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  • THEBIBLEISTENTHEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 1,986
    RP123663 said:
    Is this the same band that claimed to be for the fans, but every action they took was to help monopolize the system and cater to the bots and scalpers?  Gotcha
    I guess you didn’t get tickets? Your post shows who you are. No need to reply. Educate yourself, you might actually say something of value. 
  • THEBIBLEISTENTHEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 1,986
    PJINFLA said:
    You are the clueless one.
    I'm well aware of when this lp was available. The point so you can understand was that it was alright for the band to make a profit by forcing their fans to Target to buy an exclusive item but now they are telling the fans to boycott Target after they have made their money.
    Sounds pretty hypocritical to me!



    They have tissues there too, sounds like you might need one. 
  • DM282158DM282158 Beverly, MA Posts: 629
    brianlux said:

    Interesting perspective that make sense, BF.  Thanks.
    My earlier interesting in rock music came at a time when even in our teens, the music we loved was also often the voice of things that mattered a lot to us.  Songs like Crosby, Still, Nash, and Young's "Ohio", Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth", Otis Redding's "Respect" (later rearranged by Aretha Franklin), Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son", Bob Dylan's "Masters of War", and Phil Ochs' "I Ain't Marching Any More" (and many, many more), mattered to us and still resonate all these years later. 
    It's also worth nothing that a lot of those songs were seeds that germinated more contemporary bands like Pearl Jam, Drive-By Truckers, Radiohead, Muse, and Sleater-Kinney. 
    But a lot of people do change and become more conservative as they age.  Even a lot of so-called "boomers" did.  Which is why I like Neil Young's line, "People my age, they don't do the things I do" and "Better to burn out than to fade away/ rust." Not me, baby.



    Very intuitive and interesting takes (seriously). I’ve always felt the similarities between 60s rock n roll and 90s rock n roll (and music all around I’d say. Damn is the old school hip-hop amazing) was how they were cultural revolutions. Rebellion, angst, courage to express oneself, etc. Whether it be juxtapose to the strictness of society (religious, etc.), coming of age generational angst where finally someone says “fuck you”. It finally all came out. 

    I feel like it came out in the most genuine form of art ever heard. You could just feel it. “Something in the water” as they say. 
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,914
    RP123663 said:
    You know who got a much, much better opportunity?  The bots and the scalpers.  You have to be slow to not see the b.s. that is currently happening.  You keep focusing on the TENS of people who ORIGINALLY get an opportunity to get tickets.  However, you fail to see anything past that.  The system is set up for the bots and scalpers to spike the price point and fuck over the fan base. Stop boot licking and be honest for once. Yay, you got tickets to a show.  Awesome. The rest of the arena was monopolized and the fan base was fucked over. 
    Keep moving the goalposts. "The system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value." That's what you said, and it's false. The system enables thousands-- perhaps tens of thousands-- of fan club members to secure tickets before they go on sale to the general public, and at face value. The system ensures that a significant portion of the best seats in the house are set aside for fan club members, something that wouldn't happen if Pearl Jam didn't insist on it. I'm not licking anyone's boots, and I'm never anything but honest. You, on the other hand, are a sucker paying annual dues to belong to the fan club of a band that you think is corrupt and hates its fans. And you're miserable. I actually have empathy for you because it cannot be hard going through life being miserable because you think that everything is rigged against you, including a band that you ostensibly love and that has gone out of its way for over 30 years to be good to its fans.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,914
    Get_Right said:

