#47 - Musk/trump/Vance
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It is not working as is. We already "spend" more money per student than most, and have little to nothing to show for it. That is pretty much everywhere with Government.Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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This is how everyone knows you lack education and/or knowledge to that which you speak on.Tim Simmons said:Common Core is great. Sorry you can’t figure it out.
America was the world leader in education in the 60s and 70s.
In the 80s they created the department of education
America is now 16th out of 81 countries when testing last occurred in 2022.
Any questions? DOE is a failure. Common Core is abject utter failure on all scopes.
Trump is right. Abolish DOE.0 -
"You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians."mace1229 said:
I disagree with that for a few reasons. If trump was going to stop elections to remain in power, wouldn't he have done it in 2020?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.Gern Blansten said:What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election.
They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time.
I would love to see some strong evidence that there will be another election in 2028. The Felon has all three branches of the government tied to his wagon. I sorry to be throwing a major downer into the conversation, but nothing is certain at this point. We are in precarious times. This is why it's important for everyone who loves freedom and democracy to not give in to despondency.
And he's old, he's not going to live forever. Even if he wanted to stay in the WH forever, he won't last much longer than 4 years.
Even then, it takes 2/3 majority to change the constitution. So unless we expect some dems to support that and keeping him or his appointees in power, it just isn't happening.
There will be an election in 2028, and If I were a betting man I'd bet on a flip again.What did he mean by this then? Even if you say he was talking to Christians as a group that doesn’t usually vote as an explanation for most of the language he uses here, what the hell does he mean by “it will be fixed”?0 -
wtf does this even mean? what are we supposed to show? This is the most empty platitude I've ever read.Philly NJ said:
and have little to nothing to show for it.Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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Theres gonna be a lot of kids in Red states that are gonna get set back because the states are gonna set the agenda. But I guess thats sort of the point of doing this, isn't it?jimjam1982 said:
This is how everyone knows you lack education and/or knowledge to that which you speak on.Tim Simmons said:Common Core is great. Sorry you can’t figure it out.
America was the world leader in education in the 60s and 70s.
In the 80s they created the department of education
America is now 16th out of 81 countries when testing last occurred in 2022.
Any questions? DOE is a failure. Common Core is abject utter failure on all scopes.
Trump is right. Abolish DOE.0 -
It means the DOE is a blotted bureaucracy that needs to be abolished given that the large amount of money allocated to it has not improved the education of Americans. If you think the DOE is fine as is, ok. But I am more than happy to see it go or at least revamped.Tim Simmons said:
wtf does this even mean? what are we supposed to show? This is the most empty platitude I've ever read.Philly NJ said:
and have little to nothing to show for it.Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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Thanks for the info, I guess we could learn a lesson or two from you guys, though not from the incoming administration obviously.Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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mace1229 said:
I disagree with that for a few reasons. If trump was going to stop elections to remain in power, wouldn't he have done it in 2020?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.Gern Blansten said:What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election.
They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time.
I would love to see some strong evidence that there will be another election in 2028. The Felon has all three branches of the government tied to his wagon. I sorry to be throwing a major downer into the conversation, but nothing is certain at this point. We are in precarious times. This is why it's important for everyone who loves freedom and democracy to not give in to despondency.
And he's old, he's not going to live forever. Even if he wanted to stay in the WH forever, he won't last much longer than 4 years.
Even then, it takes 2/3 majority to change the constitution. So unless we expect some dems to support that and keeping him or his appointees in power, it just isn't happening.
There will be an election in 2028, and If I were a betting man I'd bet on a flip again.
Well, of course I hope you are right. But the fact that he would even say "you won't have to vote again", and that he controls all three branches of government- that alone is cause for great concern. And don't forget, he is not working alone. Some of the wealthiest people in the world are behind all his shit. And remember, as of this coming January, we are no longer living in a democracy.
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RiotZact said:
"You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians."mace1229 said:
I disagree with that for a few reasons. If trump was going to stop elections to remain in power, wouldn't he have done it in 2020?brianlux said:mace1229 said:
I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.Gern Blansten said:What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election.
