24-Hour Economic Blackout

BF25394

Tim Simmons said:

RP123663 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

RP123663 said:

Sea said:

24-Hour Economic Blackout

News February 27 2025

In support of the 24-Hour Economic Blackout, Pearl Jam is closing the Ten Club Shop on February 28th.

For more info on how to participate in the blackout visit thepeoplesunionusa.com.

Designed by Martha Rich.

This is the dumbest, most useless thing ever.  How about someone focuses on the idiotic ticket process that is nothing but a bullshit scam?

Some people only care about themselves. Yeah, the ticket process is a major issue, click a few buttons. Real difficult. 

Get real.  Boycotting things for a few minutes doesn't come close to moving the needle.  Meanwhile PJ and TM are in bed together completely raping the fan base and they want to play this holier than thou card?  So lame.  

To be clear, you are saying don’t use your time to draw attention to one thing that is bad, use your time and attention on another thing that is bad? 

To be even clearer, he is saying: don't use your time to draw attention to major, systemic problems that threaten the very future of the country and our freedoms within it; instead, use your time and attention on a system that people use to access entertainment products.*

* A system that, whatever its flaws, still manages to ensure that thousands of the best seats in every arena are set aside for the band's fan club members-- a fact that completely undermines his assertion that "every action [Pearl Jam] took was to help monopolize the system and cater to the bots and scalpers."

RP123663

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

RP123663 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

RP123663 said:

Sea said:

24-Hour Economic Blackout

News February 27 2025

In support of the 24-Hour Economic Blackout, Pearl Jam is closing the Ten Club Shop on February 28th.

For more info on how to participate in the blackout visit thepeoplesunionusa.com.

Designed by Martha Rich.

This is the dumbest, most useless thing ever.  How about someone focuses on the idiotic ticket process that is nothing but a bullshit scam?

Some people only care about themselves. Yeah, the ticket process is a major issue, click a few buttons. Real difficult. 

Get real.  Boycotting things for a few minutes doesn't come close to moving the needle.  Meanwhile PJ and TM are in bed together completely raping the fan base and they want to play this holier than thou card?  So lame.  

To be clear, you are saying don’t use your time to draw attention to one thing that is bad, use your time and attention on another thing that is bad? 

To be even clearer, he is saying: don't use your time to draw attention to major, systemic problems that threaten the very future of the country and our freedoms within it; instead, use your time and attention on a system that people use to access entertainment products.*

* A system that, whatever its flaws, still manages to ensure that thousands of the best seats in every arena are set aside for the band's fan club members-- a fact that completely undermines his assertion that "every action [Pearl Jam] took was to help monopolize the system and cater to the bots and scalpers."

Cool fake story.  Let me know when Target and Amazon go under next week.  You know, Target.  The store PJ partnered with?  I'll wait here.

BTW, the system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value.  Instead, something comes up and they have to sell, but no other fans are allowed to get them at face value.  Nope, the bots are pushed to the front of the line and within seconds, resell them for up to 10x face value while your band does..................absolutely nothing about it.  Those are facts.  So, anyway, make sure you use cash when you pay $1200 for a nosebleed seat to Raleigh.  That'll show em.

Get_Right

The 10C does not get the best seats anymore. Do not hate the players, hate the game. The DOJ approved the ticketmaster live nation merger. That never should have happened. I cannot blame TM for taking advantage of its competitive position to earn more profit. That is economics 101. IMHO the problem is the broken system that allowed it to happen.  

brianlux

BF25394 said:

brianlux said:

Reading through this thread leaves me wondering how it is that so many Pearl Jam fans have turned away from or even against a lot of what (besides making great music, of course), this band has stood up for over the years.  And why all the nasty attacks on a boycott that was voluntary?  No one forced all these haters to do one single thing.  And why slam those of us who participated?  So much hate, and to see it on this pages is hugely disappointing. 

Rock fans, including Pearl Jam fans, disproportionately belong to certain demographics that are more likely to be unsympathetic to the causes that Pearl Jam champions. This tension has existed for a long time.

Yeah, I suppose.  It just seems odd to me that Pearl Jam fans would fit that group, but then I've seen the same with bands like Jello Biafra's fans.  Many stand with his perspective on things, but a many also seem to hate the things he stands up for.  Makes no sense to me. 

