Viruses / Vaccines 2

HughFreakingDillon said:

appointment made. My wife "encouraged" me to get it. haha

You gave in to her "needling"?

Getting both flu & covid shots today! 

Choccoloccotide said:

I’ve never got a Flu or Covid vax shot, and I don’t have any issue with those that choose too.  Thank God we live in a Country, for now, that want force someone to put something in their body they don’t want in it.  

But we will live in a country that will outlaw immunization if it’s up to RFK Junior! You know the immunization that your parents got for you when you were a kid the ones that most if not all pediatricians have suggested for decades! 

Choccoloccotide said:

This is false.  Show me a direct quote or some statement attributed to RFK Jr where he said he wanted to outlaw vaccines?  He wants vaccines to be safe and undergo the same scrutiny and trials any other meds we use have to go through.  He also wants the pharmaceutical companies to be able to held liable for vaccine injuries.  Which at the present they are not.  

This could happen that’s what it looks like and ok I stand corrected that Junior didn’t say it! You see that’s what taking ownership of something you said/done looks like, I’ve never seen that behavior from you or any MAGA folks including the leader of the cult! 

Everyone take a drink when you hear “deep state”. 

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mickeyrat said:

not a virus but an important advancement with this technology.

https://www.threads.net/@found_opal/post/DCZV_a4JUvS?xmt=AQGzfWlGEPcJbvI1ykwqkdJP9AmF0vizRMPiWE9v8jCAoQ

"MRNA technology that continues to save millions of lives from Covid..."

How accurate is that? 

Are you aware that MRNA technology has successfully been used in pigs to regenerate heart tissue after a heart attack, and is going to human trial next year?  When a person has an MI, the heart tissue is damaged beyond repair, which leads to eventual heart failure.  This will allow a 70 year old heart to beat with the strength of a 40 year old.  Second, MRNA is also in late testing of using your DNA cells to completely build a new heart and eventually other organs too.  

Just be sure your health choices are fully informed by your political inclinations.  That's always the wise choice.  

https://www.wsj.com/health/grow-heart-lung-tissue-medical-technology-24b22bb4

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mrussel1 said:

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josevolution said:

https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-jr-vaccine-ban-donald-trump-1986441

Gtfoh with Newsweek.  That’s nothing but a deep state propaganda outlet.  

That sounds so stupid and paranoid.  

Let's try this a different way.  Do you believe that parents that send their children to public schools should be mandated to have those children vaccinated against measles, mumps and polio?

Yes, b/c those vaccines’ development went through much more scrutiny and oversight than the supposed Covid vaccine did. The Covid vaccine was forced upon the populace by skipping over steps that were not skipped before in the development of those 3 vaccines.  Big Pharma also hid data from vax trials from the public and still do to this day.  One of Trump’s biggest missteps was Op warp speed.  I wish he would admit that.  So, back to your original question, yes I’m good with measles, mumps and polio vaxes.  The clot shot is a different ball of wax.  I don’t believe you can compare it with the vaccines you mentioned.

Just so you know, the Polio vaccine did not go through deep trials.  It was licensed in 1955 and released the same year.  And the vaccine was never more than 94% effective.  It relies on herd immunity to be effective.  

But did the world have two years or even one year to do trials? Once the virus started to move through our cities specially here in NY the death toll was staggering! 

Choccoloccotide said:

mrussel1 said:

Choccoloccotide said:

mrussel1 said:

Choccoloccotide said:

josevolution said:

https://www.newsweek.com/rfk-jr-vaccine-ban-donald-trump-1986441

Gtfoh with Newsweek.  That’s nothing but a deep state propaganda outlet.  

That sounds so stupid and paranoid.  

Let's try this a different way.  Do you believe that parents that send their children to public schools should be mandated to have those children vaccinated against measles, mumps and polio?

Yes, b/c those vaccines’ development went through much more scrutiny and oversight than the supposed Covid vaccine did. The Covid vaccine was forced upon the populace by skipping over steps that were not skipped before in the development of those 3 vaccines.  Big Pharma also hid data from vax trials from the public and still do to this day.  One of Trump’s biggest missteps was Op warp speed.  I wish he would admit that.  So, back to your original question, yes I’m good with measles, mumps and polio vaxes.  The clot shot is a different ball of wax.  I don’t believe you can compare it with the vaccines you mentioned.

Just so you know, the Polio vaccine did not go through deep trials.  It was licensed in 1955 and released the same year.  And the vaccine was never more than 94% effective.  It relies on herd immunity to be effective.  

I obviously didn’t know that.  Thanks for the info.

No offense, but this is what is frustrating.  When you're in a crisis, you can't go through the perfect level of testing and try to get something to 99.99% effective.  From 48-55, the US was in the midst of another polio outbreak, so the gov't decided the risk was worth it.  And it was.  Same thing here.  Now do we know whether the virus would have mutated enough to be the lower risk it is today if we didn't have the vaccine?  Of course we don't.  We will never know that answer and frankly we should not know such an answer, as it would mean setting up large scale test and control while the disease raged. 

When in a crisis, you have to make tough decisions with imperfect information.  That's what the Trump admin did in this case and I agree with their decision.