    Yeah maybe, but not in the northeast. GA is great if that is want you want. Maybe you have a five digit number and they stick you in the back of the floor? Seats at the back of the floor are not the best seats in the house and those were assigned more than usual from what I could tell. All I know is my seats have been farther back than prior tours. I was put in the 200s for MSG, far worse than prior years when I would get those same great side seats you mention. They may get a good allotment of tickets, but they are spread out more so TM can sell premiums. I am not wrong.
    The Ten Club gets the GA section. These are the most high-demand tickets. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the side of the stage that are closest to the stage. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the floor right behind GA. I know this because I was given seats in all of those locations for shows in 2024 through the Ten Club lottery. So it's just not true to say that the Ten Club "does not get the best seats anymore." They are still getting the lion's share of the best seats.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,893
    BF25394 said:
    The Ten Club gets the GA section. These are the most high-demand tickets. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the side of the stage that are closest to the stage. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the floor right behind GA. I know this because I was given seats in all of those locations for shows in 2024 through the Ten Club lottery. So it's just not true to say that the Ten Club "does not get the best seats anymore." They are still getting the lion's share of the best seats.
    BF25394 said:
    The Ten Club gets the GA section. These are the most high-demand tickets. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the side of the stage that are closest to the stage. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the floor right behind GA. I know this because I was given seats in all of those locations for shows in 2024 through the Ten Club lottery. So it's just not true to say that the Ten Club "does not get the best seats anymore." They are still getting the lion's share of the best seats.

    Agree on GA. But otherwise not as many as they used to. At least in the northeast. The last northeast tour the best side sections were not 10C seats.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,893
    Sorry for the double quote.
  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 7,184
    TW154999 said:
    Does this include boycotting bands that charge excessive amounts for tickets? Plenty of small local bands around.

    Do excessive amounts include bands that charge upwards of $300 or even $800 for packages of which it's the only way into the first 4-5 rows?
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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 7,184
    Tjm007 said:
    Ah to be in the comfortable position to afford these luxury opinions to virtue signal to the plebs. 

    Pearl Jam have badly lost the plot,

    Yet you're still here.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,231
    DM282158 said:
    Very intuitive and interesting takes (seriously). I’ve always felt the similarities between 60s rock n roll and 90s rock n roll (and music all around I’d say. Damn is the old school hip-hop amazing) was how they were cultural revolutions. Rebellion, angst, courage to express oneself, etc. Whether it be juxtapose to the strictness of society (religious, etc.), coming of age generational angst where finally someone says “fuck you”. It finally all came out. 

    I feel like it came out in the most genuine form of art ever heard. You could just feel it. “Something in the water” as they say. 

    Well said, DM.  Yeah, the connection is strong, despite my major typo in saying "It's also worth nothing" when I meant to type "It's also worth noting"!  Ouch, lol!
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  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 188
    BF25394 said:
    Keep moving the goalposts. "The system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value." That's what you said, and it's false. The system enables thousands-- perhaps tens of thousands-- of fan club members to secure tickets before they go on sale to the general public, and at face value. The system ensures that a significant portion of the best seats in the house are set aside for fan club members, something that wouldn't happen if Pearl Jam didn't insist on it. I'm not licking anyone's boots, and I'm never anything but honest. You, on the other hand, are a sucker paying annual dues to belong to the fan club of a band that you think is corrupt and hates its fans. And you're miserable. I actually have empathy for you because it cannot be hard going through life being miserable because you think that everything is rigged against you, including a band that you ostensibly love and that has gone out of its way for over 30 years to be good to its fans.
    What I wrote was 100% true.  You are just incapable of saying anything remotely critical about the band or the system.  You're a common boot licker and the world needs those at times.  If you put in for tickets and don't strike out, you cannot resell them for a profit or risk being "punished".  However, if you sell those same tickets at face value, there is a 99% chance they get scooped up by a bot and resold on the scalper sites for a much, much higher price.  That is a fact, and if you stopped ball washing for a minute and admit that, you wouldn't feel the need to be the band's personal defender.  

    Events are events. Prices are based on supply and demand.  If you buy a ticket for $200 and cannot make it, you should be able to sell it for whatever the market dictates.  Why are the bots the only ones allowed to profit when the 10c members already pay a yearly donation to the band just for the OPPORTUNITY to BUY tickets?  
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 188
    The thing that really grinds my gears is that after 30+ years, this is the most creative system they could come up with? 

    If you actually wanted to do the 10c members a solid, and wanted to ensure that 10c members didn't resell their tickets for a profit, then why not just do this?...

