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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,854
    Donald Trump
    Yeah Musk blamed a "hack" on the delay but one of his own people said he wasn't aware of any hack.
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    Kamala Harris
    Tim Simmons said:
    These people contribute to American life when they get here and we’re better for it. Fucking let em come. They pursue employment, many taking menial jobs to provide, jobs that US born citizens don’t take, they spend that money that they earn at American businesses. Pay for rent, pay for food. Putting the money back into the local community. It helps the economy. 

    This isnt aimed at anyone In particular, but if you don’t think immigration, legal or illegal isn’t a boon for the US, you’re a dope. 
    They pay their taxes too as to not draw attention to themselves.  We all know who doesn’t pay his bills let alone his taxes!  

    Someday he’ll be on signs of a psychopath.  He checks every box. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,340
    Kamala Harris
    Gern Blansten said:
    Yeah Musk blamed a "hack" on the delay but one of his own people said he wasn't aware of any hack.
    A DDOS while the rest of Twitter up and running. Sure. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    Kamala Harris
    Tim Simmons said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Yeah Musk blamed a "hack" on the delay but one of his own people said he wasn't aware of any hack.
    A DDOS while the rest of Twitter up and running. Sure. 
    That's exactly right and what I thought as well.  What a bunch of nonsense.  
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,340
    Kamala Harris
    Grifters. All of them. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,546
    Kamala Harris
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,854
    Donald Trump
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    I get it but I love the tactic. I'm still not sure how it would work...I assume just free from income tax rather than social security tax but a lot of service workers don't pay income tax anyway due to the high standard deduction.

    Maybe it will be a deduction from income. So nothing really changes except if you have tips on your W-2 it gets deducted along with your standard deduction or something.

    Of course with that scenario the workers will still say they are paying SS/medicare tax. But if you don't pay in something you won't get benefits later.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    Kamala Harris
    Gern Blansten said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    I get it but I love the tactic. I'm still not sure how it would work...I assume just free from income tax rather than social security tax but a lot of service workers don't pay income tax anyway due to the high standard deduction.

    Maybe it will be a deduction from income. So nothing really changes except if you have tips on your W-2 it gets deducted along with your standard deduction or something.

    Of course with that scenario the workers will still say they are paying SS/medicare tax. But if you don't pay in something you won't get benefits later.
    Zero chance this comes to fruition.  Harris and Trump can say it,  but it will never pass,  so there's no risk.   

    And why should it be tax free anyway? It's income and a primary source of it.  Why don't I get 50% of my income tax free?  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,854
    Donald Trump
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    I get it but I love the tactic. I'm still not sure how it would work...I assume just free from income tax rather than social security tax but a lot of service workers don't pay income tax anyway due to the high standard deduction.

    Maybe it will be a deduction from income. So nothing really changes except if you have tips on your W-2 it gets deducted along with your standard deduction or something.

    Of course with that scenario the workers will still say they are paying SS/medicare tax. But if you don't pay in something you won't get benefits later.
    Zero chance this comes to fruition.  Harris and Trump can say it,  but it will never pass,  so there's no risk.   

    And why should it be tax free anyway? It's income and a primary source of it.  Why don't I get 50% of my income tax free?  
    I agree it's ridiculous. But I love how they shut down one of their main campaign themes.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,513
    Kamala Harris
    This is funny. I was at this bakery the other day and figured there'd be a news story about it. Based on its location and the clientele I observed, I'm not surprised by the week 1 results.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/red-wing-bakery-announces-week-1-results-of-its-2024-presidential-cookie-poll/

    Trump should totally post about how MN is totally in play based on cookie sales. He should plan a visit there too.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,008
    Kamala Harris
    Gern Blansten said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    I get it but I love the tactic. I'm still not sure how it would work...I assume just free from income tax rather than social security tax but a lot of service workers don't pay income tax anyway due to the high standard deduction.

    Maybe it will be a deduction from income. So nothing really changes except if you have tips on your W-2 it gets deducted along with your standard deduction or something.

