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the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.DarthMaeglin said:
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.DarthMaeglin said:
I thought the article contained no details, lol?HughFreakingDillon said:No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny.
Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen.
But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I’m happy to agree with you again, Trump’s “plan” is utterly asinine. It also occurs to me that isn’t forced displacement of a people one of the listed acts of genocide? (I’ll edit shortly with some sort of answer to that.)HughFreakingDillon said:
Edit: I hope the UN is an acceptable source, forced displacement isn’t an act of genocide but a war crime.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
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Thank you for explaining, I need to point out there were two reliable (at least to me) sources in the first column: one of the trustees and a city councillor who was present.HughFreakingDillon said:
the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.DarthMaeglin said:
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.DarthMaeglin said:
I thought the article contained no details, lol?HughFreakingDillon said:No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny.
Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen.
But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
And it would be nice to not be dismissed as labelling anyone criticizing Israel as an antisemite. I don’t believe I’ve ever said that and have explained my point of view a few posts back."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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you are correct, I haven't seen you personally brand anyone like that. But another does, and they aren't alone.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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It’s just as bad as equating all Palestinians with Hamas.HughFreakingDillon said:you are correct, I haven't seen you personally brand anyone like that. But another does, and they aren't alone.
I admit I’m guilty of posts that don’t allow for the nuances this discussion actually requires.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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DarthMaeglin said:
It’s just as bad as equating all Palestinians with Hamas.HughFreakingDillon said:you are correct, I haven't seen you personally brand anyone like that. But another does, and they aren't alone.
I admit I’m guilty of posts that don’t allow for the nuances this discussion actually requires.
thank you.
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I guess this guy didn’t get the memo and must be antisemitic? And sure, Bibi wants peace, sure he does.
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Some places have objectionable speech at school board meetings while here in ‘Murica, Flo Rida no less, we’ve got the real hate.
Jewish man mistakes two Israeli tourists for Palestinians and opens fire on them in Miami
Victims reportedly posted ‘death to Arabs’ on social media after shooting while suspect held on attempted murder charges
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/miami-shooting-israeli-men
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There’s no laws that prevent idiots from acquiring firearms!Halifax2TheMax said:Some places have objectionable speech at school board meetings while here in ‘Murica, Flo Rida no less, we’ve got the real hate.Jewish man mistakes two Israeli tourists for Palestinians and opens fire on them in Miami
Victims reportedly posted ‘death to Arabs’ on social media after shooting while suspect held on attempted murder charges
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/miami-shooting-israeli-men
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And we were told that the West Bank didn’t attack Israel on 10/07. Guess they’re all Hamas? We were also told Israel wants peace. Sure, sure they do.
Israel demolishes West Bank apartment buildings as military campaign displaces tens of thousands of Palestinians
Israeli forces demolished more than a dozen apartment buildings at a refugee camp in the occupied West Bank on Tuesday, a Palestinian official told CNN, the latest move in a military operation that has displaced tens of thousands of Palestinians.
Since Hamas’ October 7, 2023, attack, Israel has engaged in an increasingly militarized campaign that it says targets West Bank militants, employing tactics like airstrikes that were once nearly unheard of there.
The Israel Defense Forces launched a major campaign - “Operation Iron Wall” - focused on the northern West Bank last month.
That operation, Israel’s defense minister said last month, was explicitly applying the lessons of Israel’s “repeated raids in Gaza.” Israel’s war in Gaza has destroyed around 90% of housing units, according to the United Nations.
The West Bank operation has displaced at least 40,000 Palestinians in the northern West Bank from their homes, according to the United Nations.
Abdullah Kamil, the governor of Tulkarem in the West Bank, told CNN Wednesday that the demolitions carried out Tuesday destroyed buildings that had housed dozens of families over several floors.
“The Israeli military are doing this under pretext of security and fighting terrorism,” he said. It is a “purely political” operation, he alleged, to satisfy hardliners in the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
In November, Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich – who is in charge of Jewish settlements in the West Bank – ordered preparations for the annexation of the settlements, saying that US President Donald Trump’s victory “brings an important opportunity for the state of Israel.”
