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This is the definition of insanity. So fucking exhausting. Just let us know where you’ll be standing/sitting and at which concerts so we can stay clear of the known unvaccinated.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
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He and I had the vaccines
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can't wait to see where you're research is published.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
The sourcing for that is gonna be 🔥🔥🔥HughFreakingDillon said:
can't wait to see where you're research is published.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..0 -
Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
hmmm......
Repeat COVID-19 vaccinations elicit antibodies that neutralize variants, other viruses
Response to updated vaccine is shaped by earlier vaccines yet generates broadly neutralizing antibodies
by Tamara Schneider•May 17, 2024
Matt MillerHealth-care workers received the first doses of the COVID-19 vaccine in December 2020. A study by researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis has found that repeat vaccination with updated versions of the COVID-19 vaccine promotes the development of antibodies that neutralize a wide range of variants of the virus that causes COVID-19, as well as related coronaviruses.
The COVID-19 pandemic is over, but the virus that caused it is still here, sending thousands of people to the hospital each week and spinning off new variants with depressing regularity. The virus’s exceptional ability to change and evade immune defenses has led the World Health Organization (WHO) to recommend annual updates to COVID-19 vaccines.
But some scientists worry that the remarkable success of the first COVID-19 vaccines may work against updated versions, undermining the utility of an annual vaccination program. A similar problem plagues the annual flu vaccine campaign; immunity elicited by one year’s flu shots can interfere with immune responses in subsequent years, reducing the vaccines’ effectiveness.
A new study by researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis helps to address this question. Unlike immunity to influenza virus, prior immunity to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, doesn’t inhibit later vaccine responses. Rather, it promotes the development of broadly inhibitory antibodies, the researchers report.
The study, available online in Nature, shows that people who were repeatedly vaccinated for COVID-19 — initially receiving shots aimed at the original variant, followed by boosters and updated vaccines targeting variants — generated antibodies capable of neutralizing a wide range of SARS-CoV-2 variants and even some distantly related coronaviruses. The findings suggest that periodic re-vaccination for COVID-19, far from hindering the body’s ability to recognize and respond to new variants, may instead cause people to gradually build up a stock of broadly neutralizing antibodies that protect them from emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants and some other coronavirus species as well, even ones that have not yet emerged to infect humans.
“The first vaccine an individual receives induces a strong primary immune response that shapes responses to subsequent infection and vaccination, an effect known as imprinting,” said senior author Michael S. Diamond, MD, PhD, the Herbert S. Gasser Professor of Medicine. “In principle, imprinting can be positive, negative or neutral. In this case, we see strong imprinting that is positive, because it’s coupled to the development of cross-reactive neutralizing antibodies with remarkable breadth of activity.”
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Big pharma scamdemic.mickeyrat said:hmmm......Repeat COVID-19 vaccinations elicit antibodies that neutralize variants, other viruses
Response to updated vaccine is shaped by earlier vaccines yet generates broadly neutralizing antibodies
by Tamara Schneider•May 17, 2024
Matt MillerHealth-care workers received the first doses of the COVID-19 vaccine in December 2020. A study by researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis has found that repeat vaccination with updated versions of the COVID-19 vaccine promotes the development of antibodies that neutralize a wide range of variants of the virus that causes COVID-19, as well as related coronaviruses.
The COVID-19 pandemic is over, but the virus that caused it is still here, sending thousands of people to the hospital each week and spinning off new variants with depressing regularity. The virus’s exceptional ability to change and evade immune defenses has led the World Health Organization (WHO) to recommend annual updates to COVID-19 vaccines.
But some scientists worry that the remarkable success of the first COVID-19 vaccines may work against updated versions, undermining the utility of an annual vaccination program. A similar problem plagues the annual flu vaccine campaign; immunity elicited by one year’s flu shots can interfere with immune responses in subsequent years, reducing the vaccines’ effectiveness.
A new study by researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis helps to address this question. Unlike immunity to influenza virus, prior immunity to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, doesn’t inhibit later vaccine responses. Rather, it promotes the development of broadly inhibitory antibodies, the researchers report.
The study, available online in Nature, shows that people who were repeatedly vaccinated for COVID-19 — initially receiving shots aimed at the original variant, followed by boosters and updated vaccines targeting variants — generated antibodies capable of neutralizing a wide range of SARS-CoV-2 variants and even some distantly related coronaviruses. The findings suggest that periodic re-vaccination for COVID-19, far from hindering the body’s ability to recognize and respond to new variants, may instead cause people to gradually build up a stock of broadly neutralizing antibodies that protect them from emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants and some other coronavirus species as well, even ones that have not yet emerged to infect humans.
“The first vaccine an individual receives induces a strong primary immune response that shapes responses to subsequent infection and vaccination, an effect known as imprinting,” said senior author Michael S. Diamond, MD, PhD, the Herbert S. Gasser Professor of Medicine. “In principle, imprinting can be positive, negative or neutral. In this case, we see strong imprinting that is positive, because it’s coupled to the development of cross-reactive neutralizing antibodies with remarkable breadth of activity.”
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It was a guide, for Christ's sake. You have to pick a number.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..0 -
Merkin Baller said:
The sourcing for that is gonna be 🔥🔥🔥HughFreakingDillon said:
can't wait to see where you're research is published.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
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Without ever consciously thinking about it, I recognized it as a general guide and not a magic number...probably because without thinking about it, I was aware that this isn't the same as "trucks over 11 ft. tall cannot fit under this bridge."mrussel1 said:
It was a guide, for Christ's sake. You have to pick a number.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
In hindsight, I guess I should not be surprised that "you can't precisely determine the right distance" led to "I'm going to stand two inches from the person in front of me in the checkout line even though it won't move me through faster."