    You enter the 10c drawing for a show.  You get lucky and obtain tickets.  Something comes up and you cannot go.  You are allowed to return your tickets for a refund.  Those same tickets are awarded randomly to another 10c member who originally put in for that show.  If they no longer want to go to that show, they put them back in the pool until ALL of the tickets allotted for 10c members are in the hands of 10c members.  

    At this point, it doesn't even seem like half of the 10c tickets end up in the hands of 10c members.  So, this current system doesn't really work in any way.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,893
    RP123663 said:
    The thing that really grinds my gears is that after 30+ years, this is the most creative system they could come up with? 

    If you actually wanted to do the 10c members a solid, and wanted to ensure that 10c members didn't resell their tickets for a profit, then why not just do this?...

    You enter the 10c drawing for a show.  You get lucky and obtain tickets.  Something comes up and you cannot go.  You are allowed to return your tickets for a refund.  Those same tickets are awarded randomly to another 10c member who originally put in for that show.  If they no longer want to go to that show, they put them back in the pool until ALL of the tickets allotted for 10c members are in the hands of 10c members.  

    At this point, it doesn't even seem like half of the 10c tickets end up in the hands of 10c members.  So, this current system doesn't really work in any way.


    You are asking for 10C managerial oversight. That is long gone, costs money, and is not how the TM business model is designed. It is all automated. If you win the lottery and want to sell F2F then you put yourself in the TM system. Which means bots and resellers. Do not buy if you cannot go. 
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 188
    Get_Right said:


    You are asking for 10C managerial oversight. That is long gone, costs money, and is not how the TM business model is designed. It is all automated. If you win the lottery and want to sell F2F then you put yourself in the TM system. Which means bots and resellers. Do not buy if you cannot go. 
    It would still be automated and would take exactly no more management or resources.  Nobody would have to track people who are scalping their tickets.  In fact it would be much easier and cheaper to manage than the current, mindless system.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,052
    RP123663 said:
    This may be the dumbest, laziest comment I have ever read.  Holy hell
    This says much more about you, than me. 
  • kmcmanuskmcmanus Posts: 875
    edited March 2
    Get_Right said:

    Yeah maybe, but not in the northeast. GA is great if that is want you want. Maybe you have a five digit number and they stick you in the back of the floor? Seats at the back of the floor are not the best seats in the house and those were assigned more than usual from what I could tell. All I know is my seats have been farther back than prior tours. I was put in the 200s for MSG, far worse than prior years when I would get those same great side seats you mention. They may get a good allotment of tickets, but they are spread out more so TM can sell premiums. I am not wrong.
    MSG had very specific tiers to choose from, if you were in the 200’s, it’s because you checked the box that said you would accept those tickets. Signed, someone who was also in the 200’s for MSG and was honestly glad to get in the building. 
    PS- the only system that will fix Northeast ticketing is more NE shows. The demand is higher than the volume of available seats. This system is by no means perfect but the NE supply and demand is a separate issue.
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  • kmcmanuskmcmanus Posts: 875
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    Deleted accidental double post
    Post edited by kmcmanus on
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,332
    RP123663 said:
    It would still be automated and would take exactly no more management or resources.  Nobody would have to track people who are scalping their tickets.  In fact it would be much easier and cheaper to manage than the current, mindless system.
    This is exactly how the Newport Folk Fest handles it through Dice. I don't know if a band of Pearl Jam's size can or would use them for ticketing and also can't imagine TM has an appetite for that sort of setup.

    Also, it works well for the Folk Fest because it's all GA. Managing a queued waiitlist when there will be a wide variance in the quality of seats being thrown back could be tricky.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,231
    Wow, the personal attacks here!  This place is competing with AMT for the Nasty Corner of the Pearl Jam Community Pages award.
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  • PJINFLAPJINFLA Posts: 833
    tbergs said:
    Your last sentence is laughable, but ok, good burn man. Since they are in support of efforts to limit environmental impact they should also never travel and cease to exist to minimize their carbon footprint. Pretty sure you know how it works, but you're whining because they don't 100% disconnect from parts of our way of living that are also negative. With that type of thinking it's no wonder shit is so fucked up these days. If you can't go all in, why go in at all, right? Fuck the world and everyone who isn't fortunate to be you who for some reason pays a membership to a band forum they seem to loathe.

