#47 President Donald Trump

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx  miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke.  fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx  miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke.  fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often.  The people have not spoken. 

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx  miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke.  fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often.  The people have not spoken. 

Disagree....he won both the popular and electoral votes. And the GOP controls the House and Senate.

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny. 

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day. 

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx  miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke.  fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

I don't think you're ever going to get more voter turnout, that has nothing to do with the EC. And the winer often doesn't;t get more than 50% of the vote either.
But the EC can use some tweaking. I don't like the all or nothing for example, should get electoral votes based on percentage or districts won.

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means. 

What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?

causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates. 

He has been threatening tariffs from day one. Any chaos is caused by companies and countries that refuse take him seriously, even after his actions during his first term. Our historical way of legislating does not seem to work, at least from Trump's perspective.