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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    Any anti-seatbelt folks on here? You might want to reconsider. Or get yourself a heater. All for not wearing a seatbelt.

    Police fire 96 shots in 41 seconds, killing Black man during traffic stop

    Dexter Reed’s mother remembers the last time she saw her son alive. “Mom, I’m going for a ride,” he told her, before heading out in the car that he had purchased just three days earlier.

    Reed, 26, was killed that same day, when tactical-unit police officers fired 96 bullets at him within 41 seconds, according to Chicago’s Civilian Office of Police Accountability, or COPA, which investigates allegations of police misconduct and police shootings. “He was just riding around in his car,” Dexter’s mother, Nicole Banks, told Fox 32 Chicago on Tuesday, as she broke down in tears. “They killed him.”

    COPA released video footage of the shooting Tuesday and said its investigation of the “officers’ use of deadly force” on March 21 remains ongoing. The Chicago Police Department told CNN that it was cooperating with COPA’s investigation and that it “cannot make a determination on this shooting until all the facts are known and this investigation has concluded.” The department did not immediately respond for a request for comment from The Washington Post.

    According to COPA, police stopped Reed “for purportedly not wearing a seatbelt.” In several body-cam videos, multiple officers can be seen exiting an unmarked vehicle and surrounding Reed’s car, which had tinted windows.

    The officers demand he unlock and open the door, and not to roll up the window.

    “Upon stopping Mr. Reed, multiple officers surrounded his vehicle while giving verbal commands. When Mr. Reed did not comply with these commands, officers pointed their firearms at Mr. Reed,” COPA said.

    Officers can be seen retreating as they ask Reed to exit the vehicle. Then, shots can be heard.

    COPA said its review of the footage and initial reports “appear to confirm that Mr. Reed fired first,” hitting one officer while four others returned fire.

    Reed can be seen staggering out of the vehicle before collapsing onto the road. As officers approach his motionless body, they can be heard telling Reed not to move. A pool of blood can be seen on the ground next to Reed as officers place him in handcuffs.

    “Ultimately there was an exchange of gunfire which left Mr. Reed dead and an officer shot in the forearm,” COPA said, adding that a gun was recovered from the front passenger seat of Reed’s car.

    Andrew M. Stroth, the family’s attorney, said Tuesday that the plainclothes officers “did not announce they were police officers.” The footage shows many officers in plainclothes, with some wearing vests with the word “police” on them.

    According to COPA, police continued to shoot at Reed after he left his car and fell to the ground. The agency noted that Reed was “struck by gunfire multiple times and was transported to the hospital and later pronounced deceased.”

    Stroth described Reed as a star athlete who “enjoyed playing hoops,” and loved to cook and spend time with his family. He called on Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson to “disband these tactical units that have been terrorizing communities.”

    Johnson said Tuesday that he was aware the footage was “extremely painful and traumatic” and that the officers involved in the fatal shooting have been placed on a 30-day administrative leave.

    “As mayor and as a father raising a family, including two Black boys on the west side of Chicago, I am personally devastated to see yet another young Black man lose his life during an interaction with the police,” Johnson said.

    Johnson said that he had spoken with Reed’s family over the weekend and that he was committed to a “transparent” investigation.

    Stroth called on Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx to “move swiftly to get justice” for the Reed family and said “the people of Chicago deserve to have awareness and full knowledge of police shootings.”

    In a statement Tuesday, Foxx said “it is imperative that we let the investigation takes its course.” “Be assured, our commitment to finding justice for everyone involved is unwavering,” she said.

    “If you didn’t stop my nephew, he will be alive today,” Reed’s uncle told CNN on Tuesday.

    Reed’s death has once again reignited debate and anger over police brutality and excessive use of force in the United States, prompting protests outside a Chicago police station this week, with activists, residents and family members calling for justice.

    There have been at least 9,497 fatal police shootings in the United States since 2015, according to The Post’s database. In the past 12 months, at least 1,116 people have been shot and killed by police.