    Also, The current "king" of do as I say, not as I do is the sitting president, but do go on. Are you part of the new USSR (United States Sympathizers of Russia)?
    Enjoy the next 3 years and 46 weeks!
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,216
    brianlux said:
    Wow, the personal attacks here!  This place is competing with AMT for the Nasty Corner of the Pearl Jam Community Pages award.
    This is the America of today Brian.

    Just look at all the people who post on here claiming to be PJ fans while they support and vote for everything PJ is against. Not to mention all the whining about everything PJ does or says. 

    First  world entitlement problems.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,332
    This is the America of today Brian.

    Just look at all the people who post on here claiming to be PJ fans while they support and vote for everything PJ is against. Not to mention all the whining about everything PJ does or says. 

    First  world entitlement problems.
    This describes a relationship to an artist that is completely foreign to me and, I suspect, many, many others
  • DM282158DM282158 Beverly, MA Posts: 629
    pjl44 said:

    Bravo. And spot on. 

    I learned during COVID to not get so worked up about what people thought or what their opinions and perspectives were. Took a long time. But I’ve applied it to other areas of common disagreements in society. 

    (Disclosure: I owned a gym at the time, so needless to say - I wasn’t exactly thrilled with lockdowns, etc. and felt damn strongly about it). 

    I’ve said for many years “I’m not going to change your mind”, so why bother getting worked up about it. I’m also never surprised at anything related to politics, etc. I don’t get worked up over the extremes the least bit. I have many close friends on either side of the political aisle. I love them dearly and have enjoyed countless productive and constructive conversations over the years. (FYI - the best way to learn why people vote or think a certain way is to talk to them, not abandon and shun them. Common ground and common understanding is found quickly by my experience). 

    …. To not beat around the bush - ask a Trump voter why he or she voted for him. There’s lots to learn and understand. (And, no, I never voted for him.). 

    It made for a lot less heightened blood pressure that’s for sure. 
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,893
    RP123663 said:
    It would still be automated and would take exactly no more management or resources.  Nobody would have to track people who are scalping their tickets.  In fact it would be much easier and cheaper to manage than the current, mindless system.

    Agree to disagree. TM does not manage 10C members. And they might make more money in fees with the current system. There is no incentive for them to make sure the tickets end up in the hands of 10C members at face value. Do not buy if you cannot go. Make them non-transferable. People would be less inclined to spend $500 if they knew they might get stuck with them.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,893
    edited March 2
    kmcmanus said:
    MSG had very specific tiers to choose from, if you were in the 200’s, it’s because you checked the box that said you would accept those tickets. Signed, someone who was also in the 200’s for MSG and was honestly glad to get in the building. 
    PS- the only system that will fix Northeast ticketing is more NE shows. The demand is higher than the volume of available seats. This system is by no means perfect but the NE supply and demand is a separate issue.

    You are right. I forgot about that. I did pick P2. I think that may have helped getting tickets.
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,914
    RP123663 said:
    What I wrote was 100% true.  You are just incapable of saying anything remotely critical about the band or the system.  You're a common boot licker and the world needs those at times.  If you put in for tickets and don't strike out, you cannot resell them for a profit or risk being "punished".  However, if you sell those same tickets at face value, there is a 99% chance they get scooped up by a bot and resold on the scalper sites for a much, much higher price.  That is a fact, and if you stopped ball washing for a minute and admit that, you wouldn't feel the need to be the band's personal defender.  