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They are keep thinking i'm antivaxxer here for long time now..so hilarious 😂 HughFreakingDillon said:lastexitlondon said:He and I had the vaccines
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can't wait to see where you're research is published.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
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Why yoyr scientists are more scientists than a Nobel prize winner??HughFreakingDillon said:
Why your scientists are more scientists from the Japanese proffesor at the Kyoto University??..
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We are talking about roulette here??..mrussel1 said:
It was a guide, for Christ's sake. You have to pick a number.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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OnWis97 said:
Without ever consciously thinking about it, I recognized it as a general guide and not a magic number...probably because without thinking about it, I was aware that this isn't the same as "trucks over 11 ft. tall cannot fit under this bridge."mrussel1 said:
It was a guide, for Christ's sake. You have to pick a number.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
In hindsight, I guess I should not be surprised that "you can't precisely determine the right distance" led to "I'm going to stand two inches from the person in front of me in the checkout line even though it won't move me through faster."
Oh well, I'm just glad we didn't get an anti-handwashing movement. (I really thought it might happen.)
pssst, already kinda in effect....
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23scidoo said:
We are talking about roulette here??..mrussel1 said:
It was a guide, for Christ's sake. You have to pick a number.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
were you harmed by standing x distance from someone? no? then move on. just do it at least 6 ft from me.
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Because this is America and I should be able to stand 5'8" awaymickeyrat said:23scidoo said:
We are talking about roulette here??..mrussel1 said:
It was a guide, for Christ's sake. You have to pick a number.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
were you harmed by standing x distance from someone? no? then move on. just do it at least 6 ft from me.0 -
AKA the Vedder Distancemrussel1 said:
Because this is America and I should be able to stand 5'8" awaymickeyrat said:23scidoo said:
We are talking about roulette here??..mrussel1 said:
It was a guide, for Christ's sake. You have to pick a number.23scidoo said:
very sense R, to wash your hands for an airborne virus as you said..no doubt at all..also you can have it at 1.95m but not at 2.05 m..lastexitlondon said:
I agree . In real time it was all terrifying and I actually think the social distancing and mask were the most sensible thing we could have done. It makes absolute sense with an airborne virus. No doubtHughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
and again, WHATEVER they say, we were right..
were you harmed by standing x distance from someone? no? then move on. just do it at least 6 ft from me.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
A lot of the criticism I hear, and sometimes agree with, comes from the pointlessness of some of the regulations, how they were enforced, and the hypocrisy behind some of the laws.HughFreakingDillon said:
people need to realize that the medical community was learning how to deal with it in real time. that's incredibly difficult. to expect them to be right 100% of the time is absurd. they didn't lie (don't confuse the medical community with pharma and the government). they made best guesses. best guesses that they thought would be the least harmful to society while not allowing the virus to run rampant. A lot of it seems absurd in hindsight, but looking back, these were fallible humans with the world on their shoulders with unrealistic expectations put on them by all of humanity. so yeah, they were scrambling, and using even the tiniest bits of data they could analyze and make the best decisions based on that at the time.seanwon said:
Masks, distancing, vaccination, and the virus evolving to be less deadly led us through Covid. I support all of that. I was just pointing out we received a lot of misinformation along the way. And much of that (such as the 6 feet rule) I'm sure was said with good intentions. However this just causes more people to not trust anything the government says. There will be WAY more pushback if we encounter a situation like covid again.cblock4life said:
Well of course. How silly of me. Thank youBentleyspop said:
In their mind there was NO pandemic.cblock4life said:Have I gotten the whole social media scheme twisted? Are we not supposed to ask questions? I asked 4 or 5 fairly simple questions and got 0 responses. Is this a comment only forum?To the non-vaccinated, non-mask people, all those non-believers of nurses crying and drs begging, etc, etc:In your world, what exactly stoped the pandemic?Am I ever going to receive an answer? Or shouldn’t I be asking?
hilarious now that armchair pandemic experts think "we were right from the beginning". no they weren't. they were all broken clocks just being fucking babies during a global crisis when the rest of the adults were trying to actually deal with the severity of it.
Parks were closed, the local news at the time reported a dad being arrested because he was playing catch with his son at an empty park. I doubt they followed through with any charges, but still. I remember a guy paddle boarding in the ocean got ticketed. Kids had to wear masks outside during school, and still expected to participate in PE.
I remember a restaurant in LA posting pictures of his shop being closed down, but in his parking lot they were filming a show and had tons of pop up tents serving food to all the crew. The decision on what to lose and when seems about as random as what plays in MLB are reviewable. What made some stores "essential" and others not seemed just as random. Then you have public officials going out and getting hair cuts and eating, going against their own laws they created.
I don't expect everyone to be right 100% of the time. But I do expect some common sense. If you are asking people to social distance, maybe allow them to play in an open field. If you're going to close down a restaurant and tell them they can't social distance and will probably go out of business, maybe don't use the same area to allow film crews to gather in crowds. If you're going to tell people its not safe to get a hair cut, maybe don't get one yourself.0 -
As I and others have stated since the beginning, no one knew anything about this virus.They’ve been trying to get a cancer cure right for decades now….why aren’t there verbal protests about that? I’ll be having my 200th covid shot this weekend. Gonna get a cake and celebrate0
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cblock4life said:As I and others have stated since the beginning, no one knew anything about this virus.They’ve been trying to get a cancer cure right for decades now….why aren’t there verbal protests about that? I’ll be having my 200th covid shot this weekend. Gonna get a cake and celebrate
Wouldn't it just be absolutely freaking amazing if scientists discovered that the cure for both COVID and cancer were cake!!!
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