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DE4173 · March 5

"We are going continue to speak lies to his truth, to his stealing and to his cheating." - Rep Sydney Kamlager-Dove (D-CA)

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DE4173 · March 5

How are we feeling this morning?

jimjam1982 · March 5

Kind of funny how quiet it's gotten here. Objectively, they got obliterated last night. Party was probably set back another decade. Instead of just riling up the left wingers, that's too easy and gets boring....let's ask an honest question...

What is the democratic plan to win back swing voters? They need a HARD separation from the left wing extremists that have hijacked the once great party that I used to steadfastly support and vote for.

What are their points of compromise to ever have a chance of getting back in office? The plan can't possibly be spew forth the senseless rhetoric they did during 2024....there has to be a plan right? The party used to be great. I am a 2x Obama voter, and voted against Bush 2x. Wouldn't mind being a swing voter once again but the Dems got to have a plan right? Some might say, somethings got to give?

Halifax2TheMax · March 5

jimjam1982 said:

Kind of funny how quiet it's gotten here. Objectively, they got obliterated last night. Party was probably set back another decade. Instead of just riling up the left wingers, that's too easy and gets boring....let's ask an honest question...

What is the democratic plan to win back swing voters? They need a HARD separation from the left wing extremists that have hijacked the once great party that I used to steadfastly support and vote for.

What are their points of compromise to ever have a chance of getting back in office? The plan can't possibly be spew forth the senseless rhetoric they did during 2024....there has to be a plan right? The party used to be great. I am a 2x Obama voter, and voted against Bush 2x. Wouldn't mind being a swing voter once again but the Dems got to have a plan right? Some might say, somethings got to give?

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OnWis97 · March 5

The Dems don't have any idea what to do. It's not as simple as steering too hard into "we're not Trump."

They can't adjust to the way Americans get their information/disinformation. They don't understand why anger and frustration resonate so well in an era in which the American Dream has been replaced by mere survival. They don't seem to know what podcasts are. They don't know how to combat the bought-and-paid-for people whose voices actually matter (which I admit is a difficult one). They don't understand that people appreciate someone that does "something" even if it's bad more than someone that does nothing. And they're utterly handcuffed by the increasing popularity of MAGA after January 6, while Biden was essentially an effective if unspectacular president, and while Elon Musk becomes the biggest Kleptocrat in this country's history.

We tell third parties they need to focus on local seats, then state, then national. That's probably where the Democrats are right now. They're not a major player at this point. Assuming fair elections, they'll continue to have a third of senators and 40 percent of Reps because some states/districts will simply vote against MAGA. In the meantime, MAGA's cool. Traditional families are counterculture, which is cool. Disinformation has us believing Elon Musk cares about this country.

The party is out of its depth. It's been beaten by a much smarter and more savvy party.

mrussel1 · March 5

jimjam1982 said:

Kind of funny how quiet it's gotten here. Objectively, they got obliterated last night. Party was probably set back another decade. Instead of just riling up the left wingers, that's too easy and gets boring....let's ask an honest question...

What is the democratic plan to win back swing voters? They need a HARD separation from the left wing extremists that have hijacked the once great party that I used to steadfastly support and vote for.

What are their points of compromise to ever have a chance of getting back in office? The plan can't possibly be spew forth the senseless rhetoric they did during 2024....there has to be a plan right? The party used to be great. I am a 2x Obama voter, and voted against Bush 2x. Wouldn't mind being a swing voter once again but the Dems got to have a plan right? Some might say, somethings got to give?

WTF see you even saying? “Objectively they got dominated”. I don’t think you know what that word means.

What is the plan to win back swing voters? It’s easy. Let Trump continue down the path of the double whammy of inflation and recession. They are both well on their way. Good luck winning the mid-terms if that materializes. And he will own it. Recessions are normally not the cause of an administration but this one is barreling its way towards it.

Vitalogensia · March 5

mrussel1 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Kind of funny how quiet it's gotten here. Objectively, they got obliterated last night. Party was probably set back another decade. Instead of just riling up the left wingers, that's too easy and gets boring....let's ask an honest question...

What is the democratic plan to win back swing voters? They need a HARD separation from the left wing extremists that have hijacked the once great party that I used to steadfastly support and vote for.

