#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,345
    edited November 2024
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
    I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.
    I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election. 
    They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time. 

    I would love to see some strong evidence that there will be another election in 2028.  The Felon has all three branches of the government tied to his wagon.  I sorry to be throwing a major downer into the conversation, but nothing is certain at this point.  We are in precarious times.  This is why it's important for everyone who loves freedom and democracy to not give in to despondency.
    I disagree with that for a few reasons. If trump was going to stop elections to remain in power, wouldn't he have done it in 2020?
    And he's old, he's not going to live forever. Even if he wanted to stay in the WH forever, he won't last much longer than 4 years.
    Even then, it takes 2/3 majority to change the constitution. So unless we expect some dems to support that and keeping him or his appointees in power, it just isn't happening. 
    There will be an election in 2028, and If I were a betting man I'd bet on a flip again.


    Trumps demand that the new senate allow recess appointments is an extremely strong rebuttal to the “Trump will not be an authoritarian “ argument. 

    I realize that’s not exactly the “we won’t have an election again” comment, but it’s a major push for outsized presidential power and a demand the senate change their long standing rules to not only accommodate him but to give him more power.


    edit, once the senate “sells” this right to the president in exchange for a leadership role, it very well may exist beyond the next four years
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,160
    smile6680 said:
    I laugh at how it's the same few people posting over and over again. It took me a while to catch onto this. 
    A bunch of jabronis did come out after the win acting like they’ve been here the entire time and ran their mouths. But yeah,there isn’t much variety in this eChOcHaMbEr.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,755
    edited November 2024
    Tim Simmons said:
    smile6680 said:
    I laugh at how it's the same few people posting over and over again. It took me a while to catch onto this. 
    A bunch of jabronis did come out after the win acting like they’ve been here the entire time and ran their mouths. But yeah,there isn’t much variety in this eChOcHaMbEr.

    Which is too bad because there used to be more.
    And too bad instead of just making an occasional hit-and-run sarcastic comment, some of the infrequent jabsters here don't take a more active, involved role.  I guess it's just easier to jab.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,643

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,160
    I love this stupid fucking country. Wouldn’t trade it for anywhere else. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,633
    God as my witness I had no idea they had to pay for celebrity appearances. That's insane. Would you donate to a campaign if you knew they were blowing a million on Oprah?

    https://thespectator.com/newsletter/kamala-harris-ran-the-fyre-festival-of-campaigns-bad-press-11-11-2024/


  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,633
    Am I allowed to ask if Ed and Jeff collected a fee for sitting down with Doug lol
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,160
    So dumb. Hilarious that the artists got paid though
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,633
    Tim Simmons said:
    So dumb. Hilarious that the artists got paid though
    Oprah is a billionaire and has no qualms taking a million bucks from a Presidential campaign?

    I legit thought this was a civic responsibility thing. There is no bottom!
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,987
    yeah, hard to take someone seriously if they only do it for a massive amount of money. that's low. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,755
    People actually form their political opinions based on what celebrities say?  WTF?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,016
    pjl44 said:
    God as my witness I had no idea they had to pay for celebrity appearances. That's insane. Would you donate to a campaign if you knew they were blowing a million on Oprah?

    https://thespectator.com/newsletter/kamala-harris-ran-the-fyre-festival-of-campaigns-bad-press-11-11-2024/


    I just learned that today.
    Pretty stupid. It’s not an endorsement if you’re paid to do it.
    I assumed she was donated millions to the campaign, not collecting it.
    Not that I’ve ever cared what a celebrity who lives a completely different lifestyle than me thinks.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Fuck that Cheeto Hitler. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,016
    Philly NJ said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Philly NJ said:
    Trump posted plans to move Education from DC  to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core. 
    trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.
    In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
    It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.

    trump's nazi coalition most likely sees it as a way to cut spending
    It is not working as is. We already "spend" more money per student than most, and have little to nothing to show for it. That is pretty much everywhere with Government.
    We also probably have more expenses per student that most countries I would guess.
    A lot of school give 2 free meals a day. Free bussing.  The amount we spend on language services is probably way higher than almost any other country. I would also be curious to know if other counties spend on Sped services like we do.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,633
    brianlux said:
    People actually form their political opinions based on what celebrities say?  WTF?
    I found it goofy even when I thought it was free!
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,160
    Few form their opinions based on celebrity, but people like to feel validated which is why you have them. 
  • PJINFLA
    PJINFLA Posts: 845
    Yes that Ed & Jeff discussion with the nebbish second gentlemen was all the validation I needed.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,755
    Tim Simmons said:
    Few form their opinions based on celebrity, but people like to feel validated which is why you have them. 

    Yeah, that's true.  I'm just not convinced that its a good thing that so much of politics gets paraded around by celebrity endorsements via the entertainment world in America.  The same is not nearly as true elsewhere.    Oh well, it's here to stay.
    pjl44 said:
    brianlux said:
    People actually form their political opinions based on what celebrities say?  WTF?
    I found it goofy even when I thought it was free!

    Goofy it 'tis!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,160
    Endorsements from anywhere. Celebs, papers, other pols, don’t really move the needle. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,633
    I think the effectiveness is beside the point. These transactions are completely obnoxious.
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