Same folks up front

given2flym said:

Reissy said:

I'm a fan of a regionally popular band with a devout "rail gang" adjacent group. They would also say they're an inclusive bunch (just as long as you're not in front of them). The behavior is off-putting to the common fan. That band has gotten very good at making their cringes look like smiles. I can't speak for Pearl Jam's personal thoughts, so I won't. But...

You won’t speak for the band. But you’ll imply it. 

And use other non- Pearl Jam band rail communities as evidence. 

But when someone implies the band seems quite happy with some of the regulars they see up front - going so far as to comment on it at shows. Well, they’re just being nice. 

arms outstretched said:

Hawk123 said:

arms outstretched said:

pjl44 said:

Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."

Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."

And your first hand knowledge is? 

Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you. 

Why are you acting like it never happens? Maybe you’re not the one doing it but it absolutely happens. I mentioned a few pages back that my one time in GA when I joined my ticket buddy who was in line all day, I was told by someone a couple back that if I end up on the rail and he doesn’t there’s going to be a problem. It was clear he was with a larger group and had a mob mentality. 

Don’t speak in absolutes like it never, ever happens. It does. 

So you showed up and budded in line in front of people who had been there all day? You don’t see THAT as the problem? 

Now who’s entitled? 

jwhjr17 said:

Chrrie said:

jwhjr17 said:

arms outstretched said:

pjl44 said:

Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."

Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."

And your first hand knowledge is? 

Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you. 

There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans.  I've experienced it as well.  Keep trying.

No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly. 

I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be. 

All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia. 

I know who you are and I'm not disputing your experience.  I and many others have had different experiences at different times/places.  Is it the majority?  No.  But, it does happen and has been ugly at times.

BigRedd said:

Chrrie said:

jwhjr17 said:

arms outstretched said:

pjl44 said:

Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."

Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."

And your first hand knowledge is? 

Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you. 

There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans.  I've experienced it as well.  Keep trying.

No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly. 

I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be. 

All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia. 

The way that group talked to those two people was sad and pathetic. They are hypocrites. End of story. 

That very same show in Seattle one of the railriders snuck in without a ticket and cut in front of bunch of people. You know who I mean. Everyone cheered him on in your group. Not one person said go back to the line or that was not fair. 

Hypocrites 

spankyMP said:

arms outstretched said:

BigRedd said:

Chrrie said:

jwhjr17 said:

arms outstretched said:

pjl44 said:

Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."

Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."

And your first hand knowledge is? 

Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you. 

There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans.  I've experienced it as well.  Keep trying.

No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly. 

I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be. 

All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia. 

The way that group talked to those two people was sad and pathetic. They are hypocrites. End of story. 

That very same show in Seattle one of the railriders snuck in without a ticket and cut in front of bunch of people. You know who I mean. Everyone cheered him on in your group. Not one person said go back to the line or that was not fair. 

Hypocrites 

Were you there? 

Were you?

arms outstretched said:

BigRedd said:

Chrrie said:

jwhjr17 said:

arms outstretched said:

pjl44 said:

Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."

Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."

And your first hand knowledge is? 

Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you. 

There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans.  I've experienced it as well.  Keep trying.

No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly. 

I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be. 

All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia. 

The way that group talked to those two people was sad and pathetic. They are hypocrites. End of story. 

That very same show in Seattle one of the railriders snuck in without a ticket and cut in front of bunch of people. You know who I mean. Everyone cheered him on in your group. Not one person said go back to the line or that was not fair. 

Hypocrites 

Were you there? 

josevolution said:

Remember when 10C decided to stop with assigning the best seats to senior members? They went to the 1&2 and 8&9 rows to be randomly selected that was a cool thing no? And then they completely did away with seats and implemented GA for all shows up front with a cordoned off section, well I’ve been watching videos of these past shows here in the states and it’s clear that there’s a group of fans that somehow manage to get GA to most of the shows including that big dude Ed pointed out in Philadelphia! Here’s a plea from Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders 
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-pretenders-chrissie-hynde-doesnt-want-to-see-the-same-fans-in-the-front-row-at-multiple-shows-give-local-fans-a-chance-3803931

arms outstretched said:

BigRedd said:

arms outstretched said:

BigRedd said:

Chrrie said:

jwhjr17 said:

arms outstretched said:

pjl44 said:

Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."

Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."

And your first hand knowledge is? 

Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you. 

There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans.  I've experienced it as well.  Keep trying.

No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly. 

I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be. 

All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia. 

The way that group talked to those two people was sad and pathetic. They are hypocrites. End of story. 

That very same show in Seattle one of the railriders snuck in without a ticket and cut in front of bunch of people. You know who I mean. Everyone cheered him on in your group. Not one person said go back to the line or that was not fair. 

Hypocrites 

Were you there? 

Yes. If you were there as you say you were you know exactly what I am talking about. 

You were in the ga line? No. Never have been. Right? 

arms outstretched said:

on2legs said:

arms outstretched said:

on2legs said:

Chrrie said:

on2legs said:

I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want.  That’s totally fine.  I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front.  I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?

I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday. 

If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close. 

I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore. 

If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA? 

on2legs said:

Chrrie said:

on2legs said:

I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want.  That’s totally fine.  I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front.  I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?

I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday. 

If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close. 

I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore. 

If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA? 

Benefits? The other 1000 can’t figure out where the line is? 

Of course they can.  I’m just saying there should be a random number draw and then everyone can show up to that line an hour before doors open.  

Why? So “everyone can get their chance”? This isn’t kindergarten.