What are their points of compromise to ever have a chance of getting back in office? The plan can't possibly be spew forth the senseless rhetoric they did during 2024....there has to be a plan right? The party used to be great. I am a 2x Obama voter, and voted against Bush 2x. Wouldn't mind being a swing voter once again but the Dems got to have a plan right? Some might say, somethings got to give?

WTF see you even saying? “Objectively they got dominated”. I don’t think you know what that word means.

What is the plan to win back swing voters? It’s easy. Let Trump continue down the path of the double whammy of inflation and recession. They are both well on their way. Good luck winning the mid-terms if that materializes. And he will own it. Recessions are normally not the cause of an administration but this one is barreling its way towards it.

I agree, but doubt Trump will ever take responsibility, and his supporters will parrot any reason he gives them to blame someone else.

OnWis97 · March 5

If things go as badly as they could, it'll matter but probably not as much as it would have 20 years ago. The performative outrage from the people Amagacans listen to will just turn out more nonsense. This is also why Elon said things would be bad for a while. By the way, Elon is going to pour staggering amounts of money into elections in 2026.

The Democrats will have to do more than "told you so." They'll have to a) tell us what they actually plan to do and b) find a way to get the message out.

mrussel1 · March 5

OnWis97 said:

If things go as badly as they could, it'll matter but probably not as much as it would have 20 years ago. The performative outrage from the people Amagacans listen to will just turn out more nonsense. This is also why Elon said things would be bad for a while. By the way, Elon is going to pour staggering amounts of money into elections in 2026.

The Democrats will have to do more than "told you so." They'll have to a) tell us what they actually plan to do and b) find a way to get the message out.

Agree that he will pour money into the election. But I"m not sure how much of a game changing set of plans that a congressional candidate will need to articulate. If the economy is bad, and if he goes through with the tariffs, it will be, then the argument is that "I'll be check on the president. Look at what the rubber stamp bought you". Maybe I am being too hopeful, but I don't doubt Trump's ability to fuck something up. He always has, especially when his hubris is at 10.

OnWis97 · March 5

I'd also love it if we didn't have to rely on economic disaster to find a way out of this nonsense. All the Project 2025 shit should really be enough. We're basically accepting that the Dems can only reach people that feel directly hurt by it.

jimjam1982 · March 5

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

Halifax2TheMax · March 5

You can’t fix stupid. Dems should just admit this is what the ‘Murican people want and let them and repubs own it. There won’t be free and “fair” elections in 2026, the courts aren’t going to stop any of it and the majority of ‘Muricans either like what they see, happy days are here again, or don’t give two flying fucks.

Turn out the lights, step back and watch the unmitigated disaster unfold. It’s too late.

mrussel1 · March 5

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

Hey, you may not know this so that's cool. None of us work for the DNC. So the fact that three people didn't come up with a plan to satisfy you doesn't exactly mean the DNC isn't thinking of something. Most of us are just tooling around here while we eat lunch and decompressing from work, not writing strategy for the party.

Gern Blansten · March 5

OnWis97 said:

I'd also love it if we didn't have to rely on economic disaster to find a way out of this nonsense. All the Project 2025 shit should really be enough. We're basically accepting that the Dems can only reach people that feel directly hurt by it.

I'm more concerned with Russian/pro trump propaganda in social media. The trump admin recently dialed back the monitoring of this.

That is likely what got him the election.

brianlux · March 5

Democratic lawmakers need to get tough. Holding up little paddles during the Felon's speech is not tough, it look-- it is-- weak.

Gern Blansten · March 5

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1: trump and Co are the ones constantly going on about fake news...not sure what that means
2: Doesn't happen
3: tried that...had a good bill and trump killed it...don't blame dems for that
4: makes no sense
5: agreed
6: more nonsense...AOC is very popular in her district
7: can't have any spending without taxes...but I agree that the dems should champion the lower and middle classes. Make income tax non-existent for them even more than now and increase the top rates

OnWis97 · March 5

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

Be MAGA light? The party is already centrist. This reads like the GOP has the moral high ground and if that's how you feel, isn't the best outcome for the Dems to keep floundering?

