2024 US Election - Predictions

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.

No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....

"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."

I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.

There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.

I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.

No, whatever Mahomes comment you're talking about wasn't me. But yes, we do see if differently. While I do think sexism exists, I don't think it's why Clinton or Harris lost. Clinton lost by underestimating the Trump sideshow. And Harris lost because of the reasons I've already listed. But if women have it so tough, here's an idea, don't just install one as a candidate for president without a vote. Because as was the case in 2020, the democratic electorate would not have chosen Harris. 

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.

No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....

"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."

I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.

There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.

I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.

brianlux said:

Hawk123 said:

brianlux said:

jerparker20 said:

OnWis97 said:

Inflation was the biggest driver. I think "Trans Women in Sports" was a close second with the border 3rd. Harris did a terrible job of really addressing any of those, but given the economy, I don't think the party had a chance. As Project 2025 moves into implementation with the backing of the most party-loyal federal court system in US history, some people may regret their vote. By then it will be too late. Even an optimistic Dem/lib has to recognize that the next people to experience a balanced court system have not even been born yet.

This necessary downturn Elon has mentioned will probably come from a very swift firing of a million or so federal employees. Further, I'm not a federal employee but am one of several hundred thousand likely to end up unemployed in 2025 or 2026.

We're not really going to have a functioning federal government, which is part of the appeal. Trump is no longer surrounded by so many normies/establishment (depending on your POV). It's all people that want to make a big splash against wokeness, government spending, secularism, and feminism. They don't actually care about running an efficient government. They care about getting rich and, to an extent, destroying the government. I guess their contempt for federal employees will be accepted since they're lazy government workers. But Elon's one-size-fits-all belief in slashing staff is going to cause a lot of problems for the way the federal government operates along with a big spike in unemployment. He's about to become the most powerful non-governmental figure in US history.

I work in state government. A large percentage of our work is funded by the federal government. I’m fully expecting to not have a job a year from now. My wife works for a public health research consulting firm. Their primary clients are the CDC and Dept of Health. Her firm will likely shutter as well.

If they go through with their slashing of government workforce and turn off funding, there will be a massive economic hit to the country. Not to mention the disruption in government service people have come to expect.

Yes, and I'm sorry to hear this could affect you folks.  

My wife pointed out that a lot of people voted for Trump simply because they want their grocery store bill to be lower.  Their short-sighted thinking illustrates the stupidity that is rampant among MAGAs.  They actually think all this is going to make their lives better.  They are in for the wake-up call of their lives and it will be too late.  This country is fucked.

Your wife is probably right, it doesn’t take much to sway a voter when it comes to helping their wallet. I can only assume on a day like this, Trump and his gang of crooks sit around and say holy shit, I can’t believe these idiots fell for it again. Whose idea was the dog eating story? Alright, here’s your new job for the next 4 years and we’ll enjoy 300 rounds of golf a year on me. 

Agreed, Hawk.  You can see it in the smug look on his face in the latest photos.  It's a classic "laughing all the way to the bank" scenario.

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Man what a thread. Go forth and prosper people, way too much nastiness in here for your own good.  

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I have zero people on mine

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.

No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....

"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."

I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.

There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.

I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.

No, whatever Mahomes comment you're talking about wasn't me. But yes, we do see if differently. While I do think sexism exists, I don't think it's why Clinton or Harris lost. Clinton lost by underestimating the Trump sideshow. And Harris lost because of the reasons I've already listed. But if women have it so tough, here's an idea, don't just install one as a candidate for president without a vote. Because as was the case in 2020, the democratic electorate would not have chosen Harris. 

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.

No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....

"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."

I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.

There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.

I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.

I do generally agree with you on the sexism, but something struck me as counter.  And maybe it's because the presidency is inherently different than the senate.  In Michigan and WI, we have two women about to defeat two men in the senate, when Trump won the states.  Do you think people perceive those jobs (pres and senator) as different?  

I do think the presidency is different. I think with 100 senators, people that do not like the idea of a woman president are ok sending a woman to 0.5% of the senate.

brianlux said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I have zero people on mine

I support your choice, and I do mine.

I tricked you. This means I am not on the list. 

Think again.  Adios.

Whoa...brianlux on fire handing out blocks like Oprah hands out gifts!!! You get a car and you get a car and you get....
I have 1 person on my list.  Was there once, took them off, had to put them back on.  I don't wanna get banned.

Not wanting to get banned is one of the reasons why I have a growing ignore list.  I won't wast my time arguing with fools on the internet, and they having nothing to say worth my time reading.