The right to bear arms

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

I actually agree that they should have accountability for buying the gun for him and not securing it.

If drawings were a crime then I would have been in jail a looooong time ago.  I know we live in a different world now too but it's hard to say what they could have done differently w him.

I am all for punishing people whom are careless w the storing of their firearms around children.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

it's hard to say what they could have done differently w him.

Off the top of my head, I would say buying the 15yo a gun and taking him to the shooting range are two things they could have done differently. Clearly he didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle it. 

Should have would have could have won’t bring those 4 dead teenagers back though. Maybe the Crumbleys being punished will inspire other parents to second guess giving their kids access to firearms if they aren’t ready for it… maybe save some lives, who knows. 

mace1229

I disagree with not being more proactive, but agree with the gun part. But the majority of articles I've seen or heard focus on the lack of support, and mention the gun as an after thought.
I just don't see how you can hold parents at a criminal level, at least in this example, of failing to provide more emotional support.

 even had a school meeting that day and the school let him stay, they didn't see him as a threat. From the article linked earlier:

"His parents declined to take him home, choosing instead to return to work and accepting a list of mental health providers. School staff said Ethan could stay on campus. A counselor, Shawn Hopkins, said he believed it would be safer for the boy than possibly being alone at home.

No one, however, checked Ethan’s backpack. He pulled the gun out later that day and killed four students — Tate Myre, Hana St. Juliana, Shilling and Baldwin — and wounded seven other people."

So parents can spend 15 years or more in prison for not acting on red flags, but those same red flags aren't enough to send a kid home for even 1 day or provide school support? That's the part not adding up for me.

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

I disagree with not being more proactive, but agree with the gun part. But the majority of articles I've seen or heard focus on the lack of support, and mention the gun as an after thought.
I just don't see how you can hold parents at a criminal level, at least in this example, of failing to provide more emotional support.

 even had a school meeting that day and the school let him stay, they didn't see him as a threat. From the article linked earlier:

"His parents declined to take him home, choosing instead to return to work and accepting a list of mental health providers. School staff said Ethan could stay on campus. A counselor, Shawn Hopkins, said he believed it would be safer for the boy than possibly being alone at home.

No one, however, checked Ethan’s backpack. He pulled the gun out later that day and killed four students — Tate Myre, Hana St. Juliana, Shilling and Baldwin — and wounded seven other people."

So parents can spend 15 years or more in prison for not acting on red flags, but those same red flags aren't enough to send a kid home for even 1 day or provide school support? That's the part not adding up for me.

Who gave the kid the gun and trained him how to use it? 

Who knew the kid had access to a gun when he was threatening to shoot up his school? 

This isn't rocket science here. 

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

I disagree with not being more proactive, but agree with the gun part. But the majority of articles I've seen or heard focus on the lack of support, and mention the gun as an after thought.
I just don't see how you can hold parents at a criminal level, at least in this example, of failing to provide more emotional support.

 even had a school meeting that day and the school let him stay, they didn't see him as a threat. From the article linked earlier:

"His parents declined to take him home, choosing instead to return to work and accepting a list of mental health providers. School staff said Ethan could stay on campus. A counselor, Shawn Hopkins, said he believed it would be safer for the boy than possibly being alone at home.

No one, however, checked Ethan’s backpack. He pulled the gun out later that day and killed four students — Tate Myre, Hana St. Juliana, Shilling and Baldwin — and wounded seven other people."

So parents can spend 15 years or more in prison for not acting on red flags, but those same red flags aren't enough to send a kid home for even 1 day or provide school support? That's the part not adding up for me.

Who gave the kid the gun and trained him how to use it? 

Who knew the kid had access to a gun when he was threatening to shoot up his school? 

This isn't rocket science here. 

trained?  hmmm, I think theres a big difference between training and just showing him how to pull the trigger or loading.  I doubt they did either. Can catch enough info in movies, games and online to be deadly.......

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Mace? what of this? AT TRIAL , she said this...... after he killed and wounded those kids.

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

I disagree with not being more proactive, but agree with the gun part. But the majority of articles I've seen or heard focus on the lack of support, and mention the gun as an after thought.
I just don't see how you can hold parents at a criminal level, at least in this example, of failing to provide more emotional support.

 even had a school meeting that day and the school let him stay, they didn't see him as a threat. From the article linked earlier:

"His parents declined to take him home, choosing instead to return to work and accepting a list of mental health providers. School staff said Ethan could stay on campus. A counselor, Shawn Hopkins, said he believed it would be safer for the boy than possibly being alone at home.

