After reading about people’s experience at “TOOL in the Sand” - It renewed my appreciation for PJ, even if it isn’t what it used to be
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After reading about people’s experience at “TOOL in the Sand” - It renewed my appreciation for PJ, even if it isn’t what it used to be
I leave every PJ show feeling like it was worth all the expense and time. Sounds like TOOL made a lot of people pretty mad
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Read an article this morning about the TOOL getaway. Ouch!!
Sounded terrible. Yes always a risk seeing a band for two nights if they aren’t known for mixing up their sets. But when it’s advertised as a weekend away you would have thought they would have mixed stuff up.
Eh. Those of us at Worcester 2 2013 who had also been there the night before knew we weren't seeing as good a show. Doesn't mean it wasn't a good show or a fun show, but it also wasn't the best as it was happening.
I skipped N1 & only went to N2.
If I’m understanding the internet correctly, N1 had Last Kiss, Crazy Mary and Sonic Reducer near the end of the show. Have nothing against any of those songs, but PJ has about a hundred self written tunes I’d rather hear towards the end of any show. Apologies if I’ve mixed the nights.
This is why you can't judge a show by the setlist...
Ed didn't have it @ N2. People said he got shattered the night before so he may have been hung over. (N1 was an epic show by all accounts) .
Long story short, the energy from the band just wasn't there, it was as lackluster a show as I've ever seen out of them.
I was at Buffalo 2013 the show before and thought at the time Ed was starting to come down with a cold.
We thought that (Ed) but then someone told us that it’s a horrible sound system in Buffalo. Don’t know if that true(?).
Read an article this morning about the TOOL getaway. Ouch!!
Sounded terrible. Yes always a risk seeing a band for two nights if they aren’t known for mixing up their sets. But when it’s advertised as a weekend away you would have thought they would have mixed stuff up.
Unless they explicitly said they were doing that, I wouldn't have thought that would be a given at all. I thought the appeal was more about the destination aspect and variety of other bands performing.
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Read an article this morning about the TOOL getaway. Ouch!!
Sounded terrible. Yes always a risk seeing a band for two nights if they aren’t known for mixing up their sets. But when it’s advertised as a weekend away you would have thought they would have mixed stuff up.
Unless they explicitly said they were doing that, I wouldn't have thought that would be a given at all. I thought the appeal was more about the destination aspect and variety of other bands performing.
If you're scheduling your own festival and only selling full weekend packages you should not be repeating songs.
Especially when you're only playing 2 nights.
Especially when you've only scheduled yourself for 90 minutes each night.
Read an article this morning about the TOOL getaway. Ouch!!
Sounded terrible. Yes always a risk seeing a band for two nights if they aren’t known for mixing up their sets. But when it’s advertised as a weekend away you would have thought they would have mixed stuff up.
Unless they explicitly said they were doing that, I wouldn't have thought that would be a given at all. I thought the appeal was more about the destination aspect and variety of other bands performing.
If you're scheduling your own festival and only selling full weekend packages you should not be repeating songs.
Especially when you're only playing 2 nights.
Especially when you've only scheduled yourself for 90 minutes each night.
and especially when you don't even play the full 90mins on night 2. But that was probably because the atmosphere was already pretty vile and another repeat would have finished the set...
Read an article this morning about the TOOL getaway. Ouch!!
Sounded terrible. Yes always a risk seeing a band for two nights if they aren’t known for mixing up their sets. But when it’s advertised as a weekend away you would have thought they would have mixed stuff up.
Unless they explicitly said they were doing that, I wouldn't have thought that would be a given at all. I thought the appeal was more about the destination aspect and variety of other bands performing.
If you're scheduling your own festival and only selling full weekend packages you should not be repeating songs.
Especially when you're only playing 2 nights.
Especially when you've only scheduled yourself for 90 minutes each night.
Also, don't advertise 2 unique sets, and then troll your audience about their justified expectation for a different set on night 2.
& while we're at it, drop the friggin' 10 minute drum solo.