    Police killings of Black Americans including Tyre NicholsBreonna Taylor and George Floyd have prompted protests and a racial reckoning that translated into hundreds of bills aimed at curtailing law enforcement powers and reshaping policing.

    “How many more young Black and Brown men need to die before this city will change?” Stroth said.

    Dexter Reed shot, killed by Chicago police after traffic stop - The Washington Post

    Warning: Video below is graphic

    A Chicago traffic stop turned fatal. Here’s what bodycam footage shows | CNN

    Reed shot first?  This is a closed case.

    Why he had a gun in the first place is a good question.

    Why the cops drew their guns should also be in question.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    What a piece of garbage. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,222
    Garbage 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited April 2024
    Any anti-seatbelt folks on here? You might want to reconsider. Or get yourself a heater. All for not wearing a seatbelt.

    Police fire 96 shots in 41 seconds, killing Black man during traffic stop

    Dexter Reed’s mother remembers the last time she saw her son alive. “Mom, I’m going for a ride,” he told her, before heading out in the car that he had purchased just three days earlier.

    Reed, 26, was killed that same day, when tactical-unit police officers fired 96 bullets at him within 41 seconds, according to Chicago’s Civilian Office of Police Accountability, or COPA, which investigates allegations of police misconduct and police shootings. “He was just riding around in his car,” Dexter’s mother, Nicole Banks, told Fox 32 Chicago on Tuesday, as she broke down in tears. “They killed him.”

    COPA released video footage of the shooting Tuesday and said its investigation of the “officers’ use of deadly force” on March 21 remains ongoing. The Chicago Police Department told CNN that it was cooperating with COPA’s investigation and that it “cannot make a determination on this shooting until all the facts are known and this investigation has concluded.” The department did not immediately respond for a request for comment from The Washington Post.

    According to COPA, police stopped Reed “for purportedly not wearing a seatbelt.” In several body-cam videos, multiple officers can be seen exiting an unmarked vehicle and surrounding Reed’s car, which had tinted windows.

    The officers demand he unlock and open the door, and not to roll up the window.

    “Upon stopping Mr. Reed, multiple officers surrounded his vehicle while giving verbal commands. When Mr. Reed did not comply with these commands, officers pointed their firearms at Mr. Reed,” COPA said.

    Officers can be seen retreating as they ask Reed to exit the vehicle. Then, shots can be heard.

    COPA said its review of the footage and initial reports “appear to confirm that Mr. Reed fired first,” hitting one officer while four others returned fire.

    Reed can be seen staggering out of the vehicle before collapsing onto the road. As officers approach his motionless body, they can be heard telling Reed not to move. A pool of blood can be seen on the ground next to Reed as officers place him in handcuffs.

    “Ultimately there was an exchange of gunfire which left Mr. Reed dead and an officer shot in the forearm,” COPA said, adding that a gun was recovered from the front passenger seat of Reed’s car.

    Andrew M. Stroth, the family’s attorney, said Tuesday that the plainclothes officers “did not announce they were police officers.” The footage shows many officers in plainclothes, with some wearing vests with the word “police” on them.

    According to COPA, police continued to shoot at Reed after he left his car and fell to the ground. The agency noted that Reed was “struck by gunfire multiple times and was transported to the hospital and later pronounced deceased.”

    Stroth described Reed as a star athlete who “enjoyed playing hoops,” and loved to cook and spend time with his family. He called on Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson to “disband these tactical units that have been terrorizing communities.”

    Johnson said Tuesday that he was aware the footage was “extremely painful and traumatic” and that the officers involved in the fatal shooting have been placed on a 30-day administrative leave.

    “As mayor and as a father raising a family, including two Black boys on the west side of Chicago, I am personally devastated to see yet another young Black man lose his life during an interaction with the police,” Johnson said.

    Johnson said that he had spoken with Reed’s family over the weekend and that he was committed to a “transparent” investigation.