1. At first I thought you meant "stop spreading fake news," which would earn a huge LOL, given that fake news is responsible for MAGA domination. But maybe you meant stop complaining about fake news, which earns a small LOL. Fake news is real and it's spectacular. What I'd like is for the Dems to find a way to debunk it but that's probably not possible. Oh shit, I think I just saw a migrant caravan out my window.

2. That's more like left-wing social media participants. Calling everyone racist is not a part of the Dem platform (if they even have one)

3. Last time they tried to compromise on border control, the GOP stood in the way so things would get worse and help Trump win. Hard to compromise with such bad-faith actors.

4. (See #1 on fake news). Nobody's putting foreigners first...well the Dems are not anyway. They've said "America First" so much that your suspicion should be triggered.

5. I've long thought that either party would get a bump if it came out hard for weed legalization. I'm not exactly sure why neither one has. The GOP likes weed offenders being locked up for inordinate amounts of time in private prisons. That all said, can it be legalized nationally or is this more state by state?

6. Nah. Vote out the do-nothings that sit in their cushy jobs seemingly oblivious to the gravity of what's going on. The quiet "voting the way I'd vote" nature of my rep (Betty McCollum) isn't doing much. The GOP is winning in large part because of (while this is in many ways a false equivalency) the MTGs of the party. They're loud and obnoxious and it's working. AOC care about regular working people far more than these assholes currently cheering on billionaire robber barons do. We need AOC types saying "look; these people are stealing from you. Elon just killed a federal agency with an actual great success record of protecting people like you from people like him. We also need leadership who's been laughed at for having been a bartender or a community organizer instead of a birthright billionaire."

7. The majority of Americans DO want taxes (maybe not as high). Reduced spending? Sure but it's basically a platitude. The challenging part of leadership here is conveying the message that you can't slash spending overnight (though President Musk might be making that an easier message to send).

None of this is to say that the Dems know what they are going or are equal to the task. But being MAGA light isn't the way.

HughFreakingDillon · March 5

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1. Um…WHAT.

Most of this post is garbage, but the dems are always in a tough spot whrn it comes to taxes vs services.

“R’s cut everything, including taxes on the rich, you need to fix this!”.

“Ok, then we’ll tax the rich”
”THAT’S NOT FAIR. THEY EARNED THAT MONEY FAIR AND SQUARE”
”alright, then we’ll tax you”
”WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEM PARTY??”

Gern Blansten · March 5

HughFreakingDillon said:

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1. Um…WHAT.

Most of this post is garbage, but the dems are always in a tough spot whrn it comes to taxes vs services.

“R’s cut everything, including taxes on the rich, you need to fix this!”.
“Ok, then we’ll tax the rich”
”THAT’S NOT FAIR. THEY EARNED THAT MONEY FAIR AND SQUARE”
”alright, then we’ll tax you”
”WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEM PARTY??”

I can't tell you how many times I've had this argument with my magat sister in law. She is just totally opposed to billionaires paying more tax because "they work hard for their money."

Bentleyspop · March 5

HughFreakingDillon said:

jimjam1982 said:

So no plan?

Here's a starting point:

1) dial back fake news rhetoric
2) dial back on calling everyone a racist
3) compromise on items like border control and foreign aid
4) acknowledge americans as real people that you care about instead of putting foreigners first
5) legalize weed - pretty sure they could have passed this when biden was in office - missed opp.
6) Kick AOC and her cronies out of the party - banish them
7) Understand the majority of americans don't want taxes and want reduced spending

You can still be the democratic party and for the people and improve things like plans to pass laws that people want like womens rights and gun control, but they need to compromise on the other areas of the ultra left agenda and be come centrists.

1. Um…WHAT.

Most of this post is garbage, but the dems are always in a tough spot whrn it comes to taxes vs services.

“R’s cut everything, including taxes on the rich, you need to fix this!”.
“Ok, then we’ll tax the rich”
”THAT’S NOT FAIR. THEY EARNED THAT MONEY FAIR AND SQUARE”
”alright, then we’ll tax you”
”WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEM PARTY??”

retRUmplican voters always vote against their best interests.
Especially when it comes to taxing, or not taxing, the richest among us.

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