They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time.
I would love to see some strong evidence that there will be another election in 2028. The Felon has all three branches of the government tied to his wagon. I sorry to be throwing a major downer into the conversation, but nothing is certain at this point. We are in precarious times. This is why it's important for everyone who loves freedom and democracy to not give in to despondency.
And he's old, he's not going to live forever. Even if he wanted to stay in the WH forever, he won't last much longer than 4 years.
Even then, it takes 2/3 majority to change the constitution. So unless we expect some dems to support that and keeping him or his appointees in power, it just isn't happening.
There will be an election in 2028, and If I were a betting man I'd bet on a flip again.What did he mean by this then? Even if you say he was talking to Christians as a group that doesn’t usually vote as an explanation for most of the language he uses here, what the hell does he mean by “it will be fixed”?
Excellent questions.
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The theory is there is redundancy and the states could handle it fine. If a federal DOE had such influence, wouldn't you be worried about that in a Republic administration? Especially a Trump-led one? Wouldn't you want your blue state to operate independently from that?Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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It's kinda like the push for centralized national health care. You want that run by a Republican if you're a Democrat?0
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No one has seemed to worry about that until trump started talking about doing away with it.pjl44 said:
The theory is there is redundancy and the states could handle it fine. If a federal DOE had such influence, wouldn't you be worried about that in a Republic administration? Especially a Trump-led one? Wouldn't you want your blue state to operate independently from that?Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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Seems like another marker. High school graduation rate and average SAT scores. But hey, education? Who needs it?Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Tim Simmons said:Common Core is great. Sorry you can’t figure it out.
I agree 1000%
I didnt know what it is, but helping my kids over the years.... at first I can be confused for sure. Once I figure out what they are showing the kids, it makes a lot of sense. It provides a mastery of numbers that conventional math from the 60s and 70s cannot provide.0 -
There’s a logic to it, that once you figure it out you realize any other way to learn it is dumb.0
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LOL...it frustrated me but I trusted it. I'm an accountant so it was really hard to learn math a different way.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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You should ask parents of kids with disabilities and teachers who work with them if the want the Ed Department to go away.Philly NJ said:
It means the DOE is a blotted bureaucracy that needs to be abolished given that the large amount of money allocated to it has not improved the education of Americans. If you think the DOE is fine as is, ok. But I am more than happy to see it go or at least revamped.Tim Simmons said:
wtf does this even mean? what are we supposed to show? This is the most empty platitude I've ever read.Philly NJ said:
and have little to nothing to show for it.Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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Its not about bloat. Its not even in the top 5 departments in terms of spending. Its about slashing services to areas where the government has input. Now states can privatize this, where governors will then give contracts to private companies to handle curriculum. Private companies made up of the connected, friends, donors and connections. basically just moving "the swamp" to the state level.Philly NJ said:
It means the DOE is a blotted bureaucracy that needs to be abolished given that the large amount of money allocated to it has not improved the education of Americans. If you think the DOE is fine as is, ok. But I am more than happy to see it go or at least revamped.Tim Simmons said:
wtf does this even mean? what are we supposed to show? This is the most empty platitude I've ever read.Philly NJ said:
and have little to nothing to show for it.Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
trump's nazi coalition most likely sees it as a way to cut spending
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Yeah that's kinda what I'm saying. I don't think anyone would really miss it.Gern Blansten said:
No one has seemed to worry about that until trump started talking about doing away with it.pjl44 said:
The theory is there is redundancy and the states could handle it fine. If a federal DOE had such influence, wouldn't you be worried about that in a Republic administration? Especially a Trump-led one? Wouldn't you want your blue state to operate independently from that?Gern Blansten said:
It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.DarthMaeglin said:
In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.Gern Blansten said:
trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.Philly NJ said:Trump posted plans to move Education from DC to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
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I laugh at how it's the same few people posting over and over again. It took me a while to catch onto this.0
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