. They want more war, or at the least, not enough negotiation to continue the cease fire.

    This was about protesters breaking the law on American soil. The protests apparently weren’t real, they were potentially about Hamas trying to influence public opinion. Well…they helped trump. If they understood politics 101…protesting VERY BAD DURING A GENERAL ELECTION.

    now they get to deal with trump, who is obscenely pro Israel. Guess this is what they wanted. Negotiations…obviously not.

     again…. first amendment protesting is not clear for non citizens.  Let them have their day in court. Why are you so against the steps needed to reach peace and justice? Seems like it has to do with hatred. Oh so liberal…
    You’re right about one thing, yea, fuck Israel and its policies of apartheid, genocide and ethnic cleansing. Yea, fuck that noise. You’re right, I hate their policies and that my tax dollars of $4B+ a year go to an authoritarian regime to support it. Two nuclear powers turning the Palestinians into dust. Yea, I fucking hate it.

    Would you negotiate with a nuclear power that broke a cease fire and killed 400 more of your people? Yes or no question.

    Ok great, continue to curse out Israel, what do you hope to accomplish? They can continuously engage in war without your four billion, so what do you hope to accomplish? Neither political party has abandoned Israel, and the hint of a pro Palestine protest got an extreme right winger elected. Now what? Are you just looking to look good or solve a serious problem?

    hamas is a terrorist organization. If any protesters have any hint of ties to Hamas the courts will rule them deportable and then it’s completely up to Rubio whether they are gone.

    they protested Biden, good luck with trump.
    Israel is a terrorist state and I hate that my tax dollars fund state supported terrorism.

    ”Any hint of ties.” Is that a violation of law? They were “suspected.” Deport them. What a great authoritarian regime, ‘Murica.

    Israel would collapse without $4B+ , maybe $7B+, in US economic and military aid. I wonder when COOTWH will stop allowing them “to rip us off.?”

    Israel has the higher ground as a richer, nuclear armed power and seemingly, the moral support, more than the Palestinians. As such, as COOTWH would say, “they hold all the cards.” What do I expect? Israel to honour their cease fire and treaty obligations, or there will be reductions in support, both politically and financially. Subsidized apartheid has no future.

    Let me know when Hamas has been eradicated. See where that gets you.

    And you didn’t answer my question. It was a yes or no.

    Stupidity, apathy and misinformation got COOTWH elected. “They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats. Of the people that live there.”

    You continually espouse half truths and demand I answer your absurd question?

    in 1967, Israel did terrible things to a handful of nations. Why, those were the countries attacking them.

    last year it was two. Why? Those were the two nations attacking them.

    Currently ….one. Why? That’s the one nation refusing a ceasefire, peace deal, or negation, as a result of getting attacking by them

    Can you identify the common theme honestly? (Attacking them is the variable). It’s like a “variable genocide” dependent upon who attacks them.

    if your false narratives have any hint of truth, why do they not do horrible things to those same nations from 1967? 
     
    Will there be a honest reply ? Nope. Too much hatred for peace.
    Do you include the United States and the attack on the USS Liberty and deaths of 34 service members in your “handful” of nations? Yes or no, or is that an “absurd” question?

    Were any of those countries in 1967 Palestine or Palestinians? Talk about absurdity and false narratives. Tell me about Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon in 1982.

    You might want to revisit who attacked who in 1967 and the reason for it. Always playing the victim while bragging about your strength tracks with authoritarians. Not surprised.

    When will Israel stop being a victim? What year or decade. Or is it a key facet of their national identity now and can never be overcome?

    What tangible benefit(s) does the US receive for its $4B+ annual contribution of US tax payer dollars? I don’t expect you to answer.






    in 1967 West Bank was Jordan, nice job!  Israel should designate the applicable areas in accordance with the signed West Bank treaties back to Jordanian control, who should be trusted to follow the treaties governing the area.

    But the hatred in these comments do not allow for peace treaties to be followed or negotiations to occur.





    The history of that region didn’t stop in 1967. Now tell us about 1993 but first, tell us who attacked who first in 1967.

    “Should” does not equal “did.”

    What tangible benefit(s) does the US receive for its $4B+ in US taxpayer welfare?