No one, however, checked Ethan’s backpack. He pulled the gun out later that day and killed four students — Tate Myre, Hana St. Juliana, Shilling and Baldwin — and wounded seven other people."

So parents can spend 15 years or more in prison for not acting on red flags, but those same red flags aren't enough to send a kid home for even 1 day or provide school support? That's the part not adding up for me.

Who gave the kid the gun and trained him how to use it? 

Who knew the kid had access to a gun when he was threatening to shoot up his school? 

This isn't rocket science here. 

trained?  hmmm, I think theres a big difference between training and just showing him how to pull the trigger or loading.  I doubt they did either. Can catch enough info in movies, games and online to be deadly.......

The mom took him to a shooting range after they got him a gun.

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

it's hard to say what they could have done differently w him.

Off the top of my head, I would say buying the 15yo a gun and taking him to the shooting range are two things they could have done differently. Clearly he didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle it. 

Should have would have could have won’t bring those 4 dead teenagers back though. Maybe the Crumbleys being punished will inspire other parents to second guess giving their kids access to firearms if they aren’t ready for it… maybe save some lives, who knows. 

I mentioned the gun already and agreed.  Taking him to a shooting range I don't have an issue with.  If you don't care for guns I can see why this is an issue.  Growing up around firearms this is a nonissue to me.  Seeing that the kid was in despair is another matter.

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

I disagree with not being more proactive, but agree with the gun part. But the majority of articles I've seen or heard focus on the lack of support, and mention the gun as an after thought.
I just don't see how you can hold parents at a criminal level, at least in this example, of failing to provide more emotional support.

 even had a school meeting that day and the school let him stay, they didn't see him as a threat. From the article linked earlier:

"His parents declined to take him home, choosing instead to return to work and accepting a list of mental health providers. School staff said Ethan could stay on campus. A counselor, Shawn Hopkins, said he believed it would be safer for the boy than possibly being alone at home.

No one, however, checked Ethan’s backpack. He pulled the gun out later that day and killed four students — Tate Myre, Hana St. Juliana, Shilling and Baldwin — and wounded seven other people."

So parents can spend 15 years or more in prison for not acting on red flags, but those same red flags aren't enough to send a kid home for even 1 day or provide school support? That's the part not adding up for me.

Who gave the kid the gun and trained him how to use it? 

Who knew the kid had access to a gun when he was threatening to shoot up his school? 

This isn't rocket science here. 

trained?  hmmm, I think theres a big difference between training and just showing him how to pull the trigger or loading.  I doubt they did either. Can catch enough info in movies, games and online to be deadly.......

The mom took him to a shooting range after they got him a gun.

The access i don't have a problem with.  You should be liable to secure your firearms.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

it's hard to say what they could have done differently w him.

Off the top of my head, I would say buying the 15yo a gun and taking him to the shooting range are two things they could have done differently. Clearly he didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle it. 

Should have would have could have won’t bring those 4 dead teenagers back though. Maybe the Crumbleys being punished will inspire other parents to second guess giving their kids access to firearms if they aren’t ready for it… maybe save some lives, who knows. 

I mentioned the gun already and agreed.  Taking him to a shooting range I don't have an issue with.  If you don't care for guns I can see why this is an issue.  Growing up around firearms this is a nonissue to me.  Seeing that the kid was in despair is another matter.

Giving this kid a gun and taking him to a shooting range paved the way for him to murder 4 of his classmates, but go off. 

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

it's hard to say what they could have done differently w him.

Off the top of my head, I would say buying the 15yo a gun and taking him to the shooting range are two things they could have done differently. Clearly he didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle it. 

Should have would have could have won’t bring those 4 dead teenagers back though. Maybe the Crumbleys being punished will inspire other parents to second guess giving their kids access to firearms if they aren’t ready for it… maybe save some lives, who knows. 

I mentioned the gun already and agreed.  Taking him to a shooting range I don't have an issue with.  If you don't care for guns I can see why this is an issue.  Growing up around firearms this is a nonissue to me.  Seeing that the kid was in despair is another matter.

Giving this kid a gun and taking him to a shooting range paved the way for him to murder 4 of his classmates, but go off. 

You know how many kids get hunting rifles that don't kill people?  I'd say wayyyy more than you'd be comfortable with.

Halifax2TheMax

Sure, “as Christians.” But let’s just not hold “responsible” gun owners “responsible” with the laws already on the books, right? Because that’s just too much to bear. Wonder if their viewpoint would be different if their loved one was in a box? As “Christians?”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/opinions/crumbley-verdict-school-shooting-michigan-mueller-rogerson/index.html

Halifax2TheMax

Sure, “as Christians.” But let’s just not hold “responsible” gun owners “responsible” with the laws already on the books, right? Because that’s just too much to bear. Wonder if their viewpoint would be different if their loved one was in a box? As “Christians?”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/opinions/crumbley-verdict-school-shooting-michigan-mueller-rogerson/index.html

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

it's hard to say what they could have done differently w him.