    Stroth called on Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx to “move swiftly to get justice” for the Reed family and said “the people of Chicago deserve to have awareness and full knowledge of police shootings.”

    In a statement Tuesday, Foxx said “it is imperative that we let the investigation takes its course.” “Be assured, our commitment to finding justice for everyone involved is unwavering,” she said.

    “If you didn’t stop my nephew, he will be alive today,” Reed’s uncle told CNN on Tuesday.

    Reed’s death has once again reignited debate and anger over police brutality and excessive use of force in the United States, prompting protests outside a Chicago police station this week, with activists, residents and family members calling for justice.

    There have been at least 9,497 fatal police shootings in the United States since 2015, according to The Post’s database. In the past 12 months, at least 1,116 people have been shot and killed by police.

    Police killings of Black Americans including Tyre NicholsBreonna Taylor and George Floyd have prompted protests and a racial reckoning that translated into hundreds of bills aimed at curtailing law enforcement powers and reshaping policing.

    “How many more young Black and Brown men need to die before this city will change?” Stroth said.

    Dexter Reed shot, killed by Chicago police after traffic stop - The Washington Post

    Warning: Video below is graphic

    A Chicago traffic stop turned fatal. Here’s what bodycam footage shows | CNN

    Reed shot first?  This is a closed case.

    Why he had a gun in the first place is a good question.

    Why the cops drew their guns should also be in question.
    Was about to say the exact same thing.
    I hate misleading titles like "shot for not wearing a seatbelt." When the reality is he was shot for shooting first, and happened to not be wearing a seatbelt at the time. 
    You shoot at police, 100% guarantee they shoot back. 
  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,197
    Regarding the Crumbleys, they were given several chances to do something to show concern for the safety of their child and did nothing.

    James and Jennifer Crumbley face precedent-setting sentences - Vox, "For months prior, the Crumbleys’ son, Ethan Crumbley, repeatedly asked his parents for help handling his mental health and showed signs of depression and mental illness. In texts sent to them, for example, he exhibited growing paranoia and complained multiple times of seeing ghosts or demons in their home when he was alone. But the Crumbleys ignored or dismissed his concerns.

    'I actually asked my dad to take [me] to the Doctor yesterday but he just gave me some pills and told me to 'Suck it up,"' Ethan texted a friend in April 2021.

    'My mom laughed when I told her.'”

    Furthermore, "One day before the shooting, Ethan was caught at school looking up bullets to use with the gun and was disciplined. Instead of expressing concern, his mother joked over text, 'lol I’m.not mad. you have to learn not.to.get caught.'”

    So, if the article I linked is accurate, seems they simply didn't give a fuck what their kid was going through or was capable of.  I look at it as more than simply not offering "emotional support", but being negligent, especially in giving the little kid a gun.  If the law starts holding negligent parents accountable, I don't see a downside to that. 

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    That wolf story is disgusting.  I won't watch the video.

    Let's hope that idiot gets jail time.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    They said he only got a $250 fine. I don't know how that isn't animal cruelty and jail time. He ran it over, injured it, carried it around time, posed for pictures, before torturing and killing it. Poor thing looks so harmless and miserable in the pictures. I know its a wild wolf, so it snot harmless, but definitely not posing an immediate threat.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    I chose not to watch the Wolf video.

    I would not be stunned if this guy makes a return appearance to this thread.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,426
    I wanna see all body cam footage of the Chicago shooting. Also other details,  like how many officers were giving commands.

    Wouldnt be the first time evidence was planted or other events staged.

    THAT dept doesnt get benefit of the doubt.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,426
    https://apnews.com/article/philadelphia-ghost-gun-lawsuit-settlement-0f694689dfa5f8b22c3ea39e7ea275c0   Lawsuit settled: 2 top US gun parts makers agree to temporarily halt sales in Philadelphia


     
    Lawsuit settled: 2 top US gun parts makers agree to temporarily halt sales in Philadelphia
    By MICHAEL RUBINKAM
    Yesterday

    Two of America's leading gun parts manufacturers have agreed to temporarily halt sales of their products in Philadelphia and elsewhere in Pennsylvania, city officials said Thursday, announcing a settlement of their lawsuit against the companies.