    I don’t expect an honest answer.
    “ Prior to the start of the war, attacks conducted against Israel by fledgling Palestinian guerrilla groups based in SyriaLebanon, and Jordan had increased, leading to costly Israeli reprisals. In November 1966 an Israeli strike on the village of Al-Samūʿ in the Jordanian West Bank left 18 dead and 54 wounded, and, during an air battle with Syria in April 1967, the Israeli Air Force shot down six Syrian MiG fighter jets. ”


    That aid includes missile defense saving the lives of women and children on both sides of the war.


    and for those who refuse the integrity of a direct quote,the constant hatred on this specific topic, yet almost complete editorial silence on many horrors against those of that faith elsewhere is astounding. The problem is the hatred amongst humanity, shining brightly here on this topic, mirroring real life. Those who post here wanting peace get attacked because they do not openly want to punish Israel.

    is Syria looking for a peace deal? China? Yet not a word about elsewhere.


    Why no link to your source? Why no answers to legitimate questions?

    You’re not interested in an “honest” discussion. China hasn’t spoken out on ME policy or atrocities because they’ve historically been neutral and personally, IMOH, responsible for similar genocide tendencies, like with the Ughers (sp?), Chinese Muslim population and Tibet. All of which I condemn. They align more with Israel, in practice, with their authoritarian, surveillance and anti-democratic state.

    Syria doesn’t have a functioning government but does Israel, as it occupies more Syrian territory, want peace? Seems very unlikely. They want expansion of Israeli settlements in Syrian territory.

    US aid to Israel saves lives on both sides of the war? What is in your pipe?

    I love how you equate a fully formed, functioning government nuclear armed nation and a well equipped and functioning military with a purposely weakened, poor, barely functioning split territory and disregard the ill treatment of the Palestinians day after day, year after year, for decades on end and in the same breath claim, “Israel wants peace.” Delusional.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    From the Jerusalem Post. That Deep State is deep and far reaching.

    When a strong right-wing leader wins an election, the leftist Deep State weaponized the justice system to thwart the people's will."

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attacked the "leftists Deep State" in Israel in a post on the official Prime Minister of Israel X account on Wednesday.

    "In America and in Israel, when a strong right wing leader wins an election, the leftist Deep State weaponized the justice system to thwart the peoples will. They won't win in either place!" Netanyahu posted.

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-846775
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    How’s it feel to have your history erased and if not eliminated, minimized? You’re being warned. Anyone get Jared Dear Boy’s or Ivanka Darlink’s reaction?

    Massive purge of Pentagon websites includes content on Holocaust remembrance, sexual assault and suicide prevention

    CNN — 

    Articles about the Holocaust, September 11, cancer awareness, sexual assault and suicide prevention are among the tens of thousands either removed or flagged for removal from Pentagon websites as the department has scrambled to comply with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s order to scrub “diversity” content from all its platforms.

    A database obtained by CNN shows that more than 24,000 articles could be purged, with many gone already. The scrub goes well beyond just the removal of images from the Pentagon’s visual database, known as DVIDS, and includes articles from across more than 1,000 websites hosted by the department.

    The Pentagon previously said in a memo last month that it would be removing news and feature articles promoting diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) content.

    Pentagon Press Secretary John Ullyot said in a statement Wednesday that the Defense Department was “pleased by the rapid compliance” across the Pentagon with the directive removing DEI content from all platforms.

    “In the rare cases that content is removed – either deliberately or by mistake – that is out of the clearly outlined scope of the directive, we instruct the components and they correct the content so it recognizes our heroes for their dedicated service alongside their fellow Americans, period.”

    But dozens of the articles either flagged for removal or removed already — but still accessible via the Internet Archive’s Wayback machine — and reviewed by CNN have no ostensible connection to DEI programs; race theory; gender ideology or identity-based programs.

    At least half a dozen articles already removed are about the Holocaust and now have the word “DEI” in their URL.

    Those include an article about Holocaust survivor Kitty Saks, which remembers the Holocaust as “the state-sponsored, systemic persecution and annihilation of European Jewry”; an article about Holocaust Remembrance Week; and an articletitled “A Cadet’s Perspective: Holocaust Days of Remembrance.”

    The CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt, told CNN that “we are concerned by reports that the Department of Defense has removed Holocaust-related content, including survivor stories, under the label of ‘DEI.’”

    “Honoring the memory of the Holocaust and those who survived is not a matter of political ideology — it is a moral imperative and a vital component of education, remembrance, and the fight against antisemitism,” Greenblatt said. “The history of the Holocaust, including the liberation of the camps, also reflects the bravery and sacrifice of Allied soldiers — a legacy that should be preserved, not erased. We urge the DoD to reverse this decision and preserve these vital historical records.”

    Continues 

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/19/politics/pentagon-website-purge/index.html

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And we were told that the West Bank didn’t have anything to do with 10/07 and that the Palestinians living there lived in a democracy and were treated well by the Israelis. And that Israel wants peace. Talk about an honest discussion.

    Israeli outposts have proliferated in the West Bank since Oct. 7, analysis shows. Palestinians fear annexation could be next.