RP123663 said:

brianlux said:

Reading through this thread leaves me wondering how it is that so many Pearl Jam fans have turned away from or even against a lot of what (besides making great music, of course), this band has stood up for over the years.  And why all the nasty attacks on a boycott that was voluntary?  No one forced all these haters to do one single thing.  And why slam those of us who participated?  So much hate, and to see it on this pages is hugely disappointing. 

It's because if you have been paying attention, the band hasn't been standing up for anything.  Actions speak louder than words.  Saying you are against the monopolization and then participating in the monopoly is not standing against shit.  Seeking attention is different than actually doing something about an issue.

I wouldn't assume all the things the band does fit in the same bag.  This one was a good call.

Tim Simmons

Get_Right said:

The 10C does not get the best seats anymore. Do not hate the players, hate the game. The DOJ approved the ticketmaster live nation merger. That never should have happened. I cannot blame TM for taking advantage of its competitive position to earn more profit. That is economics 101. IMHO the problem is the broken system that allowed it to happen.  

I’d argue 10c gets the best ticket, but they can’t accommodate everyone in the club having the best seats so there are bunk seats too (I mean, it is all a balance with TMs sales as well). 

Tim Simmons

RP123663 said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

RP123663 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

RP123663 said:

Sea said:

24-Hour Economic Blackout

News February 27 2025

In support of the 24-Hour Economic Blackout, Pearl Jam is closing the Ten Club Shop on February 28th.

For more info on how to participate in the blackout visit thepeoplesunionusa.com.

Designed by Martha Rich.

This is the dumbest, most useless thing ever.  How about someone focuses on the idiotic ticket process that is nothing but a bullshit scam?

Some people only care about themselves. Yeah, the ticket process is a major issue, click a few buttons. Real difficult. 

Get real.  Boycotting things for a few minutes doesn't come close to moving the needle.  Meanwhile PJ and TM are in bed together completely raping the fan base and they want to play this holier than thou card?  So lame.  

To be clear, you are saying don’t use your time to draw attention to one thing that is bad, use your time and attention on another thing that is bad? 

To be even clearer, he is saying: don't use your time to draw attention to major, systemic problems that threaten the very future of the country and our freedoms within it; instead, use your time and attention on a system that people use to access entertainment products.*

* A system that, whatever its flaws, still manages to ensure that thousands of the best seats in every arena are set aside for the band's fan club members-- a fact that completely undermines his assertion that "every action [Pearl Jam] took was to help monopolize the system and cater to the bots and scalpers."

Cool fake story.  Let me know when Target and Amazon go under next week.  You know, Target.  The store PJ partnered with?  I'll wait here.

BTW, the system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value.  Instead, something comes up and they have to sell, but no other fans are allowed to get them at face value.  Nope, the bots are pushed to the front of the line and within seconds, resell them for up to 10x face value while your band does..................absolutely nothing about it.  Those are facts.  So, anyway, make sure you use cash when you pay $1200 for a nosebleed seat to Raleigh.  That'll show em.

the cynicism is strong with this one. 

DM282158

I have zero knowledge of how it all works, but I’ve always sensed, when it comes to TM and tickets the last few tours - it sorta goes:

TM: We’ll give you more fan club seats than other bands are normally allocated. We’ll also agree to have resale prices locked (aside from NY and CO). (Yielding TM less revenue on resale percentage fees.). However, you need to agree to let us sell a portion as premium ticket pricing. 

10C: Deal. 

Not a bad give and take. But again, that’s just my interpretation. 

TM has monopolized the industry. No chance in playing venues over 1,000 seats without. 

Comcast is the only tv and internet option where I live. If I don’t use Comcast, I don’t have the internet. Sucks, but that’s what it is. It’d take government action to change it. Same as TM, albeit in a larger scale. 

RP123663

Tim Simmons said:

RP123663 said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

RP123663 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

RP123663 said:

Sea said:

24-Hour Economic Blackout

News February 27 2025

In support of the 24-Hour Economic Blackout, Pearl Jam is closing the Ten Club Shop on February 28th.

For more info on how to participate in the blackout visit thepeoplesunionusa.com.

Designed by Martha Rich.

This is the dumbest, most useless thing ever.  How about someone focuses on the idiotic ticket process that is nothing but a bullshit scam?

Some people only care about themselves. Yeah, the ticket process is a major issue, click a few buttons. Real difficult. 

Get real.  Boycotting things for a few minutes doesn't come close to moving the needle.  Meanwhile PJ and TM are in bed together completely raping the fan base and they want to play this holier than thou card?  So lame.  