    Events are events. Prices are based on supply and demand.  If you buy a ticket for $200 and cannot make it, you should be able to sell it for whatever the market dictates.  Why are the bots the only ones allowed to profit when the 10c members already pay a yearly donation to the band just for the OPPORTUNITY to BUY tickets?  
    More falsehoods. I have been critical of the band on this message board. See, for example, discussions of the handling of the annual single. As far as the system is concerned, sometimes I have had great luck within it (e.g., 2024). Other times, I have not had great luck within it (e.g., 2022). I haven't had an issue with it either time. It's a lottery, and I'm not entitled to anything except the chance to participate in it. I recognize that this system has enabled me to get excellent tickets to see this band dozens of times over the years without paying a premium, including eight times at Madison Square Garden, one of the locations for which the system is supposedly especially corrupt. I appreciate the access I have had. I have no basis for complaint.  

    And more goalpost shifting. Your statement at issue was, again: "The system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value." That is false. The system allows Ten Club members-- tens of thousands of them-- an opportunity to purchase premium seats at face value before the general public. I could list other benefits of the system for Ten Club members, but I don't need to because that one thing is enough to demonstrate the falsity of your claim.

    I have no problem with people who are critical of the band. No one is perfect, including the band and including me. But I do have a problem with people who come into this space populated by Pearl Jam fans and insist that the band is corrupt or, contrary to their decades of behavior, that they don't give a shit about their fans. Neither of those things are true, but your comments clearly indicate that you believe they are, which again leads to the question: why are you paying these corrupt people for the right to belong to this club? You can't even say that you keep up your membership so that you don't lose the opportunity to get tickets to their shows, because you insist that membership doesn't even provide that.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • Jimmydean55Jimmydean55 Posts: 1,501
    Why come here to rage against something you think is dumb? Just…move along. It’s one day. 

    What do you people do when you hear a song on the radio you don’t like? Just sit there and seethe with rage? Turn the channel…FFS. 
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 188
    Get_Right said:

    Agree to disagree. TM does not manage 10C members. And they might make more money in fees with the current system. There is no incentive for them to make sure the tickets end up in the hands of 10C members at face value. Do not buy if you cannot go. Make them non-transferable. People would be less inclined to spend $500 if they knew they might get stuck with them.
    Are you kidding me?  Life happens.  Tickets go on sale sometimes a year or more before the show. Have you never had anything come up where you had to cancel?  I'm not talking about the common street whore that TM is and PJ is in bed with. I'm talking about a simple process of re-pooling the 10c lottery. It's so simple a dumb cave man could do it. 
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 188
    BF25394 said:
    More falsehoods. I have been critical of the band on this message board. See, for example, discussions of the handling of the annual single. As far as the system is concerned, sometimes I have had great luck within it (e.g., 2024). Other times, I have not had great luck within it (e.g., 2022). I haven't had an issue with it either time. It's a lottery, and I'm not entitled to anything except the chance to participate in it. I recognize that this system has enabled me to get excellent tickets to see this band dozens of times over the years without paying a premium, including eight times at Madison Square Garden, one of the locations for which the system is supposedly especially corrupt. I appreciate the access I have had. I have no basis for complaint.  

    And more goalpost shifting. Your statement at issue was, again: "The system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value." That is false. The system allows Ten Club members-- tens of thousands of them-- an opportunity to purchase premium seats at face value before the general public. I could list other benefits of the system for Ten Club members, but I don't need to because that one thing is enough to demonstrate the falsity of your claim.

    I have no problem with people who are critical of the band. No one is perfect, including the band and including me. But I do have a problem with people who come into this space populated by Pearl Jam fans and insist that the band is corrupt or, contrary to their decades of behavior, that they don't give a shit about their fans. Neither of those things are true, but your comments clearly indicate that you believe they are, which again leads to the question: why are you paying these corrupt people for the right to belong to this club? You can't even say that you keep up your membership so that you don't lose the opportunity to get tickets to their shows, because you insist that membership doesn't even provide that.
    All you do is boot lick and defend a corrupt system that caters to bots and scalpers.  You're on the wrong team, kid.
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