    Of course with that scenario the workers will still say they are paying SS/medicare tax. But if you don't pay in something you won't get benefits later.
    Zero chance this comes to fruition.  Harris and Trump can say it,  but it will never pass,  so there's no risk.   

    And why should it be tax free anyway? It's income and a primary source of it.  Why don't I get 50% of my income tax free?  
    I agree it's ridiculous. But I love how they shut down one of their main campaign themes.
    I do too. Don't let that get any momentum.  Had to do it. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,714
    Kamala Harris
    mrussel1 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    I get it but I love the tactic. I'm still not sure how it would work...I assume just free from income tax rather than social security tax but a lot of service workers don't pay income tax anyway due to the high standard deduction.

    Maybe it will be a deduction from income. So nothing really changes except if you have tips on your W-2 it gets deducted along with your standard deduction or something.

    Of course with that scenario the workers will still say they are paying SS/medicare tax. But if you don't pay in something you won't get benefits later.
    Zero chance this comes to fruition.  Harris and Trump can say it,  but it will never pass,  so there's no risk.   

    And why should it be tax free anyway? It's income and a primary source of it.  Why don't I get 50% of my income tax free?  
    Unfortunately, a candidate cannot get away with saying that, as true as it is.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,714
    Kamala Harris
    tbergs said:
    This is funny. I was at this bakery the other day and figured there'd be a news story about it. Based on its location and the clientele I observed, I'm not surprised by the week 1 results.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/red-wing-bakery-announces-week-1-results-of-its-2024-presidential-cookie-poll/

    Trump should totally post about how MN is totally in play based on cookie sales. He should plan a visit there too.
    "the people knew it...they knew the Trump cookies were delicious. And they ate them; very strongly. The Harris cookies; total losers. Tasted like dirt, which is what the radical left Democrats are made of. So they kept coming back for more Trump cookies. You can't see this and think that Kamala can win a fair election. Total loser of the bakery right there in the state of another loser, Tom Walz."
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,674
    edited August 2024
    "For all intents and purposes, a 50-50 toss up" says Nate Silver

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nEhAW398vk
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "For all intents and purposes, a 50-50 toss up" says Nate Silver

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nEhAW398vk
    Thom Yorke has really let himself go...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,281
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    This is funny. I was at this bakery the other day and figured there'd be a news story about it. Based on its location and the clientele I observed, I'm not surprised by the week 1 results.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/red-wing-bakery-announces-week-1-results-of-its-2024-presidential-cookie-poll/

    Trump should totally post about how MN is totally in play based on cookie sales. He should plan a visit there too.
    "the people knew it...they knew the Trump cookies were delicious. And they ate them; very strongly. The Harris cookies; total losers. Tasted like dirt, which is what the radical left Democrats are made of. So they kept coming back for more Trump cookies. You can't see this and think that Kamala can win a fair election. Total loser of the bakery right there in the state of another loser, Tom Walz."
    I think you meant to end with Tom Walrus.
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  • Poncier
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    And why exactly should service workers not pay income tax when everyone else has to is my question.
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  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Poncier said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    And why exactly should service workers not pay income tax when everyone else has to is my question.
    If someone gives you a tip of $5 for providing excellent service. Why should the government get $1-$2. It’s not your salary or wages. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,854
    Donald Trump
    teskeinc said:
    Poncier said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    And why exactly should service workers not pay income tax when everyone else has to is my question.
    If someone gives you a tip of $5 for providing excellent service. Why should the government get $1-$2. It’s not your salary or wages. 
    It is though. That is their earnings for being employed by the restaurant.
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Gern Blansten said:
    teskeinc said:
    Poncier said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Let me put it on record I think both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris pandering to service workers with this "no taxes on tips" thing is a fucking joke. "Both sides" - take a shot peeps!
    And why exactly should service workers not pay income tax when everyone else has to is my question.
    If someone gives you a tip of $5 for providing excellent service. Why should the government get $1-$2. It’s not your salary or wages. 
    It is though. That is their earnings for being employed by the restaurant.
    Tips aren’t guaranteed unless it’s a party of 8 or over that some restaurants say they add a 15% or whatever gratuity. That would be the only guaranteed tips. 
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