** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **
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Difference of 4-5 minutes in a 90 minute debate is marginal.The Juggler said:
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.0 -
Not when the majority of those five minutes constitutes the last word on just about every topic--hence the 16 more times he spoke. That is not how the rules were set up, I believe.mace1229 said:
Difference of 4-5 minutes in a 90 minute debate is marginal.The Juggler said:
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.
Luckily for America, Donald Trump is a fucking idiot who repeatedly shot himself in the foot with all those last words...including his closing statement.www.myspace.com0 -
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Yup. He completely unraveled last night.The Juggler said:
Not when the majority of those five minutes constitutes the last word on just about every topic--hence the 16 more times he spoke. That is not how the rules were set up, I believe.mace1229 said:
Difference of 4-5 minutes in a 90 minute debate is marginal.The Juggler said:
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.
Luckily for America, Donald Trump is a fucking idiot who repeatedly shot himself in the foot with all those last words...including his closing statement.
Even Lindsay Graham knew she dogwalked him.0 -
47% of time for Harris, 53% for trump....mace1229 said:
Difference of 4-5 minutes in a 90 minute debate is marginal.The Juggler said:
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.Post edited by Gern Blansten onRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I agree with most of what is being said about the debate.Gern Blansten said:
47% of time for Harris, 53% for trump....mace1229 said:
Difference of 4-5 minutes in a 90 minute debate is marginal.The Juggler said:
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.
Only 2 differences in my opinion is Harris didn't look good either, Trump just looked a lot worse. She didn't have to make any good points, she just had to let Trump talk in order to win. But by doing so, you don't get your message out and you don't make yourself look strong either. I don't think she started out strong. She didn't answer questions either. She just didn't make any really weird statements that made you stop and be like "Wait, what? What cult is she in?" That's a pretty low bar though if that's what we expect in a president.
And that difference in time is negligible. Who cares about 47 - 53% talking time. Trump got more rebuttals because he asked for it. I don't recall Harris being cut off or denied a chance to speak. Trump asked for a chance to respond and got it every time. She didn't. I just don't see this as being an issue one way or another.0 -
https://abcnews.go.com/538/early-polls-harris-won-presidential-debate/story?id=113590484
Early polls say Harris won the presidential debate
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As of 1 p.m. Eastern, 538 has collected three national polls and one swing-state poll that were conducted since the debate.* In all of them, more people who watched the debate said Harris won the debate than said Trump did. On average, 57 percent of debate watchers nationally said Harris turned in the better performance; only 34 percent said Trump did.
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I don't know, though - Trump said after the debate that he won, and he's never lied before about something he didn't win, so I don't know what to believe guys.0 -
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I think Harris won the debate last night, but I think she was in the same position as Biden was in June. There wasn't much to gain in debating Donald Trump but a lot to lose with a bad performance. Does last night sway anyone in the key states that will decide this election? Or as John Stewart would put it in "Pawinevmiazgnac" outside if him saying Fuck Dick Cheney.
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I think your analysis is way off base. He spoke 16 more times than she did. That is significant. Most of those times were to have the final word, which was not part of the rules. Usually the audience remembers the final thing the candidate says more than the rest....which is why Trump opted to give his closing statement last. So, yes, those extra 30-45 seconds at the end of every top mattered....only it backfired on him because he's just not up for this anymore.mace1229 said:
I agree with most of what is being said about the debate.Gern Blansten said:
47% of time for Harris, 53% for trump....mace1229 said:
Difference of 4-5 minutes in a 90 minute debate is marginal.The Juggler said:
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.
Only 2 differences in my opinion is Harris didn't look good either, Trump just looked a lot worse. She didn't have to make any good points, she just had to let Trump talk in order to win. But by doing so, you don't get your message out and you don't make yourself look strong either. I don't think she started out strong. She didn't answer questions either. She just didn't make any really weird statements that made you stop and be like "Wait, what? What cult is she in?" That's a pretty low bar though if that's what we expect in a president.
And that difference in time is negligible. Who cares about 47 - 53% talking time. Trump got more rebuttals because he asked for it. I don't recall Harris being cut off or denied a chance to speak. Trump asked for a chance to respond and got it every time. She didn't. I just don't see this as being an issue one way or another.
