Keeping Men out of Women's Sports

shadowcast · March 5

lastexitlondon said:

I played football. The real knid with the feet. For many years if I played against a female I would hurt them badly by my very size and bullishness. It's a different game . That's why there is womens football. Equal.
Mens equal .
There is no more to say on it.

Thank you!!! Common Sense has entered the chat.

Bentleyspop · March 5

shadowcast said:

It's fake to suggest that it is a big issue that affects very many people. A delicate issue for sure...but so rare it shouldn't be featured in political ads.

It all starts somewhere. Next thing you know Men dressed up as woman will want to go into girls bathrooms.

https://youtu.be/WqDlVtgeYnk?si=hGRPXCNxbtT2ga9a

Sea · March 6

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cincybearcat · March 6

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/politics/newsom-trans-athletes-womens-sports/index.html

Newsom knows what's up.

Go Beavers · March 6

And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems.

Gern Blansten · March 6

I saw someone reporting on this that Newsom is "breaking from Democrats"....he's really not. I think the issue has been blown up by the magats.

cincybearcat · March 6

And it's good that he is just coming out and saying it...the Dems have blown the communication on the issue, as Newsom even says about the Harris campaign. This is a good sign for a guy that might run for president.

cincybearcat · March 6

Go Beavers said:

And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems.

Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?

Go Beavers · March 6

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems.

Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?

Is that a leading question? I don’t know. Tell
me what the backlash was specifically.

cincybearcat · March 6

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems.

Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?

Is that a leading question? I don’t know. Tell
me what the backlash was specifically.

It was in the article:

"Other Democrats have gotten pushback for comments similar to Newsom’s. Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts has been vocal about transgender policies and told The New York Times in November that identity politics, particularly around transgender rights, hurt Democrats in the election, saying, “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”

Moulton got criticism from Democrats for his comments, and his campaign manager, Matt Chilliak, resigned in response to the remarks, according to The Boston Globe."

Go Beavers · March 6

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems.

Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?

Is that a leading question? I don’t know. Tell
me what the backlash was specifically.

It was in the article:

"Other Democrats have gotten pushback for comments similar to Newsom’s. Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts has been vocal about transgender policies and told The New York Times in November that identity politics, particularly around transgender rights, hurt Democrats in the election, saying, “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”
Moulton got criticism from Democrats for his comments, and his campaign manager, Matt Chilliak, resigned in response to the remarks, according to The Boston Globe."

I don’t know what your angle is really. Having people disagree within the group I see as a strength. Tge other option is the forced conformity and compliance we have with republicans. Newsom’s quote from the article highlights the complexity of the issue:

Newsom addressed both sides of the issue, saying, “You know that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.”

Gern Blansten · March 6

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems.

Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?

Is that a leading question? I don’t know. Tell
me what the backlash was specifically.

It was in the article:

"Other Democrats have gotten pushback for comments similar to Newsom’s. Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts has been vocal about transgender policies and told The New York Times in November that identity politics, particularly around transgender rights, hurt Democrats in the election, saying, “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”
Moulton got criticism from Democrats for his comments, and his campaign manager, Matt Chilliak, resigned in response to the remarks, according to The Boston Globe."

Dems are so bad at messaging. You can support the LGBTQ+ community without favoring allowing men to play in women's sports and vice versa.

Similar to the abortion issue. The right brands the dems as loving abortions rather than just wanting that to be a choice between a woman and her doctor.

DE4173 · March 6

The article posted states that he, "break[s] from most Democrats’ position on the topic."

I know he's a governor, and don't know the exact number of all Democrats that are for or against.

I do know how the Senate voted, however:

OnWis97 · March 6

What was in the bill? Was there something beyond the title?

DE4173 · March 6

Excellent question! Let me look (for a link). 😉

DE4173 · March 6

OnWis97 said:

What was in the bill? Was there something beyond the title?

https://legiscan.com/US/bill/SB9/2025

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/bill-to-ban-male-competition-in-womens-sports-fails-to-proceed-in-senate

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/s9/studyguide

https://legiscan.com/US/text/SB9/id/3049354

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/9/all-actions

https://fastdemocracy.com/bill-search/us/119/bills/USB00089663/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/senate-dems-block-bill-to-protect-womens-sports

https://www.quiverquant.com/bills/119/s-9

Ledbetterman10 · March 6

DE4173 said:

The article posted states that he, "break[s] from most Democrats’ position on the topic."

I know he's a governor, and don't know the exact number of all Democrats that are for or against.

I do know how the Senate voted, however:

And every house democrat voted against it. Every single one. The vote went right down party lines. 218-206.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/14/politics/house-vote-ban-transgender-athletes-womens-sports

Go Beavers · March 6

Why is the government in a better position to manage it than the agency/association that controls the sport? We also know the legislation written by republicans is poorly done.

DE4173 · March 6

Ledbetterman10 said:

DE4173 said:

The article posted states that he, "break[s] from most Democrats’ position on the topic."

I know he's a governor, and don't know the exact number of all Democrats that are for or against.

I do know how the Senate voted, however:

And every house democrat voted against it. Every single one. The vote went right down party lines. 218-206.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/14/politics/house-vote-ban-transgender-athletes-womens-sports

The article you posted has:

The House vote was 218 to 206 with two Democrats voting in favor and one Democrat voting “present.” Reps. Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar of Texas were the two Democrats who voted for the bill and Rep. Don Davis of North Carolina was the present vote.

smile6680 · March 6

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

Go Beavers said:

And what he’s saying aligns with a large majority of dems.

Why did another Dem get backlash for their comment by the party and have staff quit then though?

Is that a leading question? I don’t know. Tell
me what the backlash was specifically.

It was in the article:

"Other Democrats have gotten pushback for comments similar to Newsom’s. Democratic Rep. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts has been vocal about transgender policies and told The New York Times in November that identity politics, particularly around transgender rights, hurt Democrats in the election, saying, “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”
Moulton got criticism from Democrats for his comments, and his campaign manager, Matt Chilliak, resigned in response to the remarks, according to The Boston Globe."

I don’t know what your angle is really. Having people disagree within the group I see as a strength. Tge other option is the forced conformity and compliance we have with republicans. Newsom’s quote from the article highlights the complexity of the issue:

Newsom addressed both sides of the issue, saying, “You know that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand.”

I completely agree with your point about disagreement within party's as a good thing. People need to start listening to opinions that are different then theirs.

We have a pretty decent congressman in the state I live in. He won't hesitate to cross party lines if he thinks a bill isn't good for the people he represents.

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