Off the top of my head, I would say buying the 15yo a gun and taking him to the shooting range are two things they could have done differently. Clearly he didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle it. 

Should have would have could have won’t bring those 4 dead teenagers back though. Maybe the Crumbleys being punished will inspire other parents to second guess giving their kids access to firearms if they aren’t ready for it… maybe save some lives, who knows. 

I mentioned the gun already and agreed.  Taking him to a shooting range I don't have an issue with.  If you don't care for guns I can see why this is an issue.  Growing up around firearms this is a nonissue to me.  Seeing that the kid was in despair is another matter.

Giving this kid a gun and taking him to a shooting range paved the way for him to murder 4 of his classmates, but go off. 

You know how many kids get hunting rifles that don't kill people?  I'd say wayyyy more than you'd be comfortable with.

You assume way too much.

I'm not anti-2a. I'm in favor of responsible gun ownership. This situation with the Crumbley's wasn't that & now 4 other families are paying the ultimate price for their shitty parenting and decision making. 

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

I disagree with not being more proactive, but agree with the gun part. But the majority of articles I've seen or heard focus on the lack of support, and mention the gun as an after thought.
I just don't see how you can hold parents at a criminal level, at least in this example, of failing to provide more emotional support.

 even had a school meeting that day and the school let him stay, they didn't see him as a threat. From the article linked earlier:

"His parents declined to take him home, choosing instead to return to work and accepting a list of mental health providers. School staff said Ethan could stay on campus. A counselor, Shawn Hopkins, said he believed it would be safer for the boy than possibly being alone at home.

No one, however, checked Ethan’s backpack. He pulled the gun out later that day and killed four students — Tate Myre, Hana St. Juliana, Shilling and Baldwin — and wounded seven other people."

So parents can spend 15 years or more in prison for not acting on red flags, but those same red flags aren't enough to send a kid home for even 1 day or provide school support? That's the part not adding up for me.

Who gave the kid the gun and trained him how to use it? 

Who knew the kid had access to a gun when he was threatening to shoot up his school? 

This isn't rocket science here. 

I saId I agree with holding them accountable on those aspects. But the media and courts seem to focus more on the lack of prevention more than the gun access as the reason for the charges. 

FiveBelow

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

The parents of Ethan Crumbley (School shooter who killed four students) get 10-15 years for involuntary manslaughter. 


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/crumbley-parents-face-school-shooting-victims-families-sentencing-rcna145902?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=66157074ded6e500010dcb15&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Even in the wake of their son having murdered 4 classmates, his mother still doesn't think there was a problem. 

"Asked about Ethan reporting hallucinations months before the shooting, Jennifer Crumbley, 46, told jurors he was simply “messing around.”"

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-at-least-10-years-in-prison/

Hindsight is a beautiful thing...  I can see the mom not thinking anything is wrong.  Nobody wants there to be something wrong w their child.

Writing is on the wall now...

Foresight's a beautiful thing too, of which there was plenty, and now they're going to jail for ignoring it. 

It is nice to see that accountability isn't a thing of the past in this country though... I was starting to have my doubts.  

it's hard to say what they could have done differently w him.

Off the top of my head, I would say buying the 15yo a gun and taking him to the shooting range are two things they could have done differently. Clearly he didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle it. 

Should have would have could have won’t bring those 4 dead teenagers back though. Maybe the Crumbleys being punished will inspire other parents to second guess giving their kids access to firearms if they aren’t ready for it… maybe save some lives, who knows. 

I mentioned the gun already and agreed.  Taking him to a shooting range I don't have an issue with.  If you don't care for guns I can see why this is an issue.  Growing up around firearms this is a nonissue to me.  Seeing that the kid was in despair is another matter.

Giving this kid a gun and taking him to a shooting range paved the way for him to murder 4 of his classmates, but go off. 

You know how many kids get hunting rifles that don't kill people?  I'd say wayyyy more than you'd be comfortable with.

You assume way too much.

I'm not anti-2a. I'm in favor of responsible gun ownership. This situation with the Crumbley's wasn't that & now 4 other families are paying the ultimate price for their shitty parenting and decision making. 

