Harris vs Trump vs RFK Jr - VOTE NOW AND DISCUSS

Gern Blansten said:

Glorified KC said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Re: young people not voting - not as big of a problem as it used to be, but still a big problem.

I just don't get it. It's not like my parents were big politicos or whatever, and I certainly learned some not-so-great things that I had to recover from, but I always was taught it's important to vote and make your voice heard. I was registered right when I turned 18. Not super proud of some of my young-years votes but I at least showed up. I mean, seriously, you are over 18 and you're not voting?!?!? And then to complain about whoever gets elected - just shut the hell up already.

Yeah I wish I could get in a time machine and tell my 18 and 22-year old self to have voted differently.  I didn't truly start understanding my core values lined up with the left until after 2004.  At least I voted though.  It's even hard to know how many in the poll will actually vote.

I was at Ball State in 1988 and was proud to ride the Young Democrats shuttle to the polls and voted for George Bush. I was a rabid Limbaugh republican through the Clinton years. I did shift to Kerry after GWB's first term as he pissed me off by cutting taxes and going to war at the same time which created big deficits. That's when I learned that the GOP was full of shit.

teskeinc said:

Glorified KC said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

Democratic elites can pick the candidates for you but they can’t force you to vote.

Which ticket has the "elites" running for office? Might want to check your notes...

The Democrats literally have a candidate that no one voted for in a primary. 2020 or 2024. I guess she’s technically not a candidate yet and Clooney and Pelosi could change it again before their convention.

Isn't all that matters is what the delegates decide at the DNC?  My impression is that the primary leading up to the DNC is to "weed out" candidates who seemingly won't stand a chance.  I don't see how that's a requirement.

Would be interesting to know if Biden would have said he wasn’t seeking re-election last year and voters had their say in an open primary who would have came out as the nominee. With Harris favorability so low around that time I have a hard time believing it would have been her.

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

Glorified KC said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

Democratic elites can pick the candidates for you but they can’t force you to vote.

Which ticket has the "elites" running for office? Might want to check your notes...

The Democrats literally have a candidate that no one voted for in a primary. 2020 or 2024. I guess she’s technically not a candidate yet and Clooney and Pelosi could change it again before their convention.

Isn't all that matters is what the delegates decide at the DNC?  My impression is that the primary leading up to the DNC is to "weed out" candidates who seemingly won't stand a chance.  I don't see how that's a requirement.

Would be interesting to know if Biden would have said he wasn’t seeking re-election last year and voters had their say in an open primary who would have came out as the nominee. With Harris favorability so low around that time I have a hard time believing it would have been her.

And what if Trump would have stepped aside last year? Maybe conservatives wouldn't need to whine about the situation flipping on end once the people were given a better choice. Voters are legitimately excited and energized about a candidate for the first time in over a decade. None of the what ifs matter, Harris has the support and the only one's who don't like it seem to be those that weren't voting for Biden and definitely won't be voting for Harris. Isn't that odd? I think it scares them a lot because they know their candidate is weak and not motivating to the majority of conservatives outside the MAGA base.

Republicans overwhelmingly selected Trump. He didn’t even show up to the debates. You’re watching too much Morning Joe if you think Trump is a weak candidate. Trump dominated the polls so much the elites had to replace Biden. Harris obviously has sparked the party to rally around her but now the swing states that Trump led 3-5% have tightened to all within margin of error. 

teskeinc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

teskeinc said:

Glorified KC said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

Democratic elites can pick the candidates for you but they can’t force you to vote.

Which ticket has the "elites" running for office? Might want to check your notes...

The Democrats literally have a candidate that no one voted for in a primary. 2020 or 2024. I guess she’s technically not a candidate yet and Clooney and Pelosi could change it again before their convention.

Isn't all that matters is what the delegates decide at the DNC?  My impression is that the primary leading up to the DNC is to "weed out" candidates who seemingly won't stand a chance.  I don't see how that's a requirement.

Would be interesting to know if Biden would have said he wasn’t seeking re-election last year and voters had their say in an open primary who would have came out as the nominee. With Harris favorability so low around that time I have a hard time believing it would have been her.

I agree in that incumbents to have low favorability ratings and Harris qualifies as an incumbent.

