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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,030
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 

    A traitor is anyone in U.S. government who turns their back on the pledge they made to uphold the Constitution of The United States.  Trump is a traitor. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,113
    brianlux said:
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 

    A traitor is anyone in U.S. government who turns their back on the pledge they made to uphold the Constitution of The United States.  Trump is a traitor. 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 

    goes beyond "our" foreign policy. really upends what most countries condiered the correct world order.

    being buddies with Putin is all well and good. Shouldnt we receive something as a nation for the change in relationship? As it stands I havent heard what we stand to gain here.

    Also then looking forward to the change in stance on Cuba since Russia is a friend now.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    Ukraine found a Musk StarLink module in a Russian 'Geran' unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). Yet another reason why Musk should have his fellowship with the UK's Royal Society rescinded.

    https://www.defensemirror.com/news/37769
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    🇺🇦🇺🇸When NATO’s article 5 was invoked for the first time in history after the 9/11, Ukraine NON-NATO ally, deployed to forces Afghanistan. Not because they had to, but in solidarity with the United States.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    Maxar Technologies has cut off Ukraine’s access to its satellite imagery — “Militarnyi” portal

    Ukrainian users of the service received a message stating that access to the services was terminated “by administrative request.”
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    Trump reportedly won’t restore military aid or intelligence sharing with Ukraine — even if Kyiv and Washington strike a deal on mineral resources — NBC News

    He wants Zelensky to cede territory to Russia, take steps toward holding elections, and possibly step down.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,829
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 
    russia is the enemy of the west. this is well known and well established. trump is cozying up to an enemy. traitor. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,728
    Yep doing Putin’s bidding! 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,113
    Yep doing Putin’s bidding! 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    “Russia will be helpless against a united Europe…It’s striking but it’s true. Right now, 500 million Europeans are begging 300 million Americans for protection from 140 million Russians who have been unable to overcome 50 million Ukrainians for three years.”-Polish President Donald Tusk. SlavaUkraini
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    Nate Vance, a cousin of JD Vance, has been fighting alongside Ukraine as a volunteer in the "Da Vinci Wolves" group, for 2.5 years. His comments on the events in the Oval Office:

    "I thought it was just a political strategy. But what they did to Zelensky was a dishonest ambush. (...)
    Just because we're related doesn't mean that I'm going to accept you helping to kill my comrades."

    Source: Le Figaro
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,836
    mickeyrat said:

    “Russia will be helpless against a united Europe…It’s striking but it’s true. Right now, 500 million Europeans are begging 300 million Americans for protection from 140 million Russians who have been unable to overcome 50 million Ukrainians for three years.”-Polish President Donald Tusk. SlavaUkraini
    Russia has over 5,000 nuclear weapons. The EU plus the U.K. have about 500.

    Now would Russia use them in Europe? I doubt it, but it complicates Tusk's equation above.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974
    if true, I guess the question is when do the shipments arrive?



    Diehl Defence, the manufacturer of the Iris-T air defense system, has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the 🇺🇦Ukrainian Ministry of Defense.

    The document envisages a threefold increase in the supply of missiles and air defense systems to the company.

    In addition, the agreement paves the way for large industrial projects that will strengthen Ukraine's air defense.

    USA patriot is thrown out.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    🇺🇦🇫🇷 “France has announced a new €195 million aid package for Ukraine, funded by frozen Russian assets, including 155mm shells and AASM guided bombs.” - Le Figaro
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    🇺🇦President Zelenskyy: Today, Defense Minister Umerov reported on his meetings and contacts with partners regarding new support packages: Poland, Germany, European Union, The Netherlands, Northern European and Baltic countries – full support, which means new aid packages.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    "The U.S. decision to suspend the flow of military intelligence to Ukraine this week has aided the Russian advance along a critical part of the front, weakening the negotiating position of President Volodymyr Zelensky and killing many Ukrainian soldiers in recent days..."
    https://time.com/7265679/satellites-front-failing-hundreds-dead-fallout-trump-ukraine-aid-pause/
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974
    hmmm. is it true?


    Explosive revelations from ex-CIA insider John Sipher: Russian intel is unraveling and hints of Putin’s downfall are emerging amid the Ukraine crisis. Discover how spies are reacting.