Now apply this same reasoning to our government and the 330+ million people their decisions affect. These 2 parents are being held accountable, seems logical to do the same in a 2 party system.

tbergs

Taking him to a range to (assumption here) know how to handle a firearm and shoot it should be part of any ownership/usage situation. Being responsible enough to then secure the firearm or remove access if your child doesn't have the maturity/mental health/wherewithal is another thing. Parents need to know there's a high accountability requirement. Unfortunately, once he's an adult we basically do nothing so the system is definitely broken. Maybe gun owning parents should be the ones demanding changes to these types of things, but I don't see that happening. No one wants to be held accountable or responsible, they just want the "right to bear arms" and leave the rest to happenstance.

Halifax2TheMax

Any anti-seatbelt folks on here? You might want to reconsider. Or get yourself a heater. All for not wearing a seatbelt.

Police fire 96 shots in 41 seconds, killing Black man during traffic stop

Dexter Reed’s mother remembers the last time she saw her son alive. “Mom, I’m going for a ride,” he told her, before heading out in the car that he had purchased just three days earlier.

Reed, 26, was killed that same day, when tactical-unit police officers fired 96 bullets at him within 41 seconds, according to Chicago’s Civilian Office of Police Accountability, or COPA, which investigates allegations of police misconduct and police shootings. “He was just riding around in his car,” Dexter’s mother, Nicole Banks, told Fox 32 Chicago on Tuesday, as she broke down in tears. “They killed him.”

COPA released video footage of the shooting Tuesday and said its investigation of the “officers’ use of deadly force” on March 21 remains ongoing. The Chicago Police Department told CNN that it was cooperating with COPA’s investigation and that it “cannot make a determination on this shooting until all the facts are known and this investigation has concluded.” The department did not immediately respond for a request for comment from The Washington Post.

According to COPA, police stopped Reed “for purportedly not wearing a seatbelt.” In several body-cam videos, multiple officers can be seen exiting an unmarked vehicle and surrounding Reed’s car, which had tinted windows.

The officers demand he unlock and open the door, and not to roll up the window.

“Upon stopping Mr. Reed, multiple officers surrounded his vehicle while giving verbal commands. When Mr. Reed did not comply with these commands, officers pointed their firearms at Mr. Reed,” COPA said.

Officers can be seen retreating as they ask Reed to exit the vehicle. Then, shots can be heard.

COPA said its review of the footage and initial reports “appear to confirm that Mr. Reed fired first,” hitting one officer while four others returned fire.

Reed can be seen staggering out of the vehicle before collapsing onto the road. As officers approach his motionless body, they can be heard telling Reed not to move. A pool of blood can be seen on the ground next to Reed as officers place him in handcuffs.

“Ultimately there was an exchange of gunfire which left Mr. Reed dead and an officer shot in the forearm,” COPA said, adding that a gun was recovered from the front passenger seat of Reed’s car.

Andrew M. Stroth, the family’s attorney, said Tuesday that the plainclothes officers “did not announce they were police officers.” The footage shows many officers in plainclothes, with some wearing vests with the word “police” on them.

According to COPA, police continued to shoot at Reed after he left his car and fell to the ground. The agency noted that Reed was “struck by gunfire multiple times and was transported to the hospital and later pronounced deceased.”

Stroth described Reed as a star athlete who “enjoyed playing hoops,” and loved to cook and spend time with his family. He called on Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson to “disband these tactical units that have been terrorizing communities.”

Johnson said Tuesday that he was aware the footage was “extremely painful and traumatic” and that the officers involved in the fatal shooting have been placed on a 30-day administrative leave.

“As mayor and as a father raising a family, including two Black boys on the west side of Chicago, I am personally devastated to see yet another young Black man lose his life during an interaction with the police,” Johnson said.

Johnson said that he had spoken with Reed’s family over the weekend and that he was committed to a “transparent” investigation.

Stroth called on Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx to “move swiftly to get justice” for the Reed family and said “the people of Chicago deserve to have awareness and full knowledge of police shootings.”

In a statement Tuesday, Foxx said “it is imperative that we let the investigation takes its course.” “Be assured, our commitment to finding justice for everyone involved is unwavering,” she said.

“If you didn’t stop my nephew, he will be alive today,” Reed’s uncle told CNN on Tuesday.

Reed’s death has once again reignited debate and anger over police brutality and excessive use of force in the United States, prompting protests outside a Chicago police station this week, with activists, residents and family members calling for justice.

There have been at least 9,497 fatal police shootings in the United States since 2015, according to The Post’s database. In the past 12 months, at least 1,116 people have been shot and killed by police.

Police killings of Black Americans including Tyre Nichols, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd have prompted protests and a racial reckoning that translated into hundreds of bills aimed at curtailing law enforcement powers and reshaping policing.

“How many more young Black and Brown men need to die before this city will change?” Stroth said.

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