United States port workers strike

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cincybearcat said:

Get to work

From what I've read the last couple days.
Top wage is basically $39 an hour, and they want the new contract to add $5 an hour, each year, for 6 years. Bringing their wages to $69 an hour. 
I've read that as of now with their overtime, many of them are making $150k a year. 

jerparker20 said:

I’m a life long union guy, but the demands for 70% over six and no automation are absurd. 

Also the union president, Harold Daggett, his rhetoric of “… going to cripple the people of this country until everyone knows who the longshoremen are” can fuck right off.

The guy is one of those old, mafia stooges. Tried twice by DOJ under RICO. Walked in one of the case s cause the main witness didn’t testify since he was decomposing in the trunk of a car. A real piece of trash.

Definitely an outrageous ask. 
They supposedly turned down a nearly 50% wage increase. I'm generally on the side of labor in most of these situations, but this one needs a Ronnie Ray-gun to the air traffic controllers type response.

I like to see the Unions ask for something.  It helps all the labor forces across the US. They offered 50% increase without a blink of an eye.  How much more could they afford to give up?

Ronny Raygun was within his right to fire the ATC.  It was risky though.  If planes started crashing because of his decision to use "almost" trained ATC's then there would have been no 2nd term and perhaps an impeachment.  Ballsy move that panned out and put a setback on Unions for the next decade or so and most likely why Walmart and Amazon were never unionized for years.  They wrote books on how to handle Unions.

So I am for what the Longshoremen are doing.  I will install a bidet so I don't have to worry about toilet paper for a while.

Toilet paper is mostly a NA business...you don't have to worry about toilet paper coming in from overseas really.

I am not pro very many unions or their decisions.  And this one lost me 100% when they demanded no automation... just a stupid, unrealistic demand that shows them to be unserious people.

We import 3.1bil in TP so I'd check that but in the meantime I'll still get the Bidet...

I forgot to mention the AI thing.  That is absurd. Jerparker said what Andrew Yang has been saying about trucking, get training for a new job.
That is what they should be also looking for.

Something else I thought about in reading the against posts here, reminds me of the mining jobs in places like West Virginia or the Auto Worker jobs in Detroit.  These people lost their jobs and never recovered.  There was no contingency plan.

I'm for the Unions getting more but there needs to be a plan B and not go running off a cliff like a lemming.

Thanks you two for that insight.

All the good toilet paper is made in the USA is what I really meant...was focused on the good brand with high quality...not that stuff you find in public restrooms

lol I cant stand charmin.

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cincybearcat said:

Get to work

From what I've read the last couple days.
Top wage is basically $39 an hour, and they want the new contract to add $5 an hour, each year, for 6 years. Bringing their wages to $69 an hour. 
I've read that as of now with their overtime, many of them are making $150k a year. 

jerparker20 said:

I’m a life long union guy, but the demands for 70% over six and no automation are absurd. 

Also the union president, Harold Daggett, his rhetoric of “… going to cripple the people of this country until everyone knows who the longshoremen are” can fuck right off.

The guy is one of those old, mafia stooges. Tried twice by DOJ under RICO. Walked in one of the case s cause the main witness didn’t testify since he was decomposing in the trunk of a car. A real piece of trash.

Definitely an outrageous ask. 
They supposedly turned down a nearly 50% wage increase. I'm generally on the side of labor in most of these situations, but this one needs a Ronnie Ray-gun to the air traffic controllers type response.

I like to see the Unions ask for something.  It helps all the labor forces across the US. They offered 50% increase without a blink of an eye.  How much more could they afford to give up?

Ronny Raygun was within his right to fire the ATC.  It was risky though.  If planes started crashing because of his decision to use "almost" trained ATC's then there would have been no 2nd term and perhaps an impeachment.  Ballsy move that panned out and put a setback on Unions for the next decade or so and most likely why Walmart and Amazon were never unionized for years.  They wrote books on how to handle Unions.

So I am for what the Longshoremen are doing.  I will install a bidet so I don't have to worry about toilet paper for a while.

Toilet paper is mostly a NA business...you don't have to worry about toilet paper coming in from overseas really.