    Bardala, West BankCNN — 

    Jihad Suleiman Al-Sawafta, 46, has lived on his farm in the occupied West Bank village of Bardala his entire life. But when Israeli settlers showed up in December, Al-Sawafta said his land, and his livelihood, shrank to a fraction of its former self.

    “The settlers brought another settler here and placed him in our area. The Israelis built a road that separates us from grazing and agricultural areas, and the settlers don’t allow us to farm on them,” he told CNN.

    “They crowded the area. They took thousands of dunams (1,000 square meters) from Bardala and its grazing lands,” he said, referring to his Palestinian town in the northern part of the West Bank. He added that the Jordan Valley, a fertile strip of land long considered the West Bank’s breadbasket, had been “largely emptied”of its Palestinian residents

    Israeli forces were overseeing the paving of a new road during CNN’s visit in late January. Al-Sawafta said the military maintains a 24-hour presence, providing security for settlers, making it dangerous for him to cross and tend the crops he planted in nearby fields.

    Responding to a request for comment about the situation in Bardala, the Israeli military told CNN that the status of the outpost had not changed, and that the new road was intended for security forces, paved in accordance with a military order. “Palestinians living in the area were not harmed during the work,” the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said.

    Herding outposts like the one set up on Al-Sawafta’s land are often established by Israeli settlers on hilltops with a few caravans and sometimes livestock to mark their claim. Monitoring groups say they are notorious for swallowing up vast swathes of land and prohibiting Palestinian residents from moving freely. The outposts are illegal under both Israeli and international law, and the state is not allowed to finance or build on them.

    The number of Israeli herding outposts has dramatically increased since Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right coalition took power in 2022 on a platform of settlement expansion. The government includes ministers who are themselves settlers and want to annex the occupied territory to Israel. In the wake of the Hamas-led attackson October 7, 2023, which triggered Israel’s invasion of Gaza, settlers have accelerated land grabs with support from the state.

    Israeli herding outposts have ballooned by nearly 50% since the war broke out, according to a joint report shared exclusively with CNN by Peace Now and Kerem Navot, two Israeli advocacy groups that oppose settlements and track their development, covering data up to the end of December 2024.

    Settlers established 49 new illegal shepherding outposts between October 7, 2023, and December 2024, seizing large swathes of surrounding land, according to the report which was corroborated by a CNN analysis of satellite imagery of the area.

    CNN partnered with the US artificial intelligence company RAIC Labs to monitor the establishment and expansion of new outposts in the West Bank. RAIC Labs used its AI-powered platform to analyze and compare satellite imagery of the West Bank captured by Planet Labs in October 2023 and September 2024, identifying changes in the 49 outposts such as newly constructed structures, recently cleared areas, and emerging roads, which were manually verified by CNN.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/20/middleeast/israel-west-bank-herding-outposts-intl-invs/index.html

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Continuing from above post:

    Peace Now and Kerem Navot estimate that shepherding outposts, occupied by a few hundred settlers, now cover almost 14% of the West Bank. Some of the unauthorized outposts are run by extremist Israeli settlers and settler groups that were sanctioned under the Biden administration, according to the monitoring groups.

    Of the total land seized by settlers in the West Bank since the 1990s using herding outposts, 70% has been taken in the last two and half years alone, the report found.

    It’s important to understand that the herding outposts are a national project, a state project. This is not a project which is initiated by individuals, it’s a project which the state of Israel is standing behind, is budgeting for, is facilitating, is protecting,” Dror Etkes, founder of Kerem Navot and co-author of the report, told CNN.

    CNN reached out to several members of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, for comment on the practice, but none agreed to an interview. CNN also requested comment from the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office, but did not receive a response.

    The IDF told CNN that its “top priority was to ensure the security of all residents in the area.” It added that, through the Civil Administration, it works to enforce against illegal structures in Area C, which comprises about 60% of the West Bank and is fully Israeli-controlled, “in accordance with the operational situation assessment and with approval from the political echelon.”

    ‘Empowered to do whatever they want’

    There is no official planning approval for outposts, unlike officially recognized Jewish settlements, which tend to be larger, more organized urban developments. Settlements are considered illegal under international law and by much of the international community, but Israel disputes that.

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  • Lerxst1992
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    Youve got a specific quote from the last couple months or are you just talking to yourself on a bands politics forum?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    Wasn’t it Nancy who said, “let the women lead” in response to Chuck losing his balls somewhere in the halls of congress?

    I look forward to the doxxing of both women and the character assassinations that will follow.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Continuing the amt fantasy island theme, everyone should fully support getting mexico to recognize Miami Nation as an autonomous state.


