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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,368
    Here's @MarcoRubio in 2014 explaining how the U.S. promised to defend Ukraine forever if they got rid of their nuclear arsenal after the Soviet Union collapsed:
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  • mickeyrat
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    You may not know this. And if you don't and think Zelensky needs to bow to the fat man, know that WE AGREED TO PROTECT UKRAINE IF THEY GAVE UP THIER NUKES. They did in 94. Trump blew the deal. No one in the world will trust America again.  To @katyturnbc @Nicolewallacenbc @josediazgulart and every other corporate shill who keeps avoiding this fact... do your jobs


    On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, United Kingdom, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. We wont be trusted worldwide, for decades. Good game idiots
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  • mickeyrat
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    Former President of Poland Lech Walesa wrote the following letter to Trump.

    Your Excellency, Mr. President,
    We watched the report of your conversation with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, with fear and distaste. We find it insulting that you expect Ukraine to show respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States in its fight against russia. 1/9
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  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,373
    mickeyrat said:
    You may not know this. And if you don't and think Zelensky needs to bow to the fat man, know that WE AGREED TO PROTECT UKRAINE IF THEY GAVE UP THIER NUKES. They did in 94. Trump blew the deal. No one in the world will trust America again.  To @katyturnbc @Nicolewallacenbc @josediazgulart and every other corporate shill who keeps avoiding this fact... do your jobs


    On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, United Kingdom, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. We wont be trusted worldwide, for decades. Good game idiots
    Bingo, and now Zelensky is being told to just trust Putin and trust Trump without any security guarantees. Give up your rare minerals for nothing. I knew Putin had Trump on a leash but I never expected they would be so open about it. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,023
    mickeyrat said:

    Former President of Poland Lech Walesa wrote the following letter to Trump.

    Your Excellency, Mr. President,
    We watched the report of your conversation with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, with fear and distaste. We find it insulting that you expect Ukraine to show respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States in its fight against russia. 1/9
    Lech is a hero too.  He's a brave man who fought for his country and its freedom.  He didn't lay down.  His lieutenants didn't lay down even when the KGB kidnapped a little baby in the middle of the night to force a lieutenant out of hiding.  They weren't Vichy.  
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    The premeditated theater, or rather great TV, of that meeting was meant to set this act up. That, along with all the pundits backing the nonsense that Zalensky was the bad guy in the room.

    Zalensky more or less walked into a trap. Meanwhile, the other Vlad, the one that we love for being so unwoke, is probably laughing maniacally. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,312
    War over yet? Doesn’t appear to be.

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  • BF25394
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    shadowcast said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Watching more, wtf was Zelinsky thinking trying to insinuate war and the pain of it was coming to the USA?  It's probably tough to keep your cool with trump and JD Asshat but damn what a dumb statement.

    While of course trump is wrong about so many things, him replying to that was pretty dead on reality.
    He's a puppet & he was put in place by the US. They are not having elections because they know he would be voted out. Also free speech is a bit dicey there as well. 

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/ukraine-parliament-affirms-elections-wartime-rebuff-trump/story?id=116193627


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-helps-pro-ukraine-media-run-a-fog-machine-of-war/ar-AA1nFqzb

    They are not having an election because they are under martial law, and there is no way to have a fair election with the eastern provinces (and Crimea) under occupation, with countless people in exile and with tens of thousands of soldiers on the front lines.
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  • BF25394
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    shadowcast said:
    I am in disbelief of how 95% of this fanbase has become pro war. You all fell for the propaganda. We forced Ukraine to do our dirty work. This is like the middle east wars except now we are using the people of Ukraine. I cannot believe most of you want US boots on the ground to turn this into WW3. You should all be embarrassed. 
    "Most of us" want U.S. boots on the ground? Have you taken a poll? I don't want U.S. boots on the ground.