I am not pro very many unions or their decisions.  And this one lost me 100% when they demanded no automation... just a stupid, unrealistic demand that shows them to be unserious people.

We import 3.1bil in TP so I'd check that but in the meantime I'll still get the Bidet...

I forgot to mention the AI thing.  That is absurd. Jerparker said what Andrew Yang has been saying about trucking, get training for a new job.
That is what they should be also looking for.

Something else I thought about in reading the against posts here, reminds me of the mining jobs in places like West Virginia or the Auto Worker jobs in Detroit.  These people lost their jobs and never recovered.  There was no contingency plan.

I'm for the Unions getting more but there needs to be a plan B and not go running off a cliff like a lemming.

Thanks you two for that insight.

All the good toilet paper is made in the USA is what I really meant...was focused on the good brand with high quality...not that stuff you find in public restrooms

The John Wayne TP. Rough, tough, and don’t take any shit.

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cincybearcat said:

Get to work

From what I've read the last couple days.
Top wage is basically $39 an hour, and they want the new contract to add $5 an hour, each year, for 6 years. Bringing their wages to $69 an hour. 
I've read that as of now with their overtime, many of them are making $150k a year. 

jerparker20 said:

I’m a life long union guy, but the demands for 70% over six and no automation are absurd. 

Also the union president, Harold Daggett, his rhetoric of “… going to cripple the people of this country until everyone knows who the longshoremen are” can fuck right off.

The guy is one of those old, mafia stooges. Tried twice by DOJ under RICO. Walked in one of the case s cause the main witness didn’t testify since he was decomposing in the trunk of a car. A real piece of trash.

Definitely an outrageous ask. 
They supposedly turned down a nearly 50% wage increase. I'm generally on the side of labor in most of these situations, but this one needs a Ronnie Ray-gun to the air traffic controllers type response.

I like to see the Unions ask for something.  It helps all the labor forces across the US. They offered 50% increase without a blink of an eye.  How much more could they afford to give up?

Ronny Raygun was within his right to fire the ATC.  It was risky though.  If planes started crashing because of his decision to use "almost" trained ATC's then there would have been no 2nd term and perhaps an impeachment.  Ballsy move that panned out and put a setback on Unions for the next decade or so and most likely why Walmart and Amazon were never unionized for years.  They wrote books on how to handle Unions.

So I am for what the Longshoremen are doing.  I will install a bidet so I don't have to worry about toilet paper for a while.

Toilet paper is mostly a NA business...you don't have to worry about toilet paper coming in from overseas really.

I am not pro very many unions or their decisions.  And this one lost me 100% when they demanded no automation... just a stupid, unrealistic demand that shows them to be unserious people.

We import 3.1bil in TP so I'd check that but in the meantime I'll still get the Bidet...

I forgot to mention the AI thing.  That is absurd. Jerparker said what Andrew Yang has been saying about trucking, get training for a new job.
That is what they should be also looking for.

Something else I thought about in reading the against posts here, reminds me of the mining jobs in places like West Virginia or the Auto Worker jobs in Detroit.  These people lost their jobs and never recovered.  There was no contingency plan.

I'm for the Unions getting more but there needs to be a plan B and not go running off a cliff like a lemming.

Thanks you two for that insight.

All the good toilet paper is made in the USA is what I really meant...was focused on the good brand with high quality...not that stuff you find in public restrooms

lol I cant stand charmin.

I …. I… I better not say what I’m thinking or I’ll be banned!

i come from a union family. i support unions. but some of this is ridiculous. who gets 50% pay increase over 5 years? the only people i know that do that are commissioned sales people that blow it out of the water every year, year over year.

i had one bad experience with union workers a few years ago. i was working in a surgeon's office and we ordered new plinths for the exam rooms. one day while the doc was out of the office 3 guys came and delivered them. i was told to open one and make sure they were the correct tables, otherwise box them up and have returned to the shipper. anyway, i opened one of them and took it out of the huge shipping box. it was about 6 feet long and 3 feet tall. it ended up being the wrong type of table. i tried to box it up and asked one of the three guys standing there if they could put their hand on one of the box flaps so i can tape it up. i was told "we are movers, not packers. you will have to call the packers for that." it's like, dude, all i need you to do is set your one hand on top of this box flap. nothing more. not even your full body weight. just a hand on the flap to hold it down. after that i was like fuck those guys. it ended up taking 2 days for the packers to get there to finish packing up the table.

