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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,520
    So I went shopping at my local mall and guess what it was full of Spanish immigrants! But you know what they do they spend money and they pay taxes on all those goods they buy so yes they do contribute to the economy! Illegal yes but def contribute to the economy 
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  • mickeyrat
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    So I went shopping at my local mall and guess what it was full of Spanish immigrants! But you know what they do they spend money and they pay taxes on all those goods they buy so yes they do contribute to the economy! Illegal yes but def contribute to the economy 

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  • Go Beavers
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    Billy bob ain’t making his own Fentanyl Jose.  
    He’s just bringing it over the border. 

    But data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and other federal agenciesshow the vast majority of fentanyl comes through legal ports of entry. And the people bringing it into the country are native born Americans.

    Approximately 80% of people prosecuted and convicted of federal drug trafficking offenses were U.S. citizens, according to Tara McGrath, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of California.

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Facts, beaves??? NOT FACTS!!! IT DESTROYS THEIR NARRATIVE/RACISM!!!
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    edited December 2024
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-fact-check-mexican-cartels-u-s-fentanyl-deaths/Trump's "border czar" claims Mexican cartels killed a quarter-million Americans with fentanyl. Here's a fact check.
    Here you go sheckster & chocotide 250k fentanyl deaths 😂 blame the Mexican’s, like Joey or Linda overdosing are not to blame and who’s selling them the drug it ain’t Chico & the man it’s Pauley down the street or Mike in the dorm next door! 
    Well the Mexican govt is bought off by the cartels and Chinese to allow the unrestricted flow of fentanyl across the border.  Trump blames the Mexican govt and the CCP (Chicomms) for fentanyl, not the Mexican people.  Here ya go:  https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/drugs-fentanyl-china/

    Even though it was written a while back, to get a clear picture about what goes on there, this is an excellent book.  Not an easy read by any means, but really well written and researched by the author right at the source.  It's amazing he was able to publish this.

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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    brianlux said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-fact-check-mexican-cartels-u-s-fentanyl-deaths/Trump's "border czar" claims Mexican cartels killed a quarter-million Americans with fentanyl. Here's a fact check.
    Here you go sheckster & chocotide 250k fentanyl deaths 😂 blame the Mexican’s, like Joey or Linda overdosing are not to blame and who’s selling them the drug it ain’t Chico & the man it’s Pauley down the street or Mike in the dorm next door! 
    Well the Mexican govt is bought off by the cartels and Chinese to allow the unrestricted flow of fentanyl across the border.  Trump blames the Mexican govt and the CCP (Chicomms) for fentanyl, not the Mexican people.  Here ya go:  https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/drugs-fentanyl-china/

    Even though it was written a while back, to get a clear picture about what goes on there, this is an excellent book.  Not an easy read by any means, but really well written and researched by the author right at the source.  It's amazing he was able to publish this.

    No offense to Charles Bowden, but Matt Foley is probably more familiar with what goes on “down by the river”.
  • FiveBelow said:
    brianlux said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-border-czar-tom-homan-fact-check-mexican-cartels-u-s-fentanyl-deaths/Trump's "border czar" claims Mexican cartels killed a quarter-million Americans with fentanyl. Here's a fact check.
    Here you go sheckster & chocotide 250k fentanyl deaths 😂 blame the Mexican’s, like Joey or Linda overdosing are not to blame and who’s selling them the drug it ain’t Chico & the man it’s Pauley down the street or Mike in the dorm next door! 
    Well the Mexican govt is bought off by the cartels and Chinese to allow the unrestricted flow of fentanyl across the border.  Trump blames the Mexican govt and the CCP (Chicomms) for fentanyl, not the Mexican people.  Here ya go:  https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/drugs-fentanyl-china/

    Even though it was written a while back, to get a clear picture about what goes on there, this is an excellent book.  Not an easy read by any means, but really well written and researched by the author right at the source.  It's amazing he was able to publish this.

    No offense to Charles Bowden, but Matt Foley is probably more familiar with what goes on “down by the river”.
    Mess around with the fentanyl and you’ll end up IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
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  • Billy bob ain’t making his own Fentanyl Jose.  
    Guess you’ve never been to Tennessee?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Billy bob ain’t making his own Fentanyl Jose.  
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,823
    I haven't heard of anyone manufacturing fentanyl in the United States, only China and Mexico. Is that actually happening here?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,395
    mace1229 said:
    I haven't heard of anyone manufacturing fentanyl in the United States, only China and Mexico. Is that actually happening here?
    It's not, but it doesn't have to be because doctors were handing it out like candy for decades.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,520
    edited December 2024
    mace1229 said:
    I haven't heard of anyone manufacturing fentanyl in the United States, only China and Mexico. Is that actually happening here?
    They will once it can’t be transported across the borders! Dealers always find a way there’s to much $$$$ to be made from the Americans! 
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,638
    City Councilwoman Danielle Jurinsky feels vindicated after months of warnings
    Published December 18, 2024 2:00pm EST

    Nineteen suspected members of the Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang were detained this week following a violent home invasion that left two Aurora residents hospitalized. The incident has sparked renewed outrage from City Councilwoman Danielle Jurinsky, who has long warned about rising migrant-related crime in the city.

