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"a sovereign nation recogognized by UN" yet flouts the UN at every turn with big bully USA blocking anything of substance.Yes the state of Israel has a right to exist. So do the people of Palestine. As a State unto their own.
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Take a look at who made the quotes. Were you there? I get it, you hate Palestinians and their right to exist. Is Guy antisemitic?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).DarthMaeglin said:
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?Halifax2TheMax said:
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.DarthMaeglin said:
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.Halifax2TheMax said:
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?DarthMaeglin said:
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.mickeyrat said:DarthMaeglin said:Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic.If maga did this you’d be typing in anger for hours
wonder why
” Many who were there Wednesday say it was more of anti-Jewish meeting than a school board meeting.Those in attendance say the public hearing on a report before the Toronto District School Board to protect Jewish students deteriorated into more of anti-Jewish hate fest.
“The anti-Israel mob showed up in full force espousing conspiracy theories, tropes and disinformation about Israel and the Jewish community,” a disgusted Toronto City Councillor James Pasternak said.
He wasn’t alone in feeling this.
“Every self-proclaimed anti-Zionist on (Wednesday night’s) call rejects Israel’s very existence,” claims Daniel Tate, of Integrity Toronto. “I know this because I reviewed their online profiles as they spoke. Every single one had either made statements or aligned with imagery explicitly denying the Jewish homeland’s legitimacy – a sovereign nation recognized by the UN. Yet, when given the floor, they conveniently sidestepped that fact. Perhaps because admitting it wouldn’t play well in a public forum.”
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Take a look at who made the quotes. Were you there? I get it, you hate Palestinians and their right to exist. Is Guy antisemitic?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).DarthMaeglin said:
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?Halifax2TheMax said:
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.DarthMaeglin said:
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.Halifax2TheMax said:
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?DarthMaeglin said:
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.mickeyrat said:DarthMaeglin said:Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic.If maga did this you’d be typing in anger for hours
wonder why
” Many who were there Wednesday say it was more of anti-Jewish meeting than a school board meeting.Those in attendance say the public hearing on a report before the Toronto District School Board to protect Jewish students deteriorated into more of anti-Jewish hate fest.
“The anti-Israel mob showed up in full force espousing conspiracy theories, tropes and disinformation about Israel and the Jewish community,” a disgusted Toronto City Councillor James Pasternak said.
He wasn’t alone in feeling this.
“Every self-proclaimed anti-Zionist on (Wednesday night’s) call rejects Israel’s very existence,” claims Daniel Tate, of Integrity Toronto. “I know this because I reviewed their online profiles as they spoke. Every single one had either made statements or aligned with imagery explicitly denying the Jewish homeland’s legitimacy – a sovereign nation recognized by the UN. Yet, when given the floor, they conveniently sidestepped that fact. Perhaps because admitting it wouldn’t play well in a public forum.”
Are you accusing the city councilor of lying?
you are certainly putting words in my mouth.I comment here about both sides negotiating for peace and get attacked by the extremists here endlessly. But that’s what the libs get away with here.
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I believe you have the right to accuse me of that, as false as that is. However if you were right leaning, you would be moderated for that, if not banned.
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Gaza Must Be Rebuilt by Palestinians, for PalestiniansIn a new essay, the Palestinian poet Mosab Abu Toha considers the horror of President Trump’s proposal to turn Gaza into the “Riviera of the Middle East.” “Palestinians do not need President Trump to talk about Gaza as if it were an empty hotel room that needs redesigning,” he writes. “What we need is for the rest of the world to hear about Gaza’s basic, immediate necessities. We need to erect tents and fill them with teachers so that children who have missed 16 months of learning can go back to school. We need to dig through the debris for whatever remains of our brothers and sisters and parents and children so that we can bury them. We need heavy equipment to clear away 50 million tons of rubble and replace it with places to live and work. We need to replant devastated fields so that Palestinian farmers can grow our food again. We need to replace sites of death with hospitals where people can heal. We need an end to the state of siege that surrounds us. And the people who shape this future need to be us Palestinians—not the people who made Gaza look like a demolition site, or who now seem to think that an entire people should be demolished, too.”_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Supporting a terrorist organization in any other context would be considered extremist behavior.
at least get yer accusations accurate.
the left here has more hate against someone supporting peace negotiations in the Middle East than it does for President Trump. WTF is wrong with y** ******. Wonder what.
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Lerxst1992 said:Supporting a terrorist organization in any other context would be considered extremist behavior.
at least get yer accusations accurate.
the left here has more hate against someone supporting peace negotiations in the Middle East than it does for President Trump. WTF is wrong with y** ******. Wonder what.
As does supporting an apartheid nation state.Guessing the map of 1967 to today didn’t register, as do any Israeli transgressions. What is wrong with you?Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Do you equate all Palestinians with Hamas?
yes or no.
previous statements leave a strong impression.
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As you have accused me and others of being antisemitic because of our criticism of Israel and its policies and treatment of Palestine and Palestinians. As is your right. Should you be banned?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Take a look at who made the quotes. Were you there? I get it, you hate Palestinians and their right to exist. Is Guy antisemitic?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).DarthMaeglin said:
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?Halifax2TheMax said:
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.DarthMaeglin said:
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.Halifax2TheMax said:
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?DarthMaeglin said:
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.mickeyrat said:DarthMaeglin said:Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic.If maga did this you’d be typing in anger for hours
wonder why
” Many who were there Wednesday say it was more of anti-Jewish meeting than a school board meeting.Those in attendance say the public hearing on a report before the Toronto District School Board to protect Jewish students deteriorated into more of anti-Jewish hate fest.
