#47 President Donald Trump

Lerxst1992 · February 4

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

The dude is an attention whore. That’s why he announced this on a Friday afternoon, when everyone is getting ready for the weekend and not wanting to think about this crap. The last thing it does is show strength. It shows that people are willing to vote for a completely incompetent president with severe challenges recognizing any fact.

He made the NA trade deal and a real man honors his agreements without crying about it like a two year old. The right gets off on making libs angry and now that extends to making our closest ally angry. Only an idiot turns on our closest ally.

honestly it’s disgusting to turn on our friends, it unsettles the financial markets and the economy, just because he didn’t get any hugs from his mommy when he was a kid.

benjs · February 4

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

Get_Right · February 4

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

HughFreakingDillon · February 4

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:

“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means.

HughFreakingDillon · February 4

PJ_Soul said:

evsgjamm said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater.

Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please.

I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.

Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.

I decided a few months ago that, if I ever start another band, I'm going to trigger all of my fellow grammar nazis and name us The Apostrophe's.

mickeyrat · February 4

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

brianlux · February 4

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often. The people have not spoken.

mace1229 · February 4

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

The 10,000 troops from Mexico was something already established under Biden and Canada basically just reaffirmed what was already announced in December. Trump literally gained nothing, but the right wing media will spin it as a big W and he'll make false claims about it for weeks.

You're wrong. Years.

Gern Blansten · February 4

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often. The people have not spoken.

Disagree....he won both the popular and electoral votes. And the GOP controls the House and Senate.

Get_Right · February 4

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

I agree that the system of the electoral college is broken.

brianlux · February 4

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

Thank you for pointing out what gets overlooked too often. The people have not spoken.

Disagree....he won both the popular and electoral votes. And the GOP controls the House and Senate.

Gerrymandering, voter suppression. I don't think the people have spoken. But it doesn't matter. We're stuck with a clown president Dictator, and his side kick just executed a coup on the nations financing. We are no longer a democracy.

Get_Right · February 4

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:

“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means.

What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?

HughFreakingDillon · February 4

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:

“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means.

What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?

causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates.

mace1229 · February 4

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

I don't think you're ever going to get more voter turnout, that has nothing to do with the EC. And the winer often doesn't;t get more than 50% of the vote either.
But the EC can use some tweaking. I don't like the all or nothing for example, should get electoral votes based on percentage or districts won.

tbergs · February 4

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?
- Turned the west against him even more
- unsettled the stock market
- decreased US tourism
- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU
- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU
- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border
- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)
- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place.

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.

Strange that you don't think credibility in negotiations is something important for a president to possess. People talk about political capital all the time - well, how about trust capital with respect to foreign relations? Trump has none. This kind of strong-arm tactic won't work time and time again.

Also, the nonchalance with which Trump spoke of the pain which his own citizens would endure 'temporarily' would give pause to anyone with their brain still activated on the day-to-day.

I think it is important to show strength, even if it is smoke and mirrors. I think the nonchalance speaks to the fact that the US economy survived his tariff actions in 2018. It hurt at first, but most businesses survived. The GOP is not exactly known for its concern with the individual.

And who votes the GOP into office again?

As for strength - you’ve got the president who cried wolf, and now the world knows it. Let’s see if the world wants to get into a boxing match when they realize he’s a wrestler and it’s all a show. Someone’s going to say, game on.

For better or worse, the people have spoken. He has not cried wolf, he granted a reprise. There is really only one country we need to fear, China.

less than 50% vote total spoke for hom. 77,3xx,xxx miilion out of some 240 million eligible to vote spoke. fun fact. 77,9xx,xxx voted for somebody else.

I don't think you're ever going to get more voter turnout, that has nothing to do with the EC. And the winer often doesn't;t get more than 50% of the vote either.
But the EC can use some tweaking. I don't like the all or nothing for example, should get electoral votes based on percentage or districts won.

Percentage of EC votes for the state based on popular vote breakdown of that state. I think that will change the 270 requirement though so some recalculating would be needed.

Get_Right · February 4

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:

“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means.

What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?

causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates.

He has been threatening tariffs from day one. Any chaos is caused by companies and countries that refuse take him seriously, even after his actions during his first term. Our historical way of legislating does not seem to work, at least from Trump's perspective.

DE4173 · February 4

EC 2016: 😡
EC 2020: 😴
EC 2024: 😡

tbergs · February 4

DE4173 said:

EC 2016: 😡
EC 2020: 😴
EC 2024: 😡

You can go back a few decades with these. 2000 is for sure the year that should have ushered in changes, but then again 2012 should have ushered in gun control changes. It isn't happening. Either way, someone will always be unhappy after an election. I don't think it's rigged or stolen, but much like SCOTUS appts. and lack of term limits on politicians, there should be some changes.

Lerxst1992 · February 4

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:

“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means.

What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?

causing domestic and global chaos is not how one legislates.

He has been threatening tariffs from day one. Any chaos is caused by companies and countries that refuse take him seriously, even after his actions during his first term. Our historical way of legislating does not seem to work, at least from Trump's perspective.

Threatening Canada before Election Day? Please share.

FWIW the drug issue is a problem, not an emergency. 9/11, Katrina, the LA fires, those are examples of emergencies.

Hawk123 · February 4

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context, per the AP:

“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem.

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron.

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target? They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

the point is the ends don't, in any way shape or form, justify his idiotic means.

What is idiotic about issuing executive orders to try and get traction from our neighbors?

I’ll tell you what’s idiotic, announcing the tarrifs on Saturday and when asked what they can do to stop them, he said “nothing can be done”. Causing global chaos in the markets, retaliatory tariffs announced and then hours before going into effect, pausing them because both countries plan to do what was, for the most part, already planned. There are more effective ways than doing the typical Trump bullshit, reality TV, clown show. Maybe get off social media and communicate with your allies directly and respectfully and come to a joint agreement that shows strength and unity to the rest of the world. Be a fucking leader and not a petulant baby.

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