24-Hour Economic Blackout

brianlux said:

BF25394 said:

brianlux said:

Reading through this thread leaves me wondering how it is that so many Pearl Jam fans have turned away from or even against a lot of what (besides making great music, of course), this band has stood up for over the years.  And why all the nasty attacks on a boycott that was voluntary?  No one forced all these haters to do one single thing.  And why slam those of us who participated?  So much hate, and to see it on this pages is hugely disappointing. 

Rock fans, including Pearl Jam fans, disproportionately belong to certain demographics that are more likely to be unsympathetic to the causes that Pearl Jam champions. This tension has existed for a long time.

Yeah, I suppose.  It just seems odd to me that Pearl Jam fans would fit that group, but then I've seen the same with bands like Jello Biafra's fans.  Many stand with his perspective on things, but a many also seem to hate the things he stands up for.  Makes no sense to me. 

Bear in mind that a lot of Pearl Jam's fan base consists of people who were adolescents or young adults in the early '90s and who connected to the general sense of dislocation and angst that the band's music projected, but without necessarily thinking or caring too much about the specific political ideas that infused the songs. They either didn't share the band's politics back then but didn't care because the band rocked in a way that they liked, or they were too young or disengaged to have strong political beliefs one way or the other. Now the fan base is older and their political beliefs are more in line with their demographics-- disproportionately white and middle-aged, and more conservative-- than are the political beliefs of Pearl Jam's members, who belong to the same demographic but who came of age in an artistic and cultural environment that fostered a different, more liberal political outlook. That creates a tension.

BF25394 said:

brianlux said:

BF25394 said:

brianlux said:

Reading through this thread leaves me wondering how it is that so many Pearl Jam fans have turned away from or even against a lot of what (besides making great music, of course), this band has stood up for over the years.  And why all the nasty attacks on a boycott that was voluntary?  No one forced all these haters to do one single thing.  And why slam those of us who participated?  So much hate, and to see it on this pages is hugely disappointing. 

Rock fans, including Pearl Jam fans, disproportionately belong to certain demographics that are more likely to be unsympathetic to the causes that Pearl Jam champions. This tension has existed for a long time.

Yeah, I suppose.  It just seems odd to me that Pearl Jam fans would fit that group, but then I've seen the same with bands like Jello Biafra's fans.  Many stand with his perspective on things, but a many also seem to hate the things he stands up for.  Makes no sense to me. 

Bear in mind that a lot of Pearl Jam's fan base consists of people who were adolescents or young adults in the early '90s and who connected to the general sense of dislocation and angst that the band's music projected, but without necessarily thinking or caring too much about the specific political ideas that infused the songs. They either didn't share the band's politics back then but didn't care because the band rocked in a way that they liked, or they were too young or disengaged to have strong political beliefs one way or the other. Now the fan base is older and their political beliefs are more in line with their demographics-- disproportionately white and middle-aged, and more conservative-- than are the political beliefs of Pearl Jam's members, who belong to the same demographic but who came of age in an artistic and cultural environment that fostered a different, more liberal political outlook. That creates a tension.

PJINFLA said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJINFLA said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJINFLA said:

I guess Target is OK when the band needs to make a cash grab selling a limited edition item.

That’s been on sale for years. Good try though. Atleast we can weed out the clueless in this chain 

You are the clueless one.
I'm well aware of when this lp was available. The point so you can understand was that it was alright for the band to make a profit by forcing their fans to Target to buy an exclusive item but now they are telling the fans to boycott Target after they have made their money.
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me!

Target wasn’t shitting on minorities in their hiring process back then (or at least acquiescing to smooth brain shareholders who want regressive policies because some white buys feel put out). So things change. 

Also, no one was forced to buy from Target (ten club sold them too. Twice I believe)

There is still PJ product being sold at Target. If their business practices are so awful why doesn't the band buy all their product back and boycott Target themselves. I think we know the answer. It's the Democrat mantra do as I say not as I do.

Your last sentence is laughable, but ok, good burn man. Since they are in support of efforts to limit environmental impact they should also never travel and cease to exist to minimize their carbon footprint. Pretty sure you know how it works, but you're whining because they don't 100% disconnect from parts of our way of living that are also negative. With that type of thinking it's no wonder shit is so fucked up these days. If you can't go all in, why go in at all, right? Fuck the world and everyone who isn't fortunate to be you who for some reason pays a membership to a band forum they seem to loathe.

Also, The current "king" of do as I say, not as I do is the sitting president, but do go on. Are you part of the new USSR (United States Sympathizers of Russia)?

PJINFLA said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

PJINFLA said:

I guess Target is OK when the band needs to make a cash grab selling a limited edition item.

That’s been on sale for years. Good try though. Atleast we can weed out the clueless in this chain 

You are the clueless one.
I'm well aware of when this lp was available. The point so you can understand was that it was alright for the band to make a profit by forcing their fans to Target to buy an exclusive item but now they are telling the fans to boycott Target after they have made their money.
Sounds pretty hypocritical to me!

They have tissues there too, sounds like you might need one. 