To be clear, you are saying don’t use your time to draw attention to one thing that is bad, use your time and attention on another thing that is bad? 

To be even clearer, he is saying: don't use your time to draw attention to major, systemic problems that threaten the very future of the country and our freedoms within it; instead, use your time and attention on a system that people use to access entertainment products.*

* A system that, whatever its flaws, still manages to ensure that thousands of the best seats in every arena are set aside for the band's fan club members-- a fact that completely undermines his assertion that "every action [Pearl Jam] took was to help monopolize the system and cater to the bots and scalpers."

Cool fake story.  Let me know when Target and Amazon go under next week.  You know, Target.  The store PJ partnered with?  I'll wait here.

BTW, the system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value.  Instead, something comes up and they have to sell, but no other fans are allowed to get them at face value.  Nope, the bots are pushed to the front of the line and within seconds, resell them for up to 10x face value while your band does..................absolutely nothing about it.  Those are facts.  So, anyway, make sure you use cash when you pay $1200 for a nosebleed seat to Raleigh.  That'll show em.

the cynicism is strong with this one. 

You spelled "truth" wrong . Damn autocorrect

RP123663

I'll tell you one thing though.  If this 24 hour blackout doesn't change everything, they should do something completely unheard of.... A TWENTY-FIVE HOUR BLACKOUT!  Go big or go home.  

Tim Simmons

Tim Simmons

DM282158 said:

I have zero knowledge of how it all works, but I’ve always sensed, when it comes to TM and tickets the last few tours - it sorta goes:

TM: We’ll give you more fan club seats than other bands are normally allocated. We’ll also agree to have resale prices locked (aside from NY and CO). (Yielding TM less revenue on resale percentage fees.). However, you need to agree to let us sell a portion as premium ticket pricing. 

10C: Deal. 

thats most likely close to what it is. 

PJINFLA

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJINFLA said:

I guess Target is OK when the band needs to make a cash grab selling a limited edition item.

That’s been on sale for years. Good try though. Atleast we can weed out the clueless in this chain 

You are the clueless one.
I'm well aware of when this lp was available. The point so you can understand was that it was alright for the band to make a profit by forcing their fans to Target to buy an exclusive item but now they are telling the fans to boycott Target after they have made their money.
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me!

Get_Right

Tim Simmons said:

Get_Right said:

The 10C does not get the best seats anymore. Do not hate the players, hate the game. The DOJ approved the ticketmaster live nation merger. That never should have happened. I cannot blame TM for taking advantage of its competitive position to earn more profit. That is economics 101. IMHO the problem is the broken system that allowed it to happen.  

I’d argue 10c gets the best ticket, but they can’t accommodate everyone in the club having the best seats so there are bunk seats too (I mean, it is all a balance with TMs sales as well). 

It is not true anymore. 10C gets GA but after that, the seats are nowhere near as good as they used to be. I do think the percentage of tickets given to the 10C is above average, but the seat locations are not as good as they used to be. At least that is my experience.

100 Pacer

DM282158 said:

I have zero knowledge of how it all works, but I’ve always sensed, when it comes to TM and tickets the last few tours - it sorta goes:

TM: We’ll give you more fan club seats than other bands are normally allocated. We’ll also agree to have resale prices locked (aside from NY and CO). (Yielding TM less revenue on resale percentage fees.). However, you need to agree to let us sell a portion as premium ticket pricing. 

10C: Deal. 

Not a bad give and take. But again, that’s just my interpretation. 

Not exactly.

The band wants to tour and negotiates the production rights to LiveNation who then own the tour. The venue, having signed on with Ticketmaster, facilitates the production. Management negotiates the band’s fee with LiveNation and stipulates fan club access to a certain percentage of the house. LiveNation agrees to the band’s fee and stipulates premium ticket prices for a certain percentage of the venue. With no public on sale management can go ahead and request a larger fan club allocation and with no public on sale LiveNation can enjoy premium sales from the get go. The band can earn a set fee for playing a smaller run and take home a higher percentage by not shouldering the overhead. The band dictates what’s best for them and management works on behalf of the band to successfully execute their goals. 

Tim Simmons

But it does seem like that 10c has more than they used to, so I think that’s the trade off. 

Tim Simmons

PJINFLA said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJINFLA said:

I guess Target is OK when the band needs to make a cash grab selling a limited edition item.