it's like, they dropped the shit off, why did they not leave? they just stood there as i opened and then tried to box up the table. must have been taking one of their 11 breaks or something.

josevolution said:

teskeinc said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cincybearcat said:

Get to work

From what I've read the last couple days.
Top wage is basically $39 an hour, and they want the new contract to add $5 an hour, each year, for 6 years. Bringing their wages to $69 an hour. 
I've read that as of now with their overtime, many of them are making $150k a year. 

They will get a big raise when Trump wins with no tax on overtime.

That’s what he promised them when their union president visited Marlago! 🍊 piece of 💩 started with torpedoing the border bill and now he wants to reek havoc by getting these idiots to strike at this very convenient time right before election! It’s all about cheating he doesn’t know any other way to win 

I'm not an idiot. 

Mikemzl91 said:

ILA all the way!!

So I heard Pete talking about this today.  He was saying that when the average income went up 41% during the last 2 years (which I did not verify, but seems crazy high...maybe he meant or said inflation and I mixed it up?) that these individuals income only went up 15%.  Well no duh...that is 1 of the issues with unions, you lock in a contract at a rate.  Still no mention that 60-70% is still larger than that $.  No discussion on the automation portion (which makes sense cause it is so braindead that there is no way to defend it).

So - I can see wanting an increase that seems above the norm due to being locked in on a previous contract (but you did negotiate it and vote for it...and that is what you get with a union).  I am still not certain how the 50% raise that was offered isn't meeting that standard though.

Pete was trying to being the record profits of the shipping companies into it and bringing up that 1 person in 1 company's new worth went up $14 billion...of course that was all due to stock prices and is until sold unrealized.

There is serious risk to the economy here...and I do not like the rhetoric from the Biden admin.  Hopefully the management comes back with a roughly ~60% raise and no guarantee on automation but some sort of guarantee on $ for training to work with automation.  

Gern Blansten said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cincybearcat said:

Get to work

From what I've read the last couple days.
Top wage is basically $39 an hour, and they want the new contract to add $5 an hour, each year, for 6 years. Bringing their wages to $69 an hour. 
I've read that as of now with their overtime, many of them are making $150k a year. 

jerparker20 said:

I’m a life long union guy, but the demands for 70% over six and no automation are absurd. 

Also the union president, Harold Daggett, his rhetoric of “… going to cripple the people of this country until everyone knows who the longshoremen are” can fuck right off.

The guy is one of those old, mafia stooges. Tried twice by DOJ under RICO. Walked in one of the case s cause the main witness didn’t testify since he was decomposing in the trunk of a car. A real piece of trash.

Definitely an outrageous ask. 
They supposedly turned down a nearly 50% wage increase. I'm generally on the side of labor in most of these situations, but this one needs a Ronnie Ray-gun to the air traffic controllers type response.

I like to see the Unions ask for something.  It helps all the labor forces across the US. They offered 50% increase without a blink of an eye.  How much more could they afford to give up?

Ronny Raygun was within his right to fire the ATC.  It was risky though.  If planes started crashing because of his decision to use "almost" trained ATC's then there would have been no 2nd term and perhaps an impeachment.  Ballsy move that panned out and put a setback on Unions for the next decade or so and most likely why Walmart and Amazon were never unionized for years.  They wrote books on how to handle Unions.

So I am for what the Longshoremen are doing.  I will install a bidet so I don't have to worry about toilet paper for a while.

Toilet paper is mostly a NA business...you don't have to worry about toilet paper coming in from overseas really.

I am not pro very many unions or their decisions.  And this one lost me 100% when they demanded no automation... just a stupid, unrealistic demand that shows them to be unserious people.

We import 3.1bil in TP so I'd check that but in the meantime I'll still get the Bidet...

I forgot to mention the AI thing.  That is absurd. Jerparker said what Andrew Yang has been saying about trucking, get training for a new job.
That is what they should be also looking for.