Palestinians want the West Bank, as well as Gaza and occupied East Jerusalem, for a future independent state. Jewish settlements there are considered illegal under international law.
Israel launched Operation Iron Wall two days after the Gaza ceasefire began, saying it was aimed at eliminating “terrorists and terror infrastructure” and at “ensuring terrorism does not return” following its completion. The Israeli military said on Tuesday that its soldiers were operating in Tulkarem to “neutralize terrorist infrastructure.” It said that its clearing operations would enable “freedom of movement within the camp area, thereby enhancing operational flexibility for forces to effectively thwart terrorism in the region.”
Videos on a Palestinian television channel showed bulldozers demolishing homes in what the outlet said was Tulkarem refugee camp. Other videos seen by CNN from a local journalist showed the scene from another angle with a bulldozer in the tight streets of the refugee camp and soldiers walking in its alleys.
The Israeli military also said Tuesday it had arrested 25 people in the northern West Bank it says were suspected of “involvement in terrorist activity across the area.”
“During the activity, the troops collected findings and weapons used by the enemy,” the military added.
‘Spillover’ of Gaza war
Israel’s military operation in the West Bank that started in the Jenin refugee camp last month has since expanded to the Tulkarem, Nur Shams, and El Far’a refugee camps, according to UNRWA, the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees.
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If I am the other poster he referred…amazing the rules enforcement here, all I’ve ever said is wonder why Palestinian “govt” gets a free pass. How we are supposed to ignore their invasion and murdering of civilians that began this battle?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you for explaining, I need to point out there were two reliable (at least to me) sources in the first column: one of the trustees and a city councillor who was present.HughFreakingDillon said:
the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.DarthMaeglin said:
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.DarthMaeglin said:
I thought the article contained no details, lol?HughFreakingDillon said:No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny.
Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen.
But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
And it would be nice to not be dismissed as labelling anyone criticizing Israel as an antisemite. I don’t believe I’ve ever said that and have explained my point of view a few posts back.
Have the Palestinians ever taken any action to win control of their government?
Have the Palestinians ever acted responsibly as a sovereign nation? Were they ever a sovereign nation? Have they ever looked to peacefully exist?
These questions are always met here with anger and the evils from Netanyahu. Ultimate whataboutism. These are legitimate questions anyone wanting peace in the region would be interested in. Yet on this forum, they are always met with hatred and an unwillingness to have an honest discussion about peace. Eventually , I will stop wondering why.0 -
That is hardly “all you’ve ever said.”Lerxst1992 said:
If I am the other poster he referred…amazing the rules enforcement here, all I’ve ever said is wonder why Palestinian “govt” gets a free pass. How we are supposed to ignore their invasion and murdering of civilians that began this battle?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you for explaining, I need to point out there were two reliable (at least to me) sources in the first column: one of the trustees and a city councillor who was present.HughFreakingDillon said:
the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.DarthMaeglin said:
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.DarthMaeglin said:
I thought the article contained no details, lol?HughFreakingDillon said:No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny.
Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen.
But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
And it would be nice to not be dismissed as labelling anyone criticizing Israel as an antisemite. I don’t believe I’ve ever said that and have explained my point of view a few posts back.
Have the Palestinians ever taken any action to win control of their government?
Have the Palestinians ever acted responsibly as a sovereign nation? Were they ever a sovereign nation? Have they ever looked to peacefully exist?
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the rules of enforcement? like constantly baselessly accusing everyone here how we are all pro-perpetual war (false) supporters of Iran (false) and "wonder why" every other post about why we disagree with Netanyahu. RICHLerxst1992 said:
If I am the other poster he referred…amazing the rules enforcement here, all I’ve ever said is wonder why Palestinian “govt” gets a free pass. How we are supposed to ignore their invasion and murdering of civilians that began this battle?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you for explaining, I need to point out there were two reliable (at least to me) sources in the first column: one of the trustees and a city councillor who was present.HughFreakingDillon said:
the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.DarthMaeglin said:
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.DarthMaeglin said:
I thought the article contained no details, lol?HughFreakingDillon said:No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny.
Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen.
But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
And it would be nice to not be dismissed as labelling anyone criticizing Israel as an antisemite. I don’t believe I’ve ever said that and have explained my point of view a few posts back.