    "This is unfortunately not something you want to be able to say I told you so on, but I told you so," Jurinsky said during an interview on ‘Fox & Friends’ Wednesday. 

    "Nobody wanted to listen to me. This very much turned into political theater leading up to the presidential election. Many people have suffered."

    According to Aurora Police Chief Todd Chamberlain, the suspects entered an apartment at a complex that had previously been the center of gang-related violence. The suspects allegedly took two victims to another unit, where they were beaten, pistol-whipped, and threatened.

    "This isn’t just assault. This isn’t just fistfights. This is absolute torture," said Jurinsky, referencing claims that the female victim’s fingernails were forcibly removed. A male victim suffered a stab wound, but both are expected to recover.

    Chief Chamberlain, who took office in September, described the attack as "a gang incident" during a press conference on Tuesday, but stopped short of confirming what group the suspects were affiliated with. "So, does this fall into the category of torture for me? Yeah, it does," he said.

    Jurinsky has been vocal about her concerns regarding migrant-related crime, particularly the growing presence of Tren de Aragua (TDA), a violent gang that originated in Venezuela. A previous incident at the same apartment complex, involving TDA members pounding on doors and brandishing weapons, gained national attention earlier this year.

    "Once the Americans were moved out of the complex. This is the most vulnerable population left. These are other migrants. Some of them don’t even realize where they are. They were simply dropped off in the middle of the night in some cases." 

    The gang’s growing footprint in the United States has raised alarms at both local and federal levels. Texas Congressman Troy Nehls, R-Texas, recently stated that TDA now operates in 17 states. Members of the gang have also been linked to other high-profile crimes, including the murder of Georgia nursing student Laken Riley

    Jurinsky has pointed to federal immigration policies under the Biden administration as a contributing factor to the rise of TDA in the United States. Telling Fox’s Laura Ingraham in September, "These folks are a product of our current administration’s failed border policies. American citizens have had to suffer because of it." 

    A recent New York Times report confirmed that the Biden administration oversaw the highest net immigration numbers in U.S. history – much of that due to illegal immigration. 

    President-elect Donald Trump, who has pledged to prioritize mass deportations during his second term, made Aurora a pivotal campaign message ahead of the election. 

    During an October 11th rally in Aurora, the President-elect announced "Operation Aurora," a plan to target undocumented immigrants with gang ties. Trump says he intends to use the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to "expedite the removal of these savage gangs."

    While Jurinsky remains critical of the city’s previous leadership, she expressed support for Chief Chamberlain’s transparency and commitment to tackling the issue. "He has made clear that we will not stand for this. It is a new day in the Aurora police chief’s office."

    For now, Aurora residents wait to see whether these arrests will mark a turning point in the fight against TDA and other violent groups infiltrating the city

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,483
    Sounds like the current system is working. They caught them.


  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,520
    If you’re an illegal immigrant with no legal status and are part of violent gangs or committing crimes they should be deported I have no problem with that 
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,638
    If you’re an illegal immigrant with no legal status and are part of violent gangs or committing crimes they should be deported I have no problem with that 
    Agreed. The problem we have is, Tren de Aragua (TDA), who make MS-13 look like kindergartners, are embedded in 16 of our states now. Joe Biden and Mayorkas are 100% responsible for this, by opening our borders and not properly vetting people coming in the last 4 years.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,483
    We have 200 different scourges in this country that are worse. We don’t need to burn down the whole immigration system to fix this. The police will police. The current system works just fine. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,395
    edited December 2024
    shecky said:
    If you’re an illegal immigrant with no legal status and are part of violent gangs or committing crimes they should be deported I have no problem with that 
    Agreed. The problem we have is, Tren de Aragua (TDA), who make MS-13 look like kindergartners, are embedded in 16 of our states now. Joe Biden and Mayorkas are 100% responsible for this, by opening our borders and not properly vetting people coming in the last 4 years.
    You don't even know what you're talking about when you say "open borders". If by open, you mean people can come and go through the legal avenue anyway there, yes. We aren't closing the country [name-calling removed by admin. See Posting Guidelines to keep your forum account from being read-only.]. The border was never an open door where people freely wandered in. That's only at schools these days where everyone is supposed to be armed.
    Post edited by Kat on
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    edited December 2024
    tbergs said:
    shecky said:
    If you’re an illegal immigrant with no legal status and are part of violent gangs or committing crimes they should be deported I have no problem with that 
    Agreed. The problem we have is, Tren de Aragua (TDA), who make MS-13 look like kindergartners, are embedded in 16 of our states now. Joe Biden and Mayorkas are 100% responsible for this, by opening our borders and not properly vetting people coming in the last 4 years.
    You don't even know what you're talking about when you say "open borders". If by open, you mean people can come and go through the legal avenue anyway there, yes. We aren't closing the country [name-calling removed by admin. See Posting Guidelines to keep your forum account from being read-only.]. The border was never an open door where people freely wandered in. That's only at schools these days where everyone is supposed to be armed.
    Shecky thinks mexico is the 52nd state (canada being 51) and wants a wall a la post WW2 germany and mexico will be New New Mexico, or maybe New Mexico 2. That will be decided by a twitter poll. Trump suggested South America not realizing that might cause some confusion. 
    Post edited by Kat on
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