    I am not pro-war. Russia created this situation. "Forced Ukraine to do our dirty work"? Trump literally tried to force Ukraine to do his personal political dirty work when he asked Zelenskyy to dig up dirt on Biden. Zelenskyy refused, and now Trump's personal grievance is leading him to side with a murderous dictator who invaded a sovereign country and who would like nothing more than to see the U.S. and its alliances collapse. Trump is enacting Putin's agenda, and you're blaming Ukraine?!
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,355
    I’m shocked how 90% of republicans bend the knee to Putin under the guise of wAr Is BaD at best or being suckered by Russian PsyOps at worst. 
  • mickeyrat
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    Ukrainian doctors confirm there has NOT been a SINGLE CASE of bone spurs reported in ALL OF UKRAINE 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
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  • mickeyrat
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    video.....


    In all my time in British politics, which spans six governments of all colours, I have never seen our Parliament united like this. An absolutely extraordinary display of support for Ukraine and our Prime Minister’s response. Trump, Vance and Putin have no idea what they’ve done. 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇦
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  • mickeyrat
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    video.....


    NASHVILLE: At an anti-Trump anti-Elon pro-Democracy rally, an ex-Marine who’s been to Ukraine 8 times since the war started explains why 🇺🇸 abandoning our allies and siding with Putin hurts our standing in the world — and makes everyone less safe.
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  • mrussel1
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    mickeyrat said:
    video.....


    In all my time in British politics, which spans six governments of all colours, I have never seen our Parliament united like this. An absolutely extraordinary display of support for Ukraine and our Prime Minister’s response. Trump, Vance and Putin have no idea what they’ve done. 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇦
    Wonderful to see.  

    Of course, if you are a Putin apologist that is hanging out on 10C boards, you might think the entire British gov't and Parliament has been brainwashed by the Liz Cheney and the war mongers.  But then you would be a fool.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,995
    shadowcast said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nato should throw us out, accept ukraine, and then go wipe putin off of the map. 
    Amen. I think what we need is a fucking thorough ass kicking.
    Psssst.......just a quick FYI.....Russia has nukes.....this wasn't well thought out.
    so you think russia will nuke all of the nato countries?

    your post was not well thought out.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    shadowcast said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nato should throw us out, accept ukraine, and then go wipe putin off of the map. 
    Amen. I think what we need is a fucking thorough ass kicking.
    Psssst.......just a quick FYI.....Russia has nukes.....this wasn't well thought out.
    so you think russia will nuke all of the nato countries?

    your post was not well thought out.
    his VPOTUS also just mocked countries that apparently "haven't fought in a war in 30 or 40 years". I guess he knows who the war hawks are now. 
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  • BF25394
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    shadowcast said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    nato should throw us out, accept ukraine, and then go wipe putin off of the map. 
    Amen. I think what we need is a fucking thorough ass kicking.
    Psssst.......just a quick FYI.....Russia has nukes.....this wasn't well thought out.
    so you think russia will nuke all of the nato countries?

    your post was not well thought out.
    his VPOTUS also just mocked countries that apparently "haven't fought in a war in 30 or 40 years". I guess he knows who the war hawks are now. 
    Many of the countries he's referring to participated in the war in Afghanistan that ended less than four years ago. They did so because we invoked the collective self-defense provision of Article 5 of the NATO charter. They literally came to our defense.

    Trump doesn't know any better, but Vance certainly does. He's just pathetic.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Is the war over yet? COOTWH stopped all aid and intelligence sharing so I figured the Ukrainians would have capitulated as soon as the orange buffoon shut his yap last night.
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  • dasvidana
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    shadowcast said:
    I am in disbelief of how 95% of this fanbase has become pro war. You all fell for the propaganda. We forced Ukraine to do our dirty work. This is like the middle east wars except now we are using the people of Ukraine. I cannot believe most of you want US boots on the ground to turn this into WW3. You should all be embarrassed. 
    You should be embarrassed that you're spewing Kremlin talking points. Want peace? Tell your buddy, Vlad, to get the fuck out of Ukraine. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,715
    It's kinda depressing to know that the only alternative to Russian imperialism is World War III.
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