Have the Palestinians ever taken any action to win control of their government?
Have the Palestinians ever acted responsibly as a sovereign nation? Were they ever a sovereign nation? Have they ever looked to peacefully exist?
These questions are always met here with anger and the evils from Netanyahu. Ultimate whataboutism. These are legitimate questions anyone wanting peace in the region would be interested in. Yet on this forum, they are always met with hatred and an unwillingness to have an honest discussion about peace. Eventually , I will stop wondering why.
this *particular* battle started oct 7. to suggest the resolution to a decades long conflict (and illegal aggression/displacement/occupation) based on that is insanely absurd. You are rationalizing the murder of tens of thousands of palestinians because of a thousand israelis.
You only want peace if israel gets everything it wants. We want peace that benefits all peoples.
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Lerxst1992 said:
If I am the other poster he referred…amazing the rules enforcement here, all I’ve ever said is wonder why Palestinian “govt” gets a free pass. How we are supposed to ignore their invasion and murdering of civilians that began this battle?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you for explaining, I need to point out there were two reliable (at least to me) sources in the first column: one of the trustees and a city councillor who was present.HughFreakingDillon said:
the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.DarthMaeglin said:
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.DarthMaeglin said:
I thought the article contained no details, lol?HughFreakingDillon said:No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny.
Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen.
But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
And it would be nice to not be dismissed as labelling anyone criticizing Israel as an antisemite. I don’t believe I’ve ever said that and have explained my point of view a few posts back.
Have the Palestinians ever taken any action to win control of their government?
Have the Palestinians ever acted responsibly as a sovereign nation? Were they ever a sovereign nation? Have they ever looked to peacefully exist?
These questions are always met here with anger and the evils from Netanyahu. Ultimate whataboutism. These are legitimate questions anyone wanting peace in the region would be interested in. Yet on this forum, they are always met with hatred and an unwillingness to have an honest discussion about peace. Eventually , I will stop wondering why.
Do you equate all Palestinians with Hamas?
yes or no.
previous statements leave a strong impression.
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and this quote. This is...really...something. You are so blinded that you can't see that you can EASILY swap those two names and have the exact same opinion if you are palestinian. I'm without speech on that one.Lerxst1992 said:DarthMaeglin said:An update on the TDSP report being accepted. No other commentary from me.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/warmington-tdsb-accepts-report-on-antisemitism-in-schools-but-damage-already-doneNo it doesn’t exist. It’s not real. The Toronto School Board is in on it, too. It’s all fake news.
Just wanting the two sides to negotiate peace gets humans to curse me out on this forum, and no action is ever taken as a result.Yes Netanyahu is an extremist, but what can be expected when its neighbor votes for Hamas and does nothing to stop their authoritarian takeover of their land? And support repeated violent attacks on civilians? At least they can vote. Speak against that, wanting peace, gets you cursed out here. Because I want peace I must support Netanyahu. It’s endless from those who cannot see anything other than continued war.Worth including part of your link:“ B’nai Brith Canada director of research and advocacy Richard Robertson, who attended the Wednesday session, is asking Ontario’s Education Ministry to investigate the board’s chair who B’nai Brith feel “completely failed to enforce the TDSB’s own rules around decorum” and “neglected to intervene when speakers invoked antisemitic tropes, demonized Zionists, and trafficked in disinformation.””By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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The more this guy talks as he gets older, the more I dislike him
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGKb15HR7QJ/?igsh=MXdndDNqZzNoaW4zZg==
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Yeah screw JerryHughFreakingDillon said:The more this guy talks as he gets older, othe more I dislike him
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And let’s not forget the carnage perpetrated by the West Bank on 10/07. They have to “pay” as well. A real peace loving country.
Israel sends tanks to the West Bank for the first time in 20 years. Here’s why that’s significant
The Israeli military this weekend deployed tanks to the occupied West Bank for the first time in two decades.
In the background of a Gaza ceasefire, Israel has steadily escalated an intense military operation in Palestinian cities in the West Bank, killing dozens and displacing tens of thousands of residents.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/24/middleeast/israel-jenin-west-bank-explainer-intl/index.html
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