That’s been on sale for years. Good try though. Atleast we can weed out the clueless in this chain 

You are the clueless one.
I'm well aware of when this lp was available. The point so you can understand was that it was alright for the band to make a profit by forcing their fans to Target to buy an exclusive item but now they are telling the fans to boycott Target after they have made their money.
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me!

Target wasn’t shitting on minorities in their hiring process back then (or at least acquiescing to smooth brain shareholders who want regressive policies because some white buys feel put out). So things change. 

Also, no one was forced to buy from Target (ten club sold them too. Twice I believe)

Bentleyspop

DM282158 said:

I have zero knowledge of how it all works, but I’ve always sensed, when it comes to TM and tickets the last few tours - it sorta goes:

TM: We’ll give you more fan club seats than other bands are normally allocated. We’ll also agree to have resale prices locked (aside from NY and CO). (Yielding TM less revenue on resale percentage fees.). However, you need to agree to let us sell a portion as premium ticket pricing. 

10C: Deal. 

Not a bad give and take. But again, that’s just my interpretation. 

TM has monopolized the industry. No chance in playing venues over 1,000 seats without. 

Comcast is the only tv and internet option where I live. If I don’t use Comcast, I don’t have the internet. Sucks, but that’s what it is. It’d take government action to change it. Same as TM, albeit in a larger scale. 

Not completely true.
Red Rocks doesnt use TM
Plenty of baseball stadiums dont use TM
Lots of college arenas and stadiums don't use TM
Etc etc

PJINFLA

Tim Simmons said:

PJINFLA said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJINFLA said:

I guess Target is OK when the band needs to make a cash grab selling a limited edition item.

That’s been on sale for years. Good try though. Atleast we can weed out the clueless in this chain 

You are the clueless one.
I'm well aware of when this lp was available. The point so you can understand was that it was alright for the band to make a profit by forcing their fans to Target to buy an exclusive item but now they are telling the fans to boycott Target after they have made their money.
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me!

Target wasn’t shitting on minorities in their hiring process back then (or at least acquiescing to smooth brain shareholders who want regressive policies because some white buys feel put out). So things change. 

Also, no one was forced to buy from Target (ten club sold them too. Twice I believe)

There is still PJ product being sold at Target. If their business practices are so awful why doesn't the band buy all their product back and boycott Target themselves. I think we know the answer. It's the Democrat mantra do as I say not as I do.

DM282158

100 Pacer said:

DM282158 said:

I have zero knowledge of how it all works, but I’ve always sensed, when it comes to TM and tickets the last few tours - it sorta goes:

TM: We’ll give you more fan club seats than other bands are normally allocated. We’ll also agree to have resale prices locked (aside from NY and CO). (Yielding TM less revenue on resale percentage fees.). However, you need to agree to let us sell a portion as premium ticket pricing. 

10C: Deal. 

Not a bad give and take. But again, that’s just my interpretation. 

Not exactly.

The band wants to tour and negotiates the production rights to LiveNation who then own the tour. The venue, having signed on with Ticketmaster, facilitates the production. Management negotiates the band’s fee with LiveNation and stipulates fan club access to a certain percentage of the house. LiveNation agrees to the band’s fee and stipulates premium ticket prices for a certain percentage of the venue. With no public on sale management can go ahead and request a larger fan club allocation and with no public on sale LiveNation can enjoy premium sales from the get go. The band can earn a set fee for playing a smaller run and take home a higher percentage by not shouldering the overhead. The band dictates what’s best for them and management works on behalf of the band to successfully execute their goals. 

Good stuff. The biz of the industry has always peaked my curiosity. 

We have an awesome local theater down the street (Cabot Theater, Beverly MA). I remember having coffee with one of the directors years back, and asked how Boston gets all the top comedians and what’d it take to get them 15 miles north. She said it’s because the promoter who gets all the comedians is, essentially, exclusive with Boston. I found it quite interesting, the business of it all. 

BF25394

Get_Right said:

The 10C does not get the best seats anymore. Do not hate the players, hate the game. The DOJ approved the ticketmaster live nation merger. That never should have happened. I cannot blame TM for taking advantage of its competitive position to earn more profit. That is economics 101. IMHO the problem is the broken system that allowed it to happen.  

I entered the Ten Club lottery for the shows in the spring of 2024. All of the tickets I got-- and I got tickets to every show I requested-- were either in the GA section, from one to ten rows on the floor behind the GA section, or in the first section on the side of the stage. So you're just wrong. The Ten Club still gets large numbers of the best seats in every arena, which is what I said.