“The anti-Israel mob showed up in full force espousing conspiracy theories, tropes and disinformation about Israel and the Jewish community,” a disgusted Toronto City Councillor James Pasternak said.
He wasn’t alone in feeling this.
“Every self-proclaimed anti-Zionist on (Wednesday night’s) call rejects Israel’s very existence,” claims Daniel Tate, of Integrity Toronto. “I know this because I reviewed their online profiles as they spoke. Every single one had either made statements or aligned with imagery explicitly denying the Jewish homeland’s legitimacy – a sovereign nation recognized by the UN. Yet, when given the floor, they conveniently sidestepped that fact. Perhaps because admitting it wouldn’t play well in a public forum.”
Are you accusing the city councilor of lying?
you are certainly putting words in my mouth.I comment here about both sides negotiating for peace and get attacked by the extremists here endlessly. But that’s what the libs get away with here.
edit,
I believe you have the right to accuse me of that, as false as that is. However if you were right leaning, you would be moderated for that, if not banned.
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Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:Supporting a terrorist organization in any other context would be considered extremist behavior.
at least get yer accusations accurate.
the left here has more hate against someone supporting peace negotiations in the Middle East than it does for President Trump. WTF is wrong with y** ******. Wonder what.
As does supporting an apartheid nation state.Guessing the map of 1967 to today didn’t register, as do any Israeli transgressions. What is wrong with you?You ignore every fact pattern of this problem. So why bother countering your one sided nonsense?
the point is, your false accusations will never lead to peace. Did South Africa not get that opportunity? That was real apartheid, not the fake crap you spread. Did Germany get another chance? Serbia?
Israel gets invaded in 1967, 2023, wins the wars, draws boundaries as a result, negotiates multiple peace treaties with its neighbors. All facts. Keep negotiating for peace.0 -
Palestine and Palestinians did not invade Israel from the West Bank as you posited, ignoring Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty during the 6 Day War. Speaking of false accusations and ignorance.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Lerxst1992 said:Supporting a terrorist organization in any other context would be considered extremist behavior.
at least get yer accusations accurate.
the left here has more hate against someone supporting peace negotiations in the Middle East than it does for President Trump. WTF is wrong with y** ******. Wonder what.
As does supporting an apartheid nation state.Guessing the map of 1967 to today didn’t register, as do any Israeli transgressions. What is wrong with you?You ignore every fact pattern of this problem. So why bother countering your one sided nonsense?
the point is, your false accusations will never lead to peace. Did South Africa not get that opportunity? That was real apartheid, not the fake crap you spread. Did Germany get another chance? Serbia?
Israel gets invaded in 1967, 2023, wins the wars, draws boundaries as a result, negotiates multiple peace treaties with its neighbors. All facts. Keep negotiating for peace.
When will Israel treat Palestinians as equals?
And you mention Israel negotiated peace deals all the while seizing Palestinian lands and homes in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza until their withdrawal in 2006, as the map you choose to ignore clearly illustrates. Peace treaties are hollow unless adhered to by both parties.
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Well, that little small town newspaper had a lot more details and direct quotes than that big city tabloid article did. Fancy that. And the small town reporter didn’t feel it necessary to twat their reporting to elected leadership at the local, provincial, and national level like your source did. Seems one source is a little more biased than the other but that’s just me. Enjoy your interwebs.DarthMaeglin said:
Am I allowed to be equally dismissive of an article from British Columbia about a municipality in Ontario, halfway across the country? How much direct reporting did the writer do, or is it essentially a regurgitation of what could be found elsewhere on the internet?Halifax2TheMax said:I guess Guy didn’t get the memo?
Guy Tsabar, a Jewish TDSB parent and self-described anti-Zionist, called Israel a “genocidal, fascist, immoral, inhumane, vile, depraved, white supremacist state,” and ended his delegate remarks with the call to “free every square inch of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.”
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I shouldn’t have been foolish and asked a simple yes or no question.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).DarthMaeglin said:
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?Halifax2TheMax said:
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.DarthMaeglin said:
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.Halifax2TheMax said:
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?DarthMaeglin said:
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.mickeyrat said:DarthMaeglin said:Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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I shouldn’t have been foolish and asked a simple yes or no question.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).DarthMaeglin said:
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?Halifax2TheMax said:
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.DarthMaeglin said:
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.Halifax2TheMax said:
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?DarthMaeglin said:
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.mickeyrat said:DarthMaeglin said:Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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“Hatefest” is extreme in the context of this discussion and the purported events as reported by a tabloid news source. Sorry not sorry I don’t subscribe to tabloid journalism.DarthMaeglin said:
I shouldn’t have been foolish and asked a simple yes or no question.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).DarthMaeglin said:
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?Halifax2TheMax said:
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.DarthMaeglin said:
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.Halifax2TheMax said:
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?DarthMaeglin said:
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.mickeyrat said:DarthMaeglin said:Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
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