Something else I thought about in reading the against posts here, reminds me of the mining jobs in places like West Virginia or the Auto Worker jobs in Detroit.  These people lost their jobs and never recovered.  There was no contingency plan.

I'm for the Unions getting more but there needs to be a plan B and not go running off a cliff like a lemming.

Thanks you two for that insight.

All the good toilet paper is made in the USA is what I really meant...was focused on the good brand with high quality...not that stuff you find in public restrooms

I'm all about the Scott one-ply from Costco. We have an ejector pit in our house so nothing can be flushed except human waste and cheap toilet paper. First world probs

My ex-brother in law, who was nothing but a piece of shit, who I would have liked to use as toilet paper.......
Once said to me....

When grocery shopping, NEVER go cheap when it comes to buying toilet paper. 

Probably the only smart words to come out of that assholes mouth. 

but one ply gives you many options...you can basically make it two ply or three ply (or 4...5?) by simply winding more off the roll.

LOVE my one ply

Definitely the way to go if you like having to wash shit off your hands.

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

cincybearcat said:

Get to work

From what I've read the last couple days.
Top wage is basically $39 an hour, and they want the new contract to add $5 an hour, each year, for 6 years. Bringing their wages to $69 an hour. 
I've read that as of now with their overtime, many of them are making $150k a year. 

jerparker20 said:

I’m a life long union guy, but the demands for 70% over six and no automation are absurd. 

Also the union president, Harold Daggett, his rhetoric of “… going to cripple the people of this country until everyone knows who the longshoremen are” can fuck right off.

The guy is one of those old, mafia stooges. Tried twice by DOJ under RICO. Walked in one of the case s cause the main witness didn’t testify since he was decomposing in the trunk of a car. A real piece of trash.

Definitely an outrageous ask. 
They supposedly turned down a nearly 50% wage increase. I'm generally on the side of labor in most of these situations, but this one needs a Ronnie Ray-gun to the air traffic controllers type response.

I like to see the Unions ask for something.  It helps all the labor forces across the US. They offered 50% increase without a blink of an eye.  How much more could they afford to give up?

Ronny Raygun was within his right to fire the ATC.  It was risky though.  If planes started crashing because of his decision to use "almost" trained ATC's then there would have been no 2nd term and perhaps an impeachment.  Ballsy move that panned out and put a setback on Unions for the next decade or so and most likely why Walmart and Amazon were never unionized for years.  They wrote books on how to handle Unions.

So I am for what the Longshoremen are doing.  I will install a bidet so I don't have to worry about toilet paper for a while.

Toilet paper is mostly a NA business...you don't have to worry about toilet paper coming in from overseas really.

I am not pro very many unions or their decisions.  And this one lost me 100% when they demanded no automation... just a stupid, unrealistic demand that shows them to be unserious people.

We import 3.1bil in TP so I'd check that but in the meantime I'll still get the Bidet...

I forgot to mention the AI thing.  That is absurd. Jerparker said what Andrew Yang has been saying about trucking, get training for a new job.
That is what they should be also looking for.

Something else I thought about in reading the against posts here, reminds me of the mining jobs in places like West Virginia or the Auto Worker jobs in Detroit.  These people lost their jobs and never recovered.  There was no contingency plan.

I'm for the Unions getting more but there needs to be a plan B and not go running off a cliff like a lemming.

Thanks you two for that insight.

All the good toilet paper is made in the USA is what I really meant...was focused on the good brand with high quality...not that stuff you find in public restrooms

I'm all about the Scott one-ply from Costco. We have an ejector pit in our house so nothing can be flushed except human waste and cheap toilet paper. First world probs

My ex-brother in law, who was nothing but a piece of shit, who I would have liked to use as toilet paper.......
Once said to me....

When grocery shopping, NEVER go cheap when it comes to buying toilet paper. 

Probably the only smart words to come out of that assholes mouth. 

but one ply gives you many options...you can basically make it two ply or three ply (or 4...5?) by simply winding more off the roll.

LOVE my one ply

Definitely the way to go if you like having to wash shit off your hands.

You need to see a doctor if you are having that issue. That's never happened to me. Maybe adjust your diet?

Never happened to me either as I use real american toilet paper...made by americans in america from responsibly forested NA trees.

😂😂😂