Also---Harris didn't look good either? I'm sorry...what? I think your bias is showing. You can argue she evaded some questions but that is what every candidate does in a debate when asked something they don't like. I understand you do not agree with her on a lot. But the argument you are making against her not looking good is what most argued against Trump in the first debate. This ain't that...at all. She pounded him on the issues that she needed to like abortion, and healthcare etc....and then she deftly threw grenades at him on topics she is vulnerable on like with immigration. This is when she pivoted to his rallies and Hannibal Lecter etc---completely threw him off his game on the topic he most wants to succeed at. That is the sign of an excellent debate performance.
Sorry Mace. She was fantastic. She made Trump look like a fool last night. The difference in the last debate is Biden did it all to himself.www.myspace.com0 -
Yes. There was an upside. She had a larger gap of voters who were less familiar with her vs Trump. A good to great debate could sway them. Yes, the downside of a bad debate was massive. Luckily she threaded the needle and it possible she made some gains or at least made voters more confident in her.Glorified KC said:I think Harris won the debate last night, but I think she was in the same position as Biden was in June. There wasn't much to gain in debating Donald Trump but a lot to lose with a bad performance. Does last night sway anyone in the key states that will decide this election? Or as John Stewart would put it in "Pawinevmiazgnac" outside if him saying Fuck Dick Cheney.0 -
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Yes. There was an upside. She had a larger gap of voters who were less familiar with her vs Trump. A good to great debate could sway them. Yes, the downside of a bad debate was massive. Luckily she threaded the needle and it possible she made some gains or at least made voters more confident in her.Glorified KC said:I think Harris won the debate last night, but I think she was in the same position as Biden was in June. There wasn't much to gain in debating Donald Trump but a lot to lose with a bad performance. Does last night sway anyone in the key states that will decide this election? Or as John Stewart would put it in "Pawinevmiazgnac" outside if him saying Fuck Dick Cheney.
Fingers crossed you're right Tim.
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No she wasn't in the same position. People know Joe Biden. She, on the other hand, is still in the process of introducing herself to a lot of America. Big difference and, I think, much different tasks. She excelled.Glorified KC said:I think Harris won the debate last night, but I think she was in the same position as Biden was in June. There wasn't much to gain in debating Donald Trump but a lot to lose with a bad performance. Does last night sway anyone in the key states that will decide this election? Or as John Stewart would put it in "Pawinevmiazgnac" outside if him saying Fuck Dick Cheney.
All it takes is 1.5% difference. I would believe last night could help with those people who were unsure of her going in. She handled herself really well.
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I wish repubs would make up their minds about what they want in a POTUS candidate for crying out loud. I remember Clinton was too “wonky.” Al Gore as well but drier and blander. Then Kerry was to “aristocratic” speaking several languages fluently, Ivy League educated, served his nation, married rich. Shrub was the guy to have a beer with. Then Obama with that million dollar smile, education and wonkiness but the “Other.” McCain, honorable but outdated, couldn’t connect with the Gen Z and millennials. Romney completely out of touch. Hillary, smart, accomplished, Ivy League education, whole life in public office, got shit done but a woman and a staffer on Nixon’s impeachment committee. Now we have Kamala, middle class kid, mixed race, educated, worked her way up, accomplished, VP and “she didn’t answer the questions.” And didn’t get all wonky. Versus POOTWH, a disgrace of a human being never mind the repub candidate for POTUS after two impeachments, 34 felony convictions, adjudication for rape, 4 pending criminal cases and raves like a lunatic on national television. And yet, yet, the dem candidate has to do better.
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No she wasn't in the same position. People know Joe Biden. She, on the other hand, is still in the process of introducing herself to a lot of America. Big difference and, I think, much different tasks. She excelled.Glorified KC said:I think Harris won the debate last night, but I think she was in the same position as Biden was in June. There wasn't much to gain in debating Donald Trump but a lot to lose with a bad performance. Does last night sway anyone in the key states that will decide this election? Or as John Stewart would put it in "Pawinevmiazgnac" outside if him saying Fuck Dick Cheney.
All it takes is 1.5% difference. I would believe last night could help with those people who were unsure of her going in. She handled herself really well.
She did great. The issue I always concern myself with is where are there voters located? Are they in battleground states or in states that are already decided? Abolish the Electoral College so I don't have to be paranoid about this bull shit.