RP123663 said:

BF25394 said:

RP123663 said:

BF25394 said:

Tim Simmons said:

RP123663 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

RP123663 said:

Sea said:

24-Hour Economic Blackout

News February 27 2025

In support of the 24-Hour Economic Blackout, Pearl Jam is closing the Ten Club Shop on February 28th.

For more info on how to participate in the blackout visit thepeoplesunionusa.com.

Designed by Martha Rich.

This is the dumbest, most useless thing ever.  How about someone focuses on the idiotic ticket process that is nothing but a bullshit scam?

Some people only care about themselves. Yeah, the ticket process is a major issue, click a few buttons. Real difficult. 

Get real.  Boycotting things for a few minutes doesn't come close to moving the needle.  Meanwhile PJ and TM are in bed together completely raping the fan base and they want to play this holier than thou card?  So lame.  

To be clear, you are saying don’t use your time to draw attention to one thing that is bad, use your time and attention on another thing that is bad? 

To be even clearer, he is saying: don't use your time to draw attention to major, systemic problems that threaten the very future of the country and our freedoms within it; instead, use your time and attention on a system that people use to access entertainment products.*

* A system that, whatever its flaws, still manages to ensure that thousands of the best seats in every arena are set aside for the band's fan club members-- a fact that completely undermines his assertion that "every action [Pearl Jam] took was to help monopolize the system and cater to the bots and scalpers."

Cool fake story.  Let me know when Target and Amazon go under next week.  You know, Target.  The store PJ partnered with?  I'll wait here.

BTW, the system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value.  Instead, something comes up and they have to sell, but no other fans are allowed to get them at face value.  Nope, the bots are pushed to the front of the line and within seconds, resell them for up to 10x face value while your band does..................absolutely nothing about it.  Those are facts.  So, anyway, make sure you use cash when you pay $1200 for a nosebleed seat to Raleigh.  That'll show em.

See my post above. "Does nothing for the 10c members"? Au contraire. The system gave me, as a Ten Club member, the opportunity to purchase outstanding face-value tickets to as many shows as I wished-- and, in fact, I got those tickets. I would never have been able to  attend ten Pearl Jam shows in six cities in two countries for under $2,000 if it had not been for the Ten Club lottery (or certainly not without a lot more effort required and a lot more uncertainty).

What fake story are you referring to? You said something that is demonstrably false, that "every action [Pearl Jam took] was to help monopolize the system and cater to the bots and scalpers." Thousands of fan club tickets are purchased for every show, most of which are excellent. Pearl Jam took actions to make that possible. If you are so convinced that the band is as corrupt as you say it is, why are you paying to belong to this fan club? You're painting yourself as quite a sucker.

You know who got a much, much better opportunity?  The bots and the scalpers.  You have to be slow to not see the b.s. that is currently happening.  You keep focusing on the TENS of people who ORIGINALLY get an opportunity to get tickets.  However, you fail to see anything past that.  The system is set up for the bots and scalpers to spike the price point and fuck over the fan base. Stop boot licking and be honest for once. Yay, you got tickets to a show.  Awesome. The rest of the arena was monopolized and the fan base was fucked over. 

Keep moving the goalposts. "The system does nothing for the 10c members other than put them in a corner where they are threatened if they sell their tickets above face value." That's what you said, and it's false. The system enables thousands-- perhaps tens of thousands-- of fan club members to secure tickets before they go on sale to the general public, and at face value. The system ensures that a significant portion of the best seats in the house are set aside for fan club members, something that wouldn't happen if Pearl Jam didn't insist on it. I'm not licking anyone's boots, and I'm never anything but honest. You, on the other hand, are a sucker paying annual dues to belong to the fan club of a band that you think is corrupt and hates its fans. And you're miserable. I actually have empathy for you because it cannot be hard going through life being miserable because you think that everything is rigged against you, including a band that you ostensibly love and that has gone out of its way for over 30 years to be good to its fans.

BF25394 said:

Get_Right said:

BF25394 said:

Get_Right said:

The 10C does not get the best seats anymore. Do not hate the players, hate the game. The DOJ approved the ticketmaster live nation merger. That never should have happened. I cannot blame TM for taking advantage of its competitive position to earn more profit. That is economics 101. IMHO the problem is the broken system that allowed it to happen.  

I entered the Ten Club lottery for the shows in the spring of 2024. All of the tickets I got-- and I got tickets to every show I requested-- were either in the GA section, from one to ten rows on the floor behind the GA section, or in the first section on the side of the stage. So you're just wrong. The Ten Club still gets large numbers of the best seats in every arena, which is what I said.

Yeah maybe, but not in the northeast. GA is great if that is want you want. Maybe you have a five digit number and they stick you in the back of the floor? Seats at the back of the floor are not the best seats in the house and those were assigned more than usual from what I could tell. All I know is my seats have been farther back than prior tours. I was put in the 200s for MSG, far worse than prior years when I would get those same great side seats you mention. They may get a good allotment of tickets, but they are spread out more so TM can sell premiums. I am not wrong.