    Philadelphia filed suit against Polymer80 and JSD Supply in July, accusing the manufacturers of perpetuating gun violence in the city by manufacturing and selling untraceable, self-manufactured weapons commonly known as “ghost guns.” The suit came under a broader legal effort to restrict where manufacturers can market their assemble-at-home guns.

    David Pucino, legal director of Giffords Law Center, which represented the city, accusing Polymer80 and JSD Supply of “reckless business practices ... that threatened public safety.”

    “The gun industry must be held accountable when it breaks the law and endangers Americans,” he said in a statement.

    Under the settlement, JSD Supply, based in Butler, Pennsylvania, agreed it would no longer sell its products in the state for four years, city officials said. JSD-owned Eagle Shows, which bills itself as Pennsylvania's largest gun show, will be required to prohibit vendors from selling such gun parts for two years.

    Dayton, Nevada-based Polymer80 agreed to a four-year ban on sales to customers in Philadelphia and the nearby counties of Berks, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, Lancaster, Lehigh, Montgomery and Northampton, which include the cities of Allentown, Easton, Reading and Lancaster. Additionally, Polymer80 agreed to pay $1.3 million, which Philadelphia officials said will fund efforts to address gun violence.

    The settlement was expected to be filed with the court on Friday. Messages were left at both companies seeking comment on the agreement.

    “These weapons have ended up in the hands of our youth and individuals who are not otherwise permitted to possess a firearm, and the consequences in our communities have been devastating,” Renee Garcia, Philadelphia's city solicitor, said in a statement.

    Ghost guns, which can be purchased without a background check and assembled at home, have become the weapon of choice for children, criminals and others who cannot lawfully own a gun, according to city officials.

    They have been used in a staggering number of shootings in recent years. Between 2019 and 2022, police recorded a fourfold increase in the number of ghost guns that had been used to commit crimes, according to the city's lawsuit. In 2022, city police seized 575 of the guns.

    Last July, a gunman armed with an AR-15-style weapon and a handgun — both self-manufactured — went on a shooting spree that killed five people in Philadelphia.

    Philadelphia Mayor Cherelle Parker, announcing the settlement at a news conference to discuss her first 100 days in office, said Polymer80 and JSD produced 90% of the ghost guns recovered in the city,

    “We needed to find a way to hold them accountable for their role in supplying the crime gun market, and perpetuating gun violence,” she said.

    In February, Polymer80 agreed to stop selling its firearms to Maryland residents under a settlement with the city of Baltimore.

    Last month, a federal judge permanently banned a Florida gun retailer from selling or delivering certain gun parts in New York that officials say could be used to assemble untraceable ghost guns and sold without background checks.


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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,889
    That wolf story is disgusting.  I won't watch the video.

    Let's hope that idiot gets jail time.
    Instead of jail time he should be dressed in a pork chop suit and thrown into an enclosure unarmed with a dozen or so very hungry wolves, for just an hour.

    Literally throw the guy to the wolves.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited April 2024
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see all body cam footage of the Chicago shooting. Also other details,  like how many officers were giving commands.

    Wouldnt be the first time evidence was planted or other events staged.

    THAT dept doesnt get benefit of the doubt.
    The dude fired 11 times hitting 1 cop in the arm.
    That's a lot of evidence to plant if you're willing to shoot another officer to stage a crime. 
    But yeah, the real reason is because of seatbelts. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,426
    4 cops. 96 shots in total. 41 sec. equals 24 each.

    I havent found an article with the poster claimed 11 shots fired.