I was glad to finally see them for the first time last year, but after looking at the setlists from the past four years, I realised I could easily wait another five or six years before seeing them again—basically until they release another album, if that ever happens. It’s way better being a Pearl Jam fan, as long as you’re not stuck in Europe most of the time...
I was glad to finally see them for the first time last year, but after looking at the setlists from the past four years, I realised I could easily wait another five or six years before seeing them again—basically until they release another album, if that ever happens. It’s way better being a Pearl Jam fan, as long as you’re not stuck in Europe most of the time...
There was a period from about 2006-2014 where people not from Europe complained about how much PJ was playing in Europe. Their touring cycles and locales have ebbs and flows. You just happened to jump in where they had a couple tough tours with cancellations, after having not been in EU since 2018. Prior to that they were very good to UK/EU fans for about 12 years.
2003 - June 15 Fargo 2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg 2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View 2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago 2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York 2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia 2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View 2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon 2012 - Sept 30 Missoula 2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle 2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee 2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York 2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
I was glad to finally see them for the first time last year, but after looking at the setlists from the past four years, I realised I could easily wait another five or six years before seeing them again—basically until they release another album, if that ever happens. It’s way better being a Pearl Jam fan, as long as you’re not stuck in Europe most of the time...
There was a period from about 2006-2014 where people not from Europe complained about how much PJ was playing in Europe. Their touring cycles and locales have ebbs and flows. You just happened to jump in where they had a couple tough tours with cancellations, after having not been in EU since 2018. Prior to that they were very good to UK/EU fans for about 12 years.
Oh yeah, I really enjoyed 2006 a lot, as well as 2007. I think at that time, I thought I had seen enough, and Backspacer wasn't my favourite album when it came out. But it’s funny to think that between 2009 and 2012, I could have seen Pearl Jam four times in Berlin alone, without having to travel much. And hey, I was never keen on the forum either back then, but yeah, choices, right?
I saw Tool in 2009 and 2017 and it felt like the same exact show even though the sets were slightly different. I could never love a band who treats their fans like that.
4k plus for ten songs each night? Fuck that. Never liked Tool anyway. If Pearl Jam ever does one of these weekend getaway travel packages I am done.
They're a lot of fun when they're done right. The My Morning Jacket OBHs have been fantastic. Tool executed poorly. I would have faith in a Pearl Jam one if they did it.
4k plus for ten songs each night? Fuck that. Never liked Tool anyway. If Pearl Jam ever does one of these weekend getaway travel packages I am done.
So I guess you are not a fan of ohana travel packages? I know you can do ohana on the cheap but one of those packages with exchange rate and all is close to 4K for some people.
Was the tool fest just a three day concert of did they all get goodies etc..
2005: Ottawa / 2011: Ottawa / 2016: Ottawa / 2022: Ottawa / 2022:Quebec City / 2024: Vancouver / 2024: Vancouver / 2024: New York City
If there was to be a Canadian tour later in the year what are the ticketing rules for Canada? Transfers allowed ?
I know nothing about dates btw just thinking ahead
Same rules apply as the BC show in 2024. No transfers allowed, get buddy to scan you in, share log ins, use F2F.. etc
Keep in mind if you are in the US and try to sell Canadian show tickets on F2F… it is a pain in the ass to get paid. A few of us were waiting a very long time and still ended up getting a Canadian check mailed to us after all was said and done
*cheque /s
Spelled cheque or chequing in Canada but check or checking in the States.
I know. that's what the "/s" is for. Denotes sarcasm.
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4k plus for ten songs each night? Fuck that. Never liked Tool anyway. If Pearl Jam ever does one of these weekend getaway travel packages I am done.
So I guess you are not a fan of ohana travel packages? I know you can do ohana on the cheap but one of those packages with exchange rate and all is close to 4K for some people.
Was the tool fest just a three day concert of did they all get goodies etc..
All-inclusive resort package in Punta Cana. Everything but airfare.
Heard that the boys might be playing in Peoria. And Newport News.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II, 04/26& 04/26/25: Hollywood (Davie) I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans (FINALLY), Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
Heard that the boys might be playing in Peoria. And Newport News.