The Ten Club gets the GA section. These are the most high-demand tickets. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the side of the stage that are closest to the stage. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the floor right behind GA. I know this because I was given seats in all of those locations for shows in 2024 through the Ten Club lottery. So it's just not true to say that the Ten Club "does not get the best seats anymore." They are still getting the lion's share of the best seats.

BF25394 said:

Get_Right said:

BF25394 said:

Get_Right said:

The 10C does not get the best seats anymore. Do not hate the players, hate the game. The DOJ approved the ticketmaster live nation merger. That never should have happened. I cannot blame TM for taking advantage of its competitive position to earn more profit. That is economics 101. IMHO the problem is the broken system that allowed it to happen.  

I entered the Ten Club lottery for the shows in the spring of 2024. All of the tickets I got-- and I got tickets to every show I requested-- were either in the GA section, from one to ten rows on the floor behind the GA section, or in the first section on the side of the stage. So you're just wrong. The Ten Club still gets large numbers of the best seats in every arena, which is what I said.

Yeah maybe, but not in the northeast. GA is great if that is want you want. Maybe you have a five digit number and they stick you in the back of the floor? Seats at the back of the floor are not the best seats in the house and those were assigned more than usual from what I could tell. All I know is my seats have been farther back than prior tours. I was put in the 200s for MSG, far worse than prior years when I would get those same great side seats you mention. They may get a good allotment of tickets, but they are spread out more so TM can sell premiums. I am not wrong.

The Ten Club gets the GA section. These are the most high-demand tickets. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the side of the stage that are closest to the stage. The Ten Club gets seats in the sections on the floor right behind GA. I know this because I was given seats in all of those locations for shows in 2024 through the Ten Club lottery. So it's just not true to say that the Ten Club "does not get the best seats anymore." They are still getting the lion's share of the best seats.

Agree on GA. But otherwise not as many as they used to. At least in the northeast. The last northeast tour the best side sections were not 10C seats.

TW154999 said:

Does this include boycotting bands that charge excessive amounts for tickets? Plenty of small local bands around.

Do excessive amounts include bands that charge upwards of $300 or even $800 for packages of which it's the only way into the first 4-5 rows?

DM282158 said:

brianlux said:

BF25394 said:

brianlux said:

BF25394 said:

brianlux said:

Reading through this thread leaves me wondering how it is that so many Pearl Jam fans have turned away from or even against a lot of what (besides making great music, of course), this band has stood up for over the years.  And why all the nasty attacks on a boycott that was voluntary?  No one forced all these haters to do one single thing.  And why slam those of us who participated?  So much hate, and to see it on this pages is hugely disappointing. 

Rock fans, including Pearl Jam fans, disproportionately belong to certain demographics that are more likely to be unsympathetic to the causes that Pearl Jam champions. This tension has existed for a long time.

Yeah, I suppose.  It just seems odd to me that Pearl Jam fans would fit that group, but then I've seen the same with bands like Jello Biafra's fans.  Many stand with his perspective on things, but a many also seem to hate the things he stands up for.  Makes no sense to me. 

Bear in mind that a lot of Pearl Jam's fan base consists of people who were adolescents or young adults in the early '90s and who connected to the general sense of dislocation and angst that the band's music projected, but without necessarily thinking or caring too much about the specific political ideas that infused the songs. They either didn't share the band's politics back then but didn't care because the band rocked in a way that they liked, or they were too young or disengaged to have strong political beliefs one way or the other. Now the fan base is older and their political beliefs are more in line with their demographics-- disproportionately white and middle-aged, and more conservative-- than are the political beliefs of Pearl Jam's members, who belong to the same demographic but who came of age in an artistic and cultural environment that fostered a different, more liberal political outlook. That creates a tension.

Interesting perspective that make sense, BF.  Thanks.

My earlier interesting in rock music came at a time when even in our teens, the music we loved was also often the voice of things that mattered a lot to us.  Songs like Crosby, Still, Nash, and Young's "Ohio", Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth", Otis Redding's "Respect" (later rearranged by Aretha Franklin), Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Fortunate Son", Bob Dylan's "Masters of War", and Phil Ochs' "I Ain't Marching Any More" (and many, many more), mattered to us and still resonate all these years later. 

It's also worth nothing that a lot of those songs were seeds that germinated more contemporary bands like Pearl Jam, Drive-By Truckers, Radiohead, Muse, and Sleater-Kinney. 

But a lot of people do change and become more conservative as they age.  Even a lot of so-called "boomers" did.  Which is why I like Neil Young's line, "People my age, they don't do the things I do" and "Better to burn out than to fade away/ rust." Not me, baby.

Very intuitive and interesting takes (seriously). I’ve always felt the similarities between 60s rock n roll and 90s rock n roll (and music all around I’d say. Damn is the old school hip-hop amazing) was how they were cultural revolutions. Rebellion, angst, courage to express oneself, etc. Whether it be juxtapose to the strictness of society (religious, etc.), coming of age generational angst where finally someone says “fuck you”. It finally all came out. 

I feel like it came out in the most genuine form of art ever heard. You could just feel it. “Something in the water” as they say. 

Well said, DM.  Yeah, the connection is strong, despite my major typo in saying "It's also worth nothing" when I meant to type "It's also worth noting"!  Ouch, lol!