    I will expect to hear of gun shot residue findings during autopsy .

    would love to know if all 96 are accounted for beyond casings.

    the one body cam video linked iin the initial article posted here was after reed was dead at the rear of his vehicle.

    this tactical team, is it really their mandate to conduct traffic stops with such a minor infraction precipitating the stop?


    if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?


    at what point will any agency give clear directive , when more than one officer is on scene ONLY ONE gives commands.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,426

     

    Chicago police tactical teams again under scrutiny after fatal shooting of Dexter Reed

    Police reform experts argue units have long history of abuse in Chicago, have not been effective in fighting crime

    Sarah Schulte Image
    Wednesday, April 10, 2024 7:31PM


    CPD tactical teams again under scrutiny after Dexter Reed shooting
    Chicago police tactical teams are once again under scrutiny after the deadly Dexter Reed shooting. COPA continues to invest...

    CHICAGO (WLS) -- The topic of tactical teams is once again being discussed after the recent Chicago police shooting death of 26-year-old Dexter Reed.

    Tactical teams have a long history in Chicago. The plain-clothes officers often police in high-crime areas.

    "They are often called, 'jump out boys,' 'the cowboys.' They jump out of the car aggressively, not trained in deescalation," said Craig Futterman, with University of Chicago Law.

    Police reform experts argue the units have a long history of abuse in Chicago, and have not been effective in fighting crime. The Chicago Civilian Office of Police Accountability said part of its investigation should include the role of the unit on March 21.

    Reed, 26, was killed by Chicago police on March 21 during a traffic stop that ended with dozens of bullets fired and a police officer injured.

    COPA released bodycam video Tuesday of the deadly police shooting last month in Garfield Park.

    "If there are things about the way that this tactical unit was operating, that may be indicative of a wider issue with tactical units in general," COPA Chief Administrator Andrea Kersten said.

    The way tactical units operate has been a source of controversy in Chicago for years.


    continues......






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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    mickeyrat said:
    4 cops. 96 shots in total. 41 sec. equals 24 each.

    I havent found an article with the poster claimed 11 shots fired.

    I will expect to hear of gun shot residue findings during autopsy .

    would love to know if all 96 are accounted for beyond casings.

    the one body cam video linked iin the initial article posted here was after reed was dead at the rear of his vehicle.

    this tactical team, is it really their mandate to conduct traffic stops with such a minor infraction precipitating the stop?


    if the tint was illegal, why doesnt the city/state crack down on the shops applying illegal tint?


    at what point will any agency give clear directive , when more than one officer is on scene ONLY ONE gives commands.
    You expect police who are getting shot at, and one shot, to not return fire until they have a chance to get together and decide who is going to shoot how many times?
    I'm okay with the policy if someone opens fire on you, police or not, you have the right to return fire until that threat is eliminated. If it takes 500 rounds, that's fine. 
    Don't shoot at people if you don't want to get shot. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,426
    so no source for the 11 shot allegation.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    mickeyrat said:
    so no source for the 11 shot allegation.
    Heard on the news that's what the investigators released, haven't seen an article on it. 
    I searched, saw a heading with NY times stating he fired first and injured in officer, but I'm not a paid subscriber so I couldn't read beyond that. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    so no source for the 11 shot allegation.
    Heard on the news that's what the investigators released, haven't seen an article on it. 
    I searched, saw a heading with NY times stating he fired first and injured in officer, but I'm not a paid subscriber so I couldn't read beyond that. 
    https://youtu.be/vx2qDhwZhX8?si=nHtOcfUQTmMrq0Xh
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,859
    Poncier said:
    That wolf story is disgusting.  I won't watch the video.

    Let's hope that idiot gets jail time.
    Instead of jail time he should be dressed in a pork chop suit and thrown into an enclosure unarmed with a dozen or so very hungry wolves, for just an hour.

    Literally throw the guy to the wolves.
    How about his aunt? The disgusting piece of garbage who is having her "big moment" on the internet. Posting pictures of herself with duct tape on her mouth, while holding up a wolf skin. 
    What the fuck is wrong with people?

    Feed her to the wolves too! She is a despicable piece of human garbage. 


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