Also, our presidential elections are very long, almost 2 years, so voters definitely get fatigued even more so from incumbents.

This is like an end around of the political process , where Harris is in the spotlight for a very short time, is riding an immense popularity wave right now.

 I don't think we've seen enthusiasm like this on the Democratic side since 2008. Give her credit she is dominated the news cycle for weeks, something Trump used to be a master at. 

Trump has been defined as weird, slow and he comes across tired often when he speaks. I think he's very concerned right now

Main stream media is focused on everything that is not about Harris’ record. It’s a concerted effort to not talk about her past. Promoting a moderate future and to paint Trump as “weird”. It may work. Republicans job will be holding her accountable for far left statements and the mishandling of the border. If they can paint her as too “far left” it will be real hard to win enough swing states.

teskeinc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

teskeinc said:

Glorified KC said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

Democratic elites can pick the candidates for you but they can’t force you to vote.

Which ticket has the "elites" running for office? Might want to check your notes...

The Democrats literally have a candidate that no one voted for in a primary. 2020 or 2024. I guess she’s technically not a candidate yet and Clooney and Pelosi could change it again before their convention.

Isn't all that matters is what the delegates decide at the DNC?  My impression is that the primary leading up to the DNC is to "weed out" candidates who seemingly won't stand a chance.  I don't see how that's a requirement.

Would be interesting to know if Biden would have said he wasn’t seeking re-election last year and voters had their say in an open primary who would have came out as the nominee. With Harris favorability so low around that time I have a hard time believing it would have been her.

I agree in that incumbents to have low favorability ratings and Harris qualifies as an incumbent.

Also, our presidential elections are very long, almost 2 years, so voters definitely get fatigued even more so from incumbents.

This is like an end around of the political process , where Harris is in the spotlight for a very short time, is riding an immense popularity wave right now.

 I don't think we've seen enthusiasm like this on the Democratic side since 2008. Give her credit she is dominated the news cycle for weeks, something Trump used to be a master at. 

Trump has been defined as weird, slow and he comes across tired often when he speaks. I think he's very concerned right now

Main stream media is focused on everything that is not about Harris’ record. It’s a concerted effort to not talk about her past. Promoting a moderate future and to paint Trump as “weird”. It may work. Republicans job will be holding her accountable for far left statements and the mishandling of the border. If they can paint her as too “far left” it will be real hard to win enough swing states.

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Go Beavers said:

teskeinc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

teskeinc said:

Glorified KC said:

teskeinc said:

tbergs said:

teskeinc said:

Democratic elites can pick the candidates for you but they can’t force you to vote.

Which ticket has the "elites" running for office? Might want to check your notes...

The Democrats literally have a candidate that no one voted for in a primary. 2020 or 2024. I guess she’s technically not a candidate yet and Clooney and Pelosi could change it again before their convention.

Isn't all that matters is what the delegates decide at the DNC?  My impression is that the primary leading up to the DNC is to "weed out" candidates who seemingly won't stand a chance.  I don't see how that's a requirement.

Would be interesting to know if Biden would have said he wasn’t seeking re-election last year and voters had their say in an open primary who would have came out as the nominee. With Harris favorability so low around that time I have a hard time believing it would have been her.

I agree in that incumbents to have low favorability ratings and Harris qualifies as an incumbent.

Also, our presidential elections are very long, almost 2 years, so voters definitely get fatigued even more so from incumbents.

This is like an end around of the political process , where Harris is in the spotlight for a very short time, is riding an immense popularity wave right now.

 I don't think we've seen enthusiasm like this on the Democratic side since 2008. Give her credit she is dominated the news cycle for weeks, something Trump used to be a master at. 

Trump has been defined as weird, slow and he comes across tired often when he speaks. I think he's very concerned right now

Main stream media is focused on everything that is not about Harris’ record. It’s a concerted effort to not talk about her past. Promoting a moderate future and to paint Trump as “weird”. It may work. Republicans job will be holding her accountable for far left statements and the mishandling of the border. If they can paint her as too “far left” it will be real hard to win enough swing states.

Then the same concerted effort must be happening with Trump, because they aren’t talking about his record either. 

which record? legislative, or criminal?

more of the criminal to speak on since legislatively he's a little thin...