WALLA. WALLA. WASHINGTON.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II, 04/26& 04/26/25: Hollywood (Davie) I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans (FINALLY), Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
4k plus for ten songs each night? Fuck that. Never liked Tool anyway. If Pearl Jam ever does one of these weekend getaway travel packages I am done.
They're a lot of fun when they're done right. The My Morning Jacket OBHs have been fantastic. Tool executed poorly. I would have faith in a Pearl Jam one if they did it.
MMJ had a great run of travel packages that were a great deal and very well executed. I never did OBH but they had some great deals for Louisville, Chicago and Red Rocks. Less than 1K per man for 2-3 nights plus good swag. And great seats. Not really a destination type thing but great value including everything but the flights. When I see the prices for these destination trips I just shrug. Why anyone would spend 4K to see 2.5 hours of Tool makes no sense to me.
4k plus for ten songs each night? Fuck that. Never liked Tool anyway. If Pearl Jam ever does one of these weekend getaway travel packages I am done.
So I guess you are not a fan of ohana travel packages? I know you can do ohana on the cheap but one of those packages with exchange rate and all is close to 4K for some people.
Was the tool fest just a three day concert of did they all get goodies etc..
I have only been once in 2021 and I paid top dollar for GA tix on the secondary market. And yes, we stayed in Mission Viejo and ubered in and out. Still less than 2k per man for a very nice 5 day weekend. I have never really looked at the Ohana travel packages to be honest.
4k plus for ten songs each night? Fuck that. Never liked Tool anyway. If Pearl Jam ever does one of these weekend getaway travel packages I am done.
So I guess you are not a fan of ohana travel packages? I know you can do ohana on the cheap but one of those packages with exchange rate and all is close to 4K for some people.
Was the tool fest just a three day concert of did they all get goodies etc..
Wasn't there a Pearl Jam Suite for the Home Shows that...I think ended up being given away?
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2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023.
*Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted)
Seattle 5.30.2024 Noblesville 8.26.2024 Chicago 8.29.2024 Chicago 8.31.2024
Especially when you're only playing 2 nights.
Especially when you've only scheduled yourself for 90 minutes each night.
But that was probably because the atmosphere was already pretty vile and another repeat would have finished the set...
2005 - Calgary, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Kitchener, Montréal, Ottawa
2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
2007 - Munich
2013 - Calgary
2014 - Vienna
2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
2018 - Padova
2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
& while we're at it, drop the friggin' 10 minute drum solo.
It’s way better being a Pearl Jam fan, as long as you’re not stuck in Europe most of the time...
2005 - Calgary, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Kitchener, Montréal, Ottawa
2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
2007 - Munich
2013 - Calgary
2014 - Vienna
2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
2018 - Padova
2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg
2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View
2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago
2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York
2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia
2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View
2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon
2012 - Sept 30 Missoula
2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle
2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee
2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York
2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
And hey, I was never keen on the forum either back then, but yeah, choices, right?
2005 - Calgary, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Kitchener, Montréal, Ottawa
2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
2007 - Munich
2013 - Calgary
2014 - Vienna
2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
2018 - Padova
2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
Crazy stuff. https://lambgoat.com/news/46580/tool-fans-upset-following-disappointing-tool-in-the-sand-weekend-considering-class-action-lawsuit/
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Song Wishlist: Oceans (FINALLY), Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Song Wishlist: Oceans (FINALLY), Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
MMJ had a great run of travel packages that were a great deal and very well executed. I never did OBH but they had some great deals for Louisville, Chicago and Red Rocks. Less than 1K per man for 2-3 nights plus good swag. And great seats. Not really a destination type thing but great value including everything but the flights. When I see the prices for these destination trips I just shrug. Why anyone would spend 4K to see 2.5 hours of Tool makes no sense to me.
I have only been once in 2021 and I paid top dollar for GA tix on the secondary market. And yes, we stayed in Mission Viejo and ubered in and out. Still less than 2k per man for a very nice 5 day weekend. I have never really looked at the Ohana travel packages to be honest.
Wasn't there a Pearl Jam Suite for the Home Shows that...I think ended up being given away?