#47 President Donald Trump

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

The 10,000 troops from Mexico was something already established under Biden and Canada basically just reaffirmed what was already announced in December. Trump literally gained nothing, but the right wing media will spin it as a big W and he'll make false claims about it for weeks.

evsgjamm said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater. 

Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please. 

I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.

Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.

battle1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

battle1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

evsgjamm said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think the real issue is that he would be willing to throw the good economy out with the boarder issue bathwater. 

Just a tip, man: Spell "border" correctly in your life from this point on. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Trump went nuts about the borders and I've seen too many people spell this simple word incorrectly; you just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back and I'm speaking up and taking a stand dammit lol. It's "border"... not "boarder"... the word "boarder" is about boards... like... what Ed likes to surf on on his days off. He's a boarder. Got it? Good. Next victim please. 

I have to admit that I have no problem with this message. I am a self-admitted "grammar-Nazi", although I try to keep it to myself, since I know how many people don't so much appreciate our well-intended mission, which is, of course, to help people know how to write properly, lol. Also, the reason I just said it was to bring me to my next point: I learned somewhat recently to not say the term "grammar-Nazi" in real life. I accidentally said it in the company of a Jewish colleague. I apologized later, after realizing what I did. She very much appreciated my apology, and pointed out that malicious intent was needed for it to be offensive. Still, I felt bad.

Not as bad as it makes me feel when I see someone mixing up "your" and "you're" though, or not knowing how to use apostophes.

But its ok for you and your kind to use the word nazi all over the internet?  Am I reading this correctly? Just not in real life, as you stated.  It gets more hilarious here by the canadian, I mean by the minute. 

What is 'my kind'?

The term is a well-know colloquialism of course, as I know you know. Like I said, not very appropriate. Although using the word Nazi is not a problem. Acting like a Nazi is where the problem comes in. In any case, keep on trolling bud.

Oh, so there are stipulations.  Thank you for clarifying.  

These people actually take themselves seriously. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

Get_Right said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

Like it or not, politics is a dirty business in the US. To think otherwise is to be naive. Trump made a promise to levy tariffs if our neighboring countries do not allocate more resources to border security. He kept his promise in less than a month. The efficacy remains to been seen and it is likely his executive orders would not withstand judicial scrutiny, but he made a promise and kept it. I cannot say that about many politicians in the US.

No one manipulates facts like this dude. No one.

And your comment is Not exactly true when taken in context,  per the AP:


“Unlike during the 2024 campaign, when Trump billed his economic agenda as guaranteed to reduce the cost of living for Americans, the Republcan president now is acknowledging what many economists have long forecasted: that the levies could yield higher prices and lower supplies across the market.”

My comments address his actions on tariffs regarding border security, not economic impact of tariffs on US citizens with respect to the importation of tangible goods or the cost of living. It does not take much manipulation of facts to assess the financial impact of fentanyl being imported into our country, whether direct from China or through our North American neighbors. And all politicians manipulate facts to support their agenda.

Canada is an open border with no fence. Republican supporters are out of their minds if they think Canada is a significant contributor to the immigration problem. 

So in your republican logic, let’s tank our economy to solve ten percent of the immigration problem, maybe.

Not immigration. Drug smuggling.

The drugs crossing the Canada/US border to the US account for like .0002% of all drugs smuggled into the US. Trump is a moron. 

.2%, of identified fentanyl seizures. That does not account for what was not identified, or other drugs that may contain fentanyl. Do people really think it is a bad thing if Canada and Mexico increased border security with drug smugglers as a specific target?   They have 30 days to put their money where their mouth is. Trump may very well be a moron, and I can see how people think this is bad politics. But if Canada and Mexico do even 20% of what they promised, then fewer drugs may enter our country. I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

PJ_Soul said:

So what has Trump accomplished with this tariff war so far?

- Turned the west against him even more

- unsettled the stock market

- decreased US tourism

- decreased purchasing of US goods in Canada and Mexico and the EU

- increased political solidarity in Canada, Mexico, and the EU

- added 10,000 Mexican troops at the southern border

- forced Canada to overspend on border security for an essentially irrelevant impact (not that i argue against the illegal drug trade or illegal immigration - nobody does, and nobody ever has)

- destroyed America's good relationship with its strongest trading partners

Awesome. Bravo to the GOP.

I think he also showed himself as a pretty weak negotiator, who threatens with bully tactics but might be too chicken-shit to actually do these things in the first place. 

I think Trump was probably well advised that invoking the Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs may not survive judicial scrutiny, but was also advised that there was nothing to lose. His position is that Canada and Mexico are not doing enough and was looking for potential solutions that could be swiftly implemented without seeking Congressional approval. He was not chicken shit in 2018 when it came to China and those actions have survived judicial scrutiny.