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^^^^ I don't disagree.She was very well prepared, though, and she clearly is thinking about the swing states -- her mention of the 800,000 Polish-Americans in Pennsylvania was important, I think! Poland and Poles are more mindful than most of the threat posed by autocracy.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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If Kamala had answered every question, she would probably get criticized for being overprepared.0
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yeah and for them to complain about being fact checked for blatant lies when he got that extra time doesn't make sense...he lost just like the 2020 election and he can't admit it.The Juggler said:
I think your analysis is way off base. He spoke 16 more times than she did. That is significant. Most of those times were to have the final word, which was not part of the rules. Usually the audience remembers the final thing the candidate says more than the rest....which is why Trump opted to give his closing statement last. So, yes, those extra 30-45 seconds at the end of every top mattered....only it backfired on him because he's just not up for this anymore.mace1229 said:
I agree with most of what is being said about the debate.Gern Blansten said:
47% of time for Harris, 53% for trump....mace1229 said:
Difference of 4-5 minutes in a 90 minute debate is marginal.The Juggler said:
Harris spoke 23 times for 37 minutes.mace1229 said:
I actually didn't think that part was that bad. They said they would get a 1 minute rebuttal. It looked like to me Trump would just take that 1 minute without waiting to be prompted to respond, so it might have looked like he was just going off. Or he'd ask for a rebuttal before moving on and they'd grant it to him. The time seemed fair and within the rules that they set.Gern Blansten said:
It's funny to me (but not surprising) that they are going after the moderators. They let trump take over the mic several times. I was kind of pissed off about it because he would just start talking and they would let him go. Harris did a few times but they seemed to push her off...partly because she was courteous and trump is a fucking idiot she would stop talking.Halifax2TheMax said:Lindsey Flimsey Flip Flop Faloozy, as predicted:Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), a Republican who is close to Trump, said he is encouraging the former president to do another debate, in part because he thinks Harris should have to answer “a tough question” — which he didn’t think she had to do tonight.
“The moderators sucked,” he said. “I thought it was horrible. It was awful.” Graham said he told Trump that one of his strongest moments was his closing argument — challenging Harris on why she hasn’t done more to change Americans’ lives over the past three and a half years.
“I think the president thinks he achieved his goal tonight of challenging her,” Graham said, “that you [Harris] own this. And you talk about all the things you’re going to do, why should we believe you?'”
He said he thinks Trump is open to another debate.
I haven't seen talking time stats yet...curious to see what those look like. Maybe I'm wrong but it seemed like he talked a lot more than her. And maybe that was her plan?
Trump spoke 39 times for 42 minutes.
They always seemed to let him get the last word....which worked to his detriment because he is an aging lunatic.
Only 2 differences in my opinion is Harris didn't look good either, Trump just looked a lot worse. She didn't have to make any good points, she just had to let Trump talk in order to win. But by doing so, you don't get your message out and you don't make yourself look strong either. I don't think she started out strong. She didn't answer questions either. She just didn't make any really weird statements that made you stop and be like "Wait, what? What cult is she in?" That's a pretty low bar though if that's what we expect in a president.
And that difference in time is negligible. Who cares about 47 - 53% talking time. Trump got more rebuttals because he asked for it. I don't recall Harris being cut off or denied a chance to speak. Trump asked for a chance to respond and got it every time. She didn't. I just don't see this as being an issue one way or another.
Also---Harris didn't look good either? I'm sorry...what? I think your bias is showing. You can argue she evaded some questions but that is what every candidate does in a debate when asked something they don't like. I understand you do not agree with her on a lot. But the argument you are making against her not looking good is what most argued against Trump in the first debate. This ain't that...at all. She pounded him on the issues that she needed to like abortion, and healthcare etc....and then she deftly threw grenades at him on topics she is vulnerable on like with immigration. This is when she pivoted to his rallies and Hannibal Lecter etc---completely threw him off his game on the topic he most wants to succeed at. That is the sign of an excellent debate performance.
Sorry Mace. She was fantastic. She made Trump look like a fool last night. The difference in the last debate is Biden did it all to himself.
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I did learn something last night. Windmills cannot give you cancer. Glad that was cleared up.
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