  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Continuing the amt fantasy island theme, everyone should fully support getting mexico to recognize Miami Nation as an autonomous state.


    And you post about “wanting peace.” Sure, sure you do. Nice tell.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Continuing the amt fantasy island theme, everyone should fully support getting mexico to recognize Miami Nation as an autonomous state.


    And you post about “wanting peace.” Sure, sure you do. Nice tell.
    Hey boss, da plane, da plane!
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    Continuing the amt fantasy island theme, everyone should fully support getting mexico to recognize Miami Nation as an autonomous state.


    And you post about “wanting peace.” Sure, sure you do. Nice tell.
    Hey boss, da plane, da plane!
    Bibi getting a shout out.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Guess they all should be detained and maybe deported, eh?

    The most dangerous enemy of Israel is Benjamin Netanyahu," protester Moshe Haaharony, 63, told Reuters. "Benjamin Netanyahu, for 20 years, doesn't care about the country, doesn't care about the citizens."

    https://apple.news/Atq4BHB2CS2Gl0J-oDjwHgA

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Yea, sure, Israel wants peace. And ongoing Israeli practice since 1967. But I thought the West Bank didn’t attack Israel on 10/07? 

    Israeli Army to Demolish 180 Homes in West Bank Palestinian Refugee Camps

    The Israeli cabinet updated its war goals in January to include the West Bank, meaning that extensive Israeli forces entered the refugee camps, the air force stepped up aerial attacks in the region, and thousands of residents were evicted from their homes

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-03-21/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-to-demolish-at-least-180-homes-in-west-bank-palestinian-refugee-camps/00000195-b8c7-d093-afd7-becff0e70000

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  • Lerxst1992
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    Yea, sure, Israel wants peace. And ongoing Israeli practice since 1967. But I thought the West Bank didn’t attack Israel on 10/07? 

    Israeli Army to Demolish 180 Homes in West Bank Palestinian Refugee Camps

    The Israeli cabinet updated its war goals in January to include the West Bank, meaning that extensive Israeli forces entered the refugee camps, the air force stepped up aerial attacks in the region, and thousands of residents were evicted from their homes

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-03-21/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-to-demolish-at-least-180-homes-in-west-bank-palestinian-refugee-camps/00000195-b8c7-d093-afd7-becff0e70000



    Continuing the amt theme and bias.

    Hmmmm, from YOUR article (did you read behind the paywall or just trying to create mayhem?)


    ” Besides the operations inside the camps, defense establishment officials say they believe Israel can reach an understanding with Palestinian security forces and hand over responsibility for managing Tulkarm to them.

    The army has maintained security cooperation with Palestinian Authority forces throughout the operation. According to reports, in many cases, when Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists fled areas that the army had entered, Palestinian forces arrested them. PA officials do not rule out the possibility of building police stations in these camps to increase supervision

    ..

    it ain’t perfect, it ain’t even good, but the left news bias posting news here is something else

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    Yea, sure, Israel wants peace. And ongoing Israeli practice since 1967. But I thought the West Bank didn’t attack Israel on 10/07? 

    Israeli Army to Demolish 180 Homes in West Bank Palestinian Refugee Camps

    The Israeli cabinet updated its war goals in January to include the West Bank, meaning that extensive Israeli forces entered the refugee camps, the air force stepped up aerial attacks in the region, and thousands of residents were evicted from their homes

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-03-21/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-to-demolish-at-least-180-homes-in-west-bank-palestinian-refugee-camps/00000195-b8c7-d093-afd7-becff0e70000



    Continuing the amt theme and bias.

    Hmmmm, from YOUR article (did you read behind the paywall or just trying to create mayhem?)


    ” Besides the operations inside the camps, defense establishment officials say they believe Israel can reach an understanding with Palestinian security forces and hand over responsibility for managing Tulkarm to them.

    The army has maintained security cooperation with Palestinian Authority forces throughout the operation. According to reports, in many cases, when Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists fled areas that the army had entered, Palestinian forces arrested them. PA officials do not rule out the possibility of building police stations in these camps to increase supervision

    ..

    it ain’t perfect, it ain’t even good, but the left news bias posting news here is something else

    “Believe” does not equal “did.”  I don’t trust a word the Israeli government spews.

    ”According to reports.” What reports? Whose “reports?” Israeli military reports?

    You’d like us to believe that there is vast cooperation between the sides? Seems the Israeli’s have found a lap dog. You know, proxy forces.

    Now, explain the demolition of 180 Palestinian homes in the West Bank.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Because I’d believe statements from a government that does this. Absolutely I would. Just like I trusted COOTWH’s “gone by Easter.”