    Watch: https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/48563
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    A Ukrainian unmanned drone attacked a gas platform in the Black Sea that was seized by Russia in 2014.

    The video shows the  Magura-Venom naval drone launching a smaller drone to strike the gas production facility. This confirms that Ukraine has developed a large naval drone that can carry smaller kamikaze drones.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,712
    Is the war over yet? What are these two bit negotiators talking about? 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    mickeyrat said:
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 

    goes beyond "our" foreign policy. really upends what most countries condiered the correct world order.

    being buddies with Putin is all well and good. Shouldnt we receive something as a nation for the change in relationship? As it stands I havent heard what we stand to gain here.

    Also then looking forward to the change in stance on Cuba since Russia is a friend now.
    Yeah I am not in full disagreement.  I just think we tend to throw around some pretty large terms (me as well) and wanted to take a step back and see if it really makes sense.  I also think Trump was already a traitor on Jan 6th....
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974
    mickeyrat said:
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 

    goes beyond "our" foreign policy. really upends what most countries condiered the correct world order.

    being buddies with Putin is all well and good. Shouldnt we receive something as a nation for the change in relationship? As it stands I havent heard what we stand to gain here.

    Also then looking forward to the change in stance on Cuba since Russia is a friend now.
    Yeah I am not in full disagreement.  I just think we tend to throw around some pretty large terms (me as well) and wanted to take a step back and see if it really makes sense.  I also think Trump was already a traitor on Jan 6th....

    my view is he is personally anti-constitutional and has surrounded himself with the same.
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,836
    brianlux said:
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 

    A traitor is anyone in U.S. government who turns their back on the pledge they made to uphold the Constitution of The United States.  Trump is a traitor. 
    For what it's worth-- and the Constitution no longer seems to be relevant, alas-- the Constitution defines treason as "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Unless you don't define Russia as an enemy, I'd say there's a slam-dunk case under the second half of the definition.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,465
    BF25394 said:
    brianlux said:
    That is obviously a very harsh charge. 

    And I’m not convinced he isn’t a traitor. But what is a traitor and what is a change in foreign policy? 

    Hurting Ukraine while awful and not what I want for my America, isn’t really being a traitor is it? 

    A traitor is anyone in U.S. government who turns their back on the pledge they made to uphold the Constitution of The United States.  Trump is a traitor. 
    For what it's worth-- and the Constitution no longer seems to be relevant, alas-- the Constitution defines treason as "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Unless you don't define Russia as an enemy, I'd say there's a slam-dunk case under the second half of the definition.
    Well remember, "enemy" requires that Congress declare war, and only Congress under the Constitution.  

    But... additional statutes were created that expanded the definition.  They were used against the Rosenbergs even though we were not at war with the USSR.  

    I always found it interesting that treason was the only crime defined by the Founders though. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974
    gonna look for confirmation

    Anonymous

    Trump ordered the dismantling of the landing platform at Rzeszow airbase in Poland, the US has broken down warehouses and torn apart slabs of concrete on the runway to prevent further aid transports to Ukraine. Trump has no intention of resuming US aid to Ukraine. StandWithUkraine
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,712
    mickeyrat said:
    gonna look for confirmation

    Anonymous

    Trump ordered the dismantling of the landing platform at Rzeszow airbase in Poland, the US has broken down warehouses and torn apart slabs of concrete on the runway to prevent further aid transports to Ukraine. Trump has no intention of resuming US aid to Ukraine. StandWithUkraine
    Regardless, the US is currently an enemy of the EU and NATO. Poland should boot their asses, if true.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,728
    Traitor administration standing with the aggressors of the world! And just about half this nation is either ok with it or doesn’t even understand what’s happening! 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,974

    BREAKING: Portugal has sent eight SA-330 Puma helicopters to Ukraine

    The helicopters are equipped with Exocet anti-ship missiles and the ORB-31 X-Band radar system which allows Ukraine to identify targets both on surface level and underwater.

    - Anton Gerashchenko, Advisor to Ukrainian Internal Affairs
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  • hunterh75hunterh75 Posts: 68
    Traitor administration standing with the aggressors of the world! And just about half this nation is either ok with it or doesn’t even understand what’s happening! 
    Good thing you're on here to educate us. I've seen less TDS on liberal websites than the threads on here. Good luck sleeping at night........Big bad orange man under your bed, in your closet, in your head
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