    Israeli officials threatened hostage families to suppress criticism, says cousin of hostage

    Among other threats and manipulations, hostage families were told that if they spoke out, their family member who was held hostage would turn into a symbol.

    Gil Dickmann, whose cousin Carmel Gat was killed by Hamas alongside five other hostages after surviving 11 months of captivity, said last week that the hostage families who spoke out against the government were threatened by senior officials.

    He made the statement in theKnesset Finance Committee, following up in a Friday X/Twitter post in which he explained that "very senior people in Israel" threatened and conned hostage families.

    The threats and manipulations were made by those "whose sole purpose is to silence us, intimidate us, and give the government full credit to continue the war indefinitely and abandon the hostages in Gaza until they are forgotten," Dickmann said in the post.

    He explained that he was hesitant to speak out and is not willing to put the hostages still in Gaza at risk or reveal details while "the situation is so sensitive," but added that "the truth must be told – so that you can recognize such a threat and expose it, so that those who are making threats now, sometimes publicly using code names, will not be able to continue this extortion."

    Continues 

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-847290

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    This is the Israeli government that some posters have put their faith in and want you to believe are the righteous ones. From the above link:

    The hostage families were also told not to criticize the government because this would lead to division among the people and strengthen Hamas.

    "The same government that sends soldiers into battle while passing divisive legislation, inciting against the judiciary, the security establishment, the media, and half the nation—the same government that strengthened Hamas for a decade with cash payments and continues to strengthen it now by leaving the hostages in its hands—is accusing the families of the hostages of empowering Hamas," he said.

    Another thing said to family members of hostages, according to Dickmann, was, "Don't dare criticize us. You are hurting IDF soldiers and bereaved families. If you are not nice, the nation will hate you."

    "The most hated people in the country - politicians, are telling the families that the public hates them," he said, adding that the families are told that if they are truthful about how ministers and members of Knesset treat them, they will "bring criticism" on themselves.

    Hostage families were also told not to "make noise" lest it "increase the price" for the hostages.

    Dickmann called this a threat that has been "whispered for decades," adding that this was used to silence the families of Avera Mengistu and Hisham al-Sayed while "they did almost nothing to bring Avera and Hisham home."

    "The most senior officials in the negotiation rooms told us explicitly—no connection was identified between the noise a family makes and the price, not for their hostage and not for the deal as a whole. The only thing public attention does is push a deal forward. And those who oppose a deal threaten that the noise will raise the price," Dickmann said.

    Dickmann listed additional versions of threats and extortion, adding that there are even more things said to the hostage families to silence them.

    "This extortion continues even now. But we have stopped being afraid," he said.

    "It is our duty—the media, the citizens, those who never had hostages in Gaza or whose hostages have already returned in body bags—to point out these threats everywhere. For the families, for the hostages—and for ourselves."




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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,916
    Yea, sure, Israel wants peace. And ongoing Israeli practice since 1967. But I thought the West Bank didn’t attack Israel on 10/07? 

    Israeli Army to Demolish 180 Homes in West Bank Palestinian Refugee Camps

    The Israeli cabinet updated its war goals in January to include the West Bank, meaning that extensive Israeli forces entered the refugee camps, the air force stepped up aerial attacks in the region, and thousands of residents were evicted from their homes

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-03-21/ty-article/.premium/israeli-army-to-demolish-at-least-180-homes-in-west-bank-palestinian-refugee-camps/00000195-b8c7-d093-afd7-becff0e70000



    Continuing the amt theme and bias.

    Hmmmm, from YOUR article (did you read behind the paywall or just trying to create mayhem?)


    ” Besides the operations inside the camps, defense establishment officials say they believe Israel can reach an understanding with Palestinian security forces and hand over responsibility for managing Tulkarm to them.

    The army has maintained security cooperation with Palestinian Authority forces throughout the operation. According to reports, in many cases, when Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists fled areas that the army had entered, Palestinian forces arrested them. PA officials do not rule out the possibility of building police stations in these camps to increase supervision

    ..

    it ain’t perfect, it ain’t even good, but the left news bias posting news here is something else

    “Believe” does not equal “did.”  I don’t trust a word the Israeli government spews.

    ”According to reports.” What reports? Whose “reports?” Israeli military reports?

    You’d like us to believe that there is vast cooperation between the sides? Seems the Israeli’s have found a lap dog. You know, proxy forces.

    Now, explain the demolition of 180 Palestinian homes in the West Bank.


    My comment highlighted the fact they were trying to work with the PA to increase safety, from your article, facts completely omitted from your post. So, nope didn’t even read